praise_yeshua
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Emotions. Why do you insist they are relative to a distinct soul?
The Hypostatic Union- the 2 Natures in Christ
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Emotions. Why do you insist they are relative to a distinct soul?
GeneZ
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Did I just say that? Where?
praise_yeshua
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You said it was "under the rug"...
What distinction do you find in this pre-existing human soul of the "Lord"?
synergy
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It’s worth it for anyone who wishes to understand the heresies that underpin Arian/Nestorian thought patterns that are harbored by people like @GeneZ.
Therefore, since it’s obvious that @GeneZ is avoiding my questions like the plague and to expose Arianism/Nestorianism for all to see, I’ll go ahead and answer the questions from a Trinitarian point of view.
Question #1: Did Jesus (the God Person) experienced "spiritual death"?
Of course not! How can a God Person experience “spiritual death”. Only pagan gods experience that. The Nestorian god may be a pagan god but our God is not a pagan god and cannot spiritually die.
Question #2: Did God the Father forsake the God Person of Jesus on the Cross?
Of course not! How can God the Father forsake God the Son? That would rupture the Trinity. For Nestorians to believe that a rupture within the Trinity can happen means that they definitely believe in pagan gods, not the Trinity. The Greek pagan gods often forsook each other and that's where Arians/Nestorians got their beliefs from. The Bible further shows that the Persons within the Trinity do not behave like the Nestorian pagan gods (John 16:32, Psalms 22:24)
Question #3: Was the bread temptation was an attempt by the devil to stop Jesus from being a man now that @GeneZ agreed that Jesus is always a One God Person, and not a Schizophrenic Dual Personality God & Human Person?
Of course not! How can the God Person Jesus stop from being a human person when he was never a human person to begin with?!? Being a human person in addition to a God Person, as Nestorians propose, would mean that Jesus is a Schizophrenic Dual Personality God & Human Person. See the utter mind-blowing blasphemy and illogic that Nestorians must employ to propagate their heresies. Unbelievable!
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Rockson
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I guess I'd like to know how they collected their data for this? Did they go to actual churches or just on line people claiming to be evangelical. To some on line evangelical just means they believe God exist and like things kind of lively.
It wouldn't shock me though. Since my early years I've seen a shift on why people even go to church. They many times like lively music.....they like the group of people to have friends and sometimes the Bible studies the Pastors do have they don't go. I think too I've seen a shift were a great many just want phycological fluff from the pulpits.
Good little teachings on how to be a positive person and to be encouraged. I don't even mind that at say a small percentage of 5% there is some value of knowing how your mind should work to respond to things. But 95% of teaching should be connected to real solid things of spiritual reality and to understand your inheritance in Christ. If 95 % is fluff then what will you produce?
When solid scriptural teachings aren't the focus but rather just stuff on how to be positive you can come to the place of wondering just why it it is important to believe in the deity of Christ. What you do to be optimistic should be enough to live a fulfilled life. Of course it isn't. It leaves one with an empty spirit because you don't have God really working in your life.
GeneZ
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Sir I am not avoiding anything. In my posts, if read, will show you have a deficiency in being truthful.
And, no. Lying about me does not upset me. I requested to start a thread dedicated to discuss it.
I have been around people a few times in my life that took pleasure in lying and hurting others....
I hope in your case you are just suffering from a misunderstanding of what was said.
You presume too much. That is why you think I was avoiding. You do not pose a threat to me.
The thing that does bother me is how you can not grasp what is said. And, then find ways to distort it to mean nothing as I intended...
I know Jesus Christ has been watching this little spat you have been having with me. I know He is not confused as to what I am saying.
Only you and Civic have been and take pleasure in distorting what I say. Some others have not and prove you wrong in doing so....
Have a nice Day...
GeneZ
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Arius taught that Jesus Christ was divine/holy and was sent to earth for the salvation of mankind but that Jesus Christ was not equal to God the Father (infinite, primordial origin) in rank and that God the Father and the Son of God were not equal to the Holy Spirit."
Well Synergy...
I never believed that.
So stop lying about me.
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GeneZ
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Nestorianism is the Christian doctrine that Jesus existed as two persons, the man Jesus and the divine Son of God, or Logos, rather than as a unified person.
There you go again, Synergy,
I do not believe that.
If you want to keep lying about me?
Its going to prove I am not the one with a problem in thinking here...
You want to learn what I believe? Or, does lying about me to knock me down to make you feel secure with yourself?
synergy
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Listen. You already agreed that you're not an Arian nor a Nestorian according to the definitions I forwarded. So then I kindly asked that you answer 3 simple questions. I asked you at least 5 times..You ran away from doing so each and every time like the plague. I'm not into rabbit holes so I answered them for the audience's enlightenment. Again, you are now given another chance to reply and all you can offer are Ad Hominem replies with no substance. The floor is yours again. Where exactly in my statements am I "lying"? My statements are right in front of you. Tell me exactly where. Focus. Of course you can attempt to change the subject in order to play the rabbit holes game but I'm not into rabbit holes. I'm simply asking you to focus on what we communicated and on what you agreed to already. I'd hate to classify you as one who vaccilates on what he has agreed to already. Now for the umpteenth time, will you answer my questions or not or will you keep avoiding them like the plague? If you continue to avoid them then the audience will understand that my answers will stand as the absolute and true answers to my questions.
Johann
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Sad to hear this.
GeneZ
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They act like they are a closed off, small community, that is suspicious of strangers, yet opens up their town on the internet.
Synergy makes me feel I feel like I am being greeted with a welcoming committee holding shot guns.
Then he accuses me of wanting to run away when I have no idea how he defines certain words, yet demands I tell him what I think it means.
I wish to establish first what he thinks of what he means by the terms he uses so I can relate to what he is asking.
He thinks I am avoiding to answer. I want to answer when knowing what he means by the terms he uses.
So far, he is a hostile welcoming committee, and Civic seems to approve. Not a good combination.
Yet, I believe there could be good communication established if he would just learn to trust God and put down his Remington.
GeneZ
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Just shut up, please. Be still. And know He is God.
I am waiting for you to stop being so *&%$ suspicious and ready to pull the trigger if I should slip up and not be thinking with the same definitions as you arrogantly assume are universally accepted by all.
Learn a little hospitality. Its Christian, you know.
I have been around a few hostile Christians who can be very nasty people. So, its not that I am being cautious with you without reason.
Johann
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I have him on ignore.
I have listen to the video clip on Isaiah 53 brother-I want to know more.
Stay strong in Christ
Johann.
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synergy
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You're the one who is telling me to "shut up" and I'm the one who needs to "learn a little hospitality"!?!? Once again you're projecting your abusive traits to me.
Listen. I refuse to "shut up" whenever my Lord is being blasphemed. It's not going to happen.
Excellent! Now that you reconfirmed that you're not a Nestorian, would you mind answering my 3 questions? If you once again choose to run away from them then the audience will continue to know that my answers do stand as the absolute and true answers to those 3 questions.
synergy
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Putting people on ignore.
Telling people to "shut up".
Running away from simple questions.
It's as if I'm talking to Calvinists here.
GeneZ
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I don't want to talk with you to prove anything.
For, I do not think you really want to UNDERSTAND the Word of God,
but want to set up a little throne of your own in this forum to call the shots
and to shoot down anyone who does not conform to your dictates.
I do seem rude to you, because I try to be all things to all men,,,
I agree Johann has the right idea.
You are on Ignore.
With others I will discuss what is to be discussed as long as they do not reveal a strong streak of self righteousness.
Why should you need answers for what is a simple question?
Good bye!
GeneZ
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To those who find it difficult to understand where my thinking rests in regards to the Trinity?
I don't base it on having to agree with creeds. For I am able to study the Word of God on my own and from men who are mature to teach with accuracy.. Not from the KJV, or English translations that will often times obscure the exactness of the meaning of words.
Here is an example of two passages that those who were trying to attack my position could not explain without garbling their thoughts:
He withdrew about a stone’s throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed, “Father,
You do realize that God can not have a will opposed to God? So is Jesus being God, is only God? (as some here keep pressing home)
Then he went down to Nazareth with them and was obedient to them.
God can not grow in wisdom, nor in favor with God. So Jesus must have two different natures in union, one being God.
The Son of God. He is now manifested as both human and God in one system of thought designed to communicate God to man,
in the fullness of power of Deity!
To qualify to die in the place of all men he needed to make himself become as a man.
To do so, he volunteered to deny Himself of his right to be as God in power, and humbled
himself to restrict himself to functioning to be within the limits of what a man would be.
So!
What is to be?
Creeds that do not explain why they give their conclusions?
Or.. the Word of God?
I rest my case!
I don't base it on having to agree with creeds. For I am able to study the Word of God on my own and from men who are mature to teach with accuracy.. Not from the KJV, or English translations that will often times obscure the exactness of the meaning of words.
Here is an example of two passages that those who were trying to attack my position could not explain without garbling their thoughts:
He withdrew about a stone’s throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed, “Father,
if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” Luke 22:41-42
You do realize that God can not have a will opposed to God? So is Jesus being God, is only God? (as some here keep pressing home)
Then he went down to Nazareth with them and was obedient to them.
But his mother treasured all these things in her heart. And Jesus grew
in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man." Luke 2:51-52
God can not grow in wisdom, nor in favor with God. So Jesus must have two different natures in union, one being God.
The Son of God. He is now manifested as both human and God in one system of thought designed to communicate God to man,
in the fullness of power of Deity!
To qualify to die in the place of all men he needed to make himself become as a man.
To do so, he volunteered to deny Himself of his right to be as God in power, and humbled
himself to restrict himself to functioning to be within the limits of what a man would be.
Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
rather, he made himself nothing/but emptied himself
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
rather, he made himself nothing/but emptied himself
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross! Philippians 2:6-8
being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross! Philippians 2:6-8
So!
What is to be?
Creeds that do not explain why they give their conclusions?
Or.. the Word of God?
I rest my case!
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GeneZ
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Is God a person?
Yes, God is a person, but He is not a human being as most of us would assume a "person" to be.By "person," we mean that God is a self-aware rational Being with a personality. Some theologians
have defined personhood as "an individual being with a mind, emotions, and a will." In this case,
God is definitely a person.
https://www.compellingtruth.org/is-God-a-person.html
My sentiments perfectly expressed!
Johann
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Stay strong brother.
Johann
praise_yeshua
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This world is full of complainers that can't defend their beliefs.
Contrary to what you may believe.... all of us disagree at some time or another on what we feel are significant areas in our theology. We all do. I've stopped arguing some of the points being made because I don't care to keep making enemies over something others obviously don't understand.
Synergy isn't the problem here. It is the ramifications of topic that you have an issue with.
