praise_yeshua
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Pom Poms out. Cheerleaders "rooting" for their team.
Playing the martyr is a common tactic when dealing with a losing position.
The Hypostatic Union- the 2 Natures in Christ
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Pom Poms out. Cheerleaders "rooting" for their team.
Playing the martyr is a common tactic when dealing with a losing position.
I've been reading through the thread and thinking on what has been said. It seems to me the problem lies in considering Jesus as a human person. It was asked "is Jesus a human person?" ... Well, no He's not but during the Incarnation He was made to be as a human person. He had to be made like us in every way therefore he had to be made as if He was not God even though He is. In that sense, Jesus is a human person for all intents and purposes while on Earth.
Hebrews 2:17
Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.
That can only be true if He was made to be as a human person.
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GeneZ
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Hebrews 2:17 would have been IMPOSSIBLE if He had not succeeded to make Himself fully like a man.
Another impossibility would be the following verse if He had in fact remained functioning as God while here on earth.....
“For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin” (Heb. 4:15).
They can not get it through their heads that He REALLY is two natures in Union....
They keep wanting to make His humanity into God. But His Deity is God, not His humanity without being in union with His Deity.
His Humanity has been eternally delegated by the Father to manifest all aspects and powers of Deity possible by His Humanity, making His humanity into all the God we could ever know or comprehend. For to see Jesus in His Glory is to be seeing God in a way we as humans can see God! (John 1:18)
grace and peace!
civic
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Several problems here with this view. Christ has a human will and a Divine will, He has 2 natures.
Now another problem, well several problems which I will list.
Natures do not sin- People sin, a Person sins.
Natures do not die, people die, persons die.
Natures do not get tempted, people are tempted.
Jesus Person is Divine as the Son, the 2nd Person of the Trinity who is Impeccable.
GeneZ
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Not one chapter and verse?
Natures do not get tempted.
Yet the fallen nature can cause temptations!
Romans 7:18-19
For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me,
but how to perform what is good I do not find. For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but
the evil I will not to do, that I practice.
People who are tempted do have natures that give added impulses to sin. .
Only by walking in the Spirit will they overcome this defect they were born into.
OK....
So you say natures do not die? Oh YES THEY DO!
That is why our bodies must die and with our same soul receive a perfect resurrection body.
In the mean while? Lets see what you diverted away from again for the umpteenth time..
He withdrew about a stone’s throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed, “Father,
if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” Luke 22:41-42
Then he went down to Nazareth with them and was obedient to them.
But his mother treasured all these things in her heart. And Jesus grew
in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man." Luke 2:51-52
You may keep on running, boy...
But they will still be here in the morning.
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civic
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Not one chapter and verse.....
Go back to sleep, please.
Or, wake up, whatever the case may be.
civic
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More Kenosis heresy
civic
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like I said no sin nature there either you are still adding to scripture like your father Augustine did we it his false teaching he invented with a sin nature. People sin not natures. You sound like Adam who blamed Eve for his own choice to sin making an excuse.
hope this helps !!!
GeneZ
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More Kenosis heresy
The term kenosis refers to the doctrine of Christ’s “self-emptying” in His incarnation. The word comes from the Greek of Philippians 2:7, which says that Jesus “emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men” (ESV). The word translated “emptied” is a form of kenoó, from which we get the word kenosis.
Here! Get some of this and
open your Bible to Philippians 2:7!Many translations are heretical!
https://biblehub.com/philippians/2-7.htm
civic
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No I’m talking about the heresy of Kenosis . Still dodging the issue I see. Your Jesus stripped His deity from himself on earth. He acted only as a human nature and not a Divine Person.
GeneZ
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civic
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That’s what Nestorious taught He was a human person which is heretical.
civic
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If you can’t support your arguments from scripture that’s on you. I can support mine with scripture and don’t need my pastors sermons to defend my beliefs. I have 66 books to defend mine.
GeneZ
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GeneZ
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Very good, little boy!If you can’t support your arguments from scripture that’s on you. I can support mine with scripture and don’t need my pastors sermons to defend my beliefs. I have 66 books to defend mine.
GeneZ
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Try using those books for once and not resorting to broad brushing by citing creeds that you keep abusing.If you can’t support your arguments from scripture that’s on you. I can support mine with scripture and don’t need my pastors sermons to defend my beliefs. I have 66 books to defend mine.
Then Heb.2:17 is a lie. He didn't become as a man during the Incarnation. Either that or we are all divine persons.
And Nestorious taught He was two persons. I'm saying for a limited time only He limited Himself to being as a human person. There is a difference.
synergy
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You bring up an interesting verse. Heb 2:17 says that He had to be made like His Brethren, not as His Brethren. So Christ is not as human as us, Although He starts to possess complete human nature (body and soul) at His Incarnation, He never assumes a human person because He is already a Divine Person, the Uncreated Word of God. Hence, Heb 2:17 vaporizes Nestorianism.
synergy
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You set yourself up too easily to be ridiculed as a Nestorian.I am getting to like this Nestorius guy.
Christ did self-empty himself functionally to a level of a servant, not ontologically to the level of stripping himself of His Divine Personhood. He cannot cease to be the Person He is, the Uncreated Word of God.
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