The Hypostatic Union- the 2 Natures in Christ

[civic]

You're evading the question I asked you by asking me a question instead.

Even if I cannot answer that does not make your question simply go away, it's a cheap debate trick.

But yes, there are a lot of Scriptural references to death as spiritual actually.

It is called the Second Death in Scripture, because it is the real and actual death of which the physical represents.

Anyway, I've come to see you as a dishonest interlocutor, so I will wait for someone with real interest and integrity to respond.

Do you have scripture that says

“ spiritual death “ ???????

End of discussion

you are much more calvinist in your thinking then you lead us to believe. this is just another example where you line up as a calvinist.

spiritual death is synonymous with total depravity and original sin, guilt

READERS BEWARE- the second death happens in the future after the final resurrection at the GWT Judgment.

There is no 2nd death until then.

end of discussion once again

hope this helps !!!

 

[FreeInChrist]

Exactly!

Go back to GOD.

No separation, no cessation.

Back to GOD, either his glory or his wrath.

As would have been the case, even if ever so briefly, for Christ Jesus. Yes?

 

[Dizerner]

As would have been the case, even if ever so briefly, for Christ Jesus. Yes?

That's exactly right.

Jesus took what we deserved for us!

 

[civic]

That's exactly right.

Jesus took what we deserved for us!

Nothing penal

 

[Runningman]

Hypostatic Union


1. Jesus is a person. (1 Tim 2:5)

2. Jesus, the Person, has two natures- Divine and human (John 1:1, 14, 1 Timothy 3:16): Divine and human. This is the Hypostatic Union.( Col 2:9, Heb 1:3,2:16)

3. The Communicatio Idiomatum (Communication of the Properties) states that the attributes of His Divine nature and human nature are both ascribed to the one Person of Jesus, the Divine Son who is the 2nd Person of the Trinity. So Jesus can exhibit attributes of Divinity (Omnipresence, Omniscience, Omnipotence, . John 2:23, 3:13, 8:58, He was prayed to in Acts 7:59, John 14:13, He was is worshiped Matt 2:2:11, Rev 5:13-14) and at the same time exhibit attributes of His humanity( He was tempted, ate, prayed,wept, grew in wisdom and stature,was anointed,was baptized, the Father was greater, didn’t know the day or the hour of His Return, He cried My God my God why has Thou forsaken Me, He died etc.). The communicatio idiomatum does not mean that any part of the Divine nature was communicated to the human nature. The Creed of Chalcedon declares that : “in two natures, without confusion, without change, without division, without separation, the distinction of natures being by no means taken away by the union, but rather the property of each nature being preserved, and concurring in one persona and one subsistence, not parted or divided into two person, but one and the same Son, and only begotten, God the Word, the Lord Jesus Christ.

4. The Man(anthropos) Jesus is what we perceive (if we were there 2000 years ago in Israel) and through the Man we encounter the Divine nature (Jesus knowing all things, is on earth while in heaven, answers prayer, forgiving sins, etc.).

5. The Person of Jesus will always be both Divine and human. (John 1:1,14,20:28, 1 John 5:20, 1 Timothy 2:5) Those who deny this fact are the spirit of antichrist. (1 John 4:1-4,2 John 7)

6. The Divine Nature is within the Trinity.(Father, Son and Holy Spirit)

7. Since the Person of Jesus claims the attributes of Divinity(John 3:13,8:58,Matthew 9:2,12:8), then the Person of Jesus is a member of the Trinity.( John 14-16, Math 28:19)

Anything said of either of Christ's two natures applies to the one Person of Christ, so that is how it is said that Christ died on the cross. The term "hypostatic union" refers to the two natures united in the one Person, so anything said of those two natures in the one Person applies to the whole Person. So we see that the Person of Christ is both God and man. The phrase hypostatic union was adopted by the general council at Chalcedon 451 AD. That council declared that the union of two natures is real (against Arius), not a mere indwelling of God in a man (against Nestorius), with a rational soul (against Apollinaris), and that in Christ’s Divine nature remains unchanged (against Eutyches).

We need to look to the Monothelite Controversy which had to deal with whether there was one or two wills/minds in the person of Christ. The outcome was that there were two; one human and one divine with the human subjected to the divine. The eternal Son of God did not assume a part of a human nature without a mind, without a will, without human activity, but He assumed all the things that were planted in our nature by God.

Now then, to act (or in this case, speak) is the work of a person, but the form or nature is the cause of this action; for each person acts in accord with the form or nature which it has. A difference in causes (natures) produces a difference in effects (actions). Therefore, where there are different natures, there are also different activities. So in the one Person of Christ there are two natural actions, the divine and the human, each of which has its own essential attributes, functions, and actions. Jesus was thirty years old according to His human nature (Luke 3:23); according to His divine nature He could say: "Before Abraham was born, I am" (John 8:58). The question is did both natures know this and communicate it to the Person. The answer is yes because the divine nature with its corresponding divine will willed the human nature to respond in such a fashion in keeping with Christ's office and ministry. In the text regarding Mark 13:32, we have a slightly different situation here. Christ is acting (speaking) from His human nature, but, this time, the divine will does not allow the human will access to this knowledge. For this information is not to be published on earth. Therefore, as man, Christ cannot answer the question. In the works pertaining to the office of Christ as Prophet, Priest, and King both natures act in conjunction with each other, each nature doing what is peculiar to the same. The book of Hebrews goes into great detail with these offices.

hope this helps !!!

All you have done, just like anyone can do about any other heresy, is provide a list of reasons to attach to your beliefs without having provided a Scriptural premise for the hypostatic union in the first place. No one in the Bible ever stated, explained, or described what your conclusions are.

Means you have provided your interpretation of what the Bible says, which is the same thing that Mormons and Scientologists do, rather than quote any statements about Jesus being a hypostatic union in the first place. You guys are fractured into tens of thousands of denominations and have tons of doctrines about what you believe, but no actual Scripture that states what your beliefs are.

Quoting verses and saying it means a hypostatic union isn't how Scripture works. It's also worth noting that most of your points apply to regular people. Watch this.

1. Jesus is a single person (1 Timothy 2:5) yet all humans are a single person with a physical body and immaterial spirit (1 Thess. 5:23, Heb. 4:12, Gen. 2:7)​

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2. Jesus has two natures, both divine and human (John 1:1, 14, Col. 2:9, Heb. 2:16) and you claim that means Jesus is both God and man. However, all humans have a human nature and can also have a divine nature (Gen, 1:26-27, 2 Peter 1:4, Psalm 82:6, John 10:34-35) Therefore, if one were to follow your line of reasoning, you have just provided an argument that humans are God because of their dual nature.​

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3. "The Communicatio Idiomatum (Communication of the Properties) states that the attributes of His Divine nature and human nature are both ascribed to the one Person of Jesus" which essentially means that Jesus exhibits divine traits (omnipresence, omniscience, worship) and human traits (hunger, growth, death). However, the very same things can be said of regular people. Jesus taught his disciples that the Holy Spirit would teach them "all things" in John 14:26 which would be omniscience. Moses performed miracles (Ex. 7-12, Numbers 12:3) yet was a human. Elijah called down fire from heaven yet was a man (1 Kings 18:38, James 5:17). Paul also had divine revelations yet had human weaknessnes like Jesus (2 Cor. 12:2-4, 2 Cor. 12:7) and believers can forgive sins (John 20:23, Matthew 9:4-8) judge (1 Cor. 6:3) and do greater works than Jesus (John 14:12)​

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4. You said the man Jesus reveals the divine nature. What an odd thing to say since Adam was in the image of God (Gen. 1:27) and Moses' face shined with divine glory (Ex. 34:29-35) and belivers are called to reflect God's glory (2 Cor. 3:18, Matthew 5:14-16)​

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5. You said Jesus is forever both divine and human (1 Tim. 2:5, Hebrews 7:24) however the same thing applies to the resurrected saints because they are given glorified bodies (1 Cor. 15:42-44) and live forever (Luke 20:36) and will be divine like God (1John 3:2)​

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6. You are essentially claiming that Jesus' divine nature is relational to what you called the "Father, Son, Spirit" but humans are also called into that very same oneness with God (John 17:21-23, 1 Cor. 6:17) and the Spirit dwells in believers, too, making them one spirit with God, just like Jesus (1 Cor. 3:16, 6:19)​

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7. Your final claim was the Jesus had two wills (human subject to divine) but that is not any different than a regular believers (Romans 7:15-23, Matthew 26:39, James 4:7)​

So I hope what you realized is that anyone can do what you're doing. Just like how you found verses that you claim make Jesus God, I also found explicit pararells that state the same exact thing about believers, yet they are not God. So you really have not provided any sort of convincing argument here. However, I hope you realize what this all truly means. It means Jesus is our example of what we can attain.

 

[civic]

All you have done, just like anyone can do about any other heresy, is provide a list of reasons to attach to your beliefs without having provided a Scriptural premise for the hypostatic union in the first place. No one in the Bible ever stated, explained, or described what your conclusions are.

Means you have provided your interpretation of what the Bible says, which is the same thing that Mormons and Scientologists do, rather than quote any statements about Jesus being a hypostatic union in the first place. You guys are fractured into tens of thousands of denominations and have tons of doctrines about what you believe, but no actual Scripture that states what your beliefs are.

Quoting verses and saying it means a hypostatic union isn't how Scripture works. It's also worth noting that most of your points apply to regular people. Watch this.

1. Jesus is a single person (1 Timothy 2:5) yet all humans are a single person with a physical body and immaterial spirit (1 Thess. 5:23, Heb. 4:12, Gen. 2:7)​

​

2. Jesus has two natures, both divine and human (John 1:1, 14, Col. 2:9, Heb. 2:16) and you claim that means Jesus is both God and man. However, all humans have a human nature and can also have a divine nature (Gen, 1:26-27, 2 Peter 1:4, Psalm 82:6, John 10:34-35) Therefore, if one were to follow your line of reasoning, you have just provided an argument that humans are God because of their dual nature.​

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3. "The Communicatio Idiomatum (Communication of the Properties) states that the attributes of His Divine nature and human nature are both ascribed to the one Person of Jesus" which essentially means that Jesus exhibits divine traits (omnipresence, omniscience, worship) and human traits (hunger, growth, death). However, the very same things can be said of regular people. Jesus taught his disciples that the Holy Spirit would teach them "all things" in John 14:26 which would be omniscience. Moses performed miracles (Ex. 7-12, Numbers 12:3) yet was a human. Elijah called down fire from heaven yet was a man (1 Kings 18:38, James 5:17). Paul also had divine revelations yet had human weaknessnes like Jesus (2 Cor. 12:2-4, 2 Cor. 12:7) and believers can forgive sins (John 20:23, Matthew 9:4-8) judge (1 Cor. 6:3) and do greater works than Jesus (John 14:12)​

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4. You said the man Jesus reveals the divine nature. What an odd thing to say since Adam was in the image of God (Gen. 1:27) and Moses' face shined with divine glory (Ex. 34:29-35) and belivers are called to reflect God's glory (2 Cor. 3:18, Matthew 5:14-16)​

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5. You said Jesus is forever both divine and human (1 Tim. 2:5, Hebrews 7:24) however the same thing applies to the resurrected saints because they are given glorified bodies (1 Cor. 15:42-44) and live forever (Luke 20:36) and will be divine like God (1John 3:2)​

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6. You are essentially claiming that Jesus' divine nature is relational to what you called the "Father, Son, Spirit" but humans are also called into that very same oneness with God (John 17:21-23, 1 Cor. 6:17) and the Spirit dwells in believers, too, making them one spirit with God, just like Jesus (1 Cor. 3:16, 6:19)​

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7. Your final claim was the Jesus had two wills (human subject to divine) but that is not any different than a regular believers (Romans 7:15-23, Matthew 26:39, James 4:7)​

So I hope what you realized is that anyone can do what you're doing. Just like how you found verses that you claim make Jesus God, I also found explicit pararells that state the same exact thing about believers, yet they are not God. So you really have not provided any sort of convincing argument here. However, I hope you realize what this all truly means. It means Jesus is our example of what we can attain.

Ye will be gods are you a Mormon ?

You can attain Deity.

Yikes

 

[e v e]

Umm, I would like to offer another thought or two on this.

Two things....

First~ I Peter 3: 18-20 talks of Jrsus' decent.

18 having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;

(not gonna quote from your esaus corrupt version, only that much)

the evil realm esaus put Him to death in the
flesh body of their type ugly nature

of this earth.

God did not do such a ugly evil thing.

also esau lies here. no need christ be made 'alive'

pathetic corrupt text.

 

[e v e]

Ye will be gods are you a Mormon ?

You can attain Deity.

Yikes

understand Nature.

everything growing on this earth is IN fallen nature, not God's

everything in eden after He restores us to His type nature has His signature

deity is a nature not a synonym for God.
This is why the sons can rule with Christ


i know the lds though believe in the nature here in the fallen satanic physicality is somehow made by God (gross and wrong!) so their view of (satanic) nature is not related to what i write above.

 

[e v e]

nature in eden is of the type of attributes and mind and physicality that has its Being Given by God. perfect , no death , love.

this realm we are in lacks His signature. everything dies. it's the Death realm adam chose.

only His souls to be saved out of here are OF Him. not the flesh body...

 

[Runningman]

Ye will be gods are you a Mormon ?

You can attain Deity.

Yikes

Total evasion of and a complete misrepresentation of what I said.

 

[e v e]

All you have done, just like anyone can do about any other heresy, is provide a list of reasons to attach to your beliefs without having provided a Scriptural premise for the hypostatic union in the first place. No one in the Bible ever stated, explained, or described what your conclusions are.

Means you have provided your interpretation of what the Bible says, which is the same thing that Mormons and Scientologists do, rather than quote any statements about Jesus being a hypostatic union in the first place. You guys are fractured into tens of thousands of denominations and have tons of doctrines about what you believe, but no actual Scripture that states what your beliefs are.

Quoting verses and saying it means a hypostatic union isn't how Scripture works. It's also worth noting that most of your points apply to regular people. Watch this.

1. Jesus is a single person (1 Timothy 2:5) yet all humans are a single person with a physical body and immaterial spirit (1 Thess. 5:23, Heb. 4:12, Gen. 2:7)​

​

2. Jesus has two natures, both divine and human (John 1:1, 14, Col. 2:9, Heb. 2:16) and you claim that means Jesus is both God and man. However, all humans have a human nature and can also have a divine nature (Gen, 1:26-27, 2 Peter 1:4, Psalm 82:6, John 10:34-35) Therefore, if one were to follow your line of reasoning, you have just provided an argument that humans are God because of their dual nature.​

​

3. "The Communicatio Idiomatum (Communication of the Properties) states that the attributes of His Divine nature and human nature are both ascribed to the one Person of Jesus" which essentially means that Jesus exhibits divine traits (omnipresence, omniscience, worship) and human traits (hunger, growth, death). However, the very same things can be said of regular people. Jesus taught his disciples that the Holy Spirit would teach them "all things" in John 14:26 which would be omniscience. Moses performed miracles (Ex. 7-12, Numbers 12:3) yet was a human. Elijah called down fire from heaven yet was a man (1 Kings 18:38, James 5:17). Paul also had divine revelations yet had human weaknessnes like Jesus (2 Cor. 12:2-4, 2 Cor. 12:7) and believers can forgive sins (John 20:23, Matthew 9:4-8) judge (1 Cor. 6:3) and do greater works than Jesus (John 14:12)​

​

4. You said the man Jesus reveals the divine nature. What an odd thing to say since Adam was in the image of God (Gen. 1:27) and Moses' face shined with divine glory (Ex. 34:29-35) and belivers are called to reflect God's glory (2 Cor. 3:18, Matthew 5:14-16)​

​

5. You said Jesus is forever both divine and human (1 Tim. 2:5, Hebrews 7:24) however the same thing applies to the resurrected saints because they are given glorified bodies (1 Cor. 15:42-44) and live forever (Luke 20:36) and will be divine like God (1John 3:2)​

​

6. You are essentially claiming that Jesus' divine nature is relational to what you called the "Father, Son, Spirit" but humans are also called into that very same oneness with God (John 17:21-23, 1 Cor. 6:17) and the Spirit dwells in believers, too, making them one spirit with God, just like Jesus (1 Cor. 3:16, 6:19)​

​

7. Your final claim was the Jesus had two wills (human subject to divine) but that is not any different than a regular believers (Romans 7:15-23, Matthew 26:39, James 4:7)​

So I hope what you realized is that anyone can do what you're doing. Just like how you found verses that you claim make Jesus God, I also found explicit pararells that state the same exact thing about believers, yet they are not God. So you really have not provided any sort of convincing argument here. However, I hope you realize what this all truly means. It means Jesus is our example of what we can attain.

it's like this. God's Spirit is a feminine being. The greek type of oneness fails to get this... Gets bent out of shape just thinking of it. Augustine Hated female. Formed his theology to fit his own pagan greek training. Oversaw and was in charge of catholic theology. No this has nothing to do with any silly mary worship concept.

But in Irenaeus' sweet view of trinity God's Spirit and Christ are His Hands. Then we have two gorgeous Hands of God representing all the daughters by His Spirit and all the sons by Christ in their image, male and female. Yes they are in Him and are deity. He is God and they are His Hands.

Then instead of the current all male club based on aristotelian substance - augustine's version (and he was sign-off on vatican theology that the protestant branch of the catholic tree continues with today!) - we can see God's family as of His archetype and not a weird person pretzel based on kabalah and greek theology - both of which are rooted in ancient egypt and God's enemy.

Thus He is a being, His Spirit is a Being, His son is a being. They are one. How can hands be separated from His Being. They cannot.

What was stolen at the fall was our original nature given by God... thus our deity, His nature as actual sons and daughters in eden where His signature was on everything of His and therefore yes we as His temple then before the fall . Not creatures, not adopted ape humans. His family of whom the satanic realm was so jealous and all of us imprisoned. Certainly now in this 98% ape body we are not a temple - this is the flesh we are imprisoned in that wars God.

The rapture is restoration to Him and Eden, all imbued with His nature.

The 144k will be restored to their glorious original nature. Which christ made possible to happen. Plead Christ it be now and He return to save us from this place of which He said I am not from here.

 

[Dizerner]

The above is not Biblical Christianity.

 

[civic]

Because of the Truth of the two natures, we can Biblically say:24

• a. Christ is infinite OR Christ is finite. He existed from all eternity OR He was born in Bethlehem
  b. He was omniscient OR He was limited in knowledge
  c. He is David's Lord YET David's son
  d. He is the Ancient of Days YET He was born as an infant
  e. He is God over all YET He is the son of Mary
  f. He upholds all things YET He is weary with His journey
  g. Without Him was nothing made that was made YET He can do nothing without the Father
  h. His natural form is the form of God YET He takes on Him the form of a servant
  i. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever, YET He increases in stature
  j. He Knows the Father perfectly YET He increases in wisdom
  k. In His own name, he gives a new and more perfect law and proclaims Himself Lord of the Sabbath and greater than the temple, YET He is born under the law and is subject to the law
  l. He is the Prince of Peace YET His souls is troubled
  m. He is King of Kings and Lord of Lords, YET He goes to death at the order of a Roman governor
  n. He is with us always unto the end of the world, YET The disciples saw Him being received into heaven out of their sight.

We could probably go through the entire 26 letters of the alphabet

hope this helps !!!

 

[FreeInChrist]

(not gonna quote from your esaus corrupt version, only that much)

the evil realm esaus put Him to death in the
flesh body of their type ugly nature

of this earth.

God did not do such a ugly evil thing.

also esau lies here. no need christ be made 'alive'

pathetic corrupt text.

I have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about.

Do you understand why there was a crucifixion? Do you know that it was decided between them before Jesus was born?
Do you know that without our savior's shed blood we would NOT be saved. that He was our sacrificial lamb?

pathetic corrupt text?

Take your pick.

New International Version
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit.

New Living Translation
Christ suffered for our sins once for all time. He never sinned, but he died for sinners to bring you safely home to God. He suffered physical death, but he was raised to life in the Spirit.

English Standard Version
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit,

Berean Standard Bible
For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit,

Berean Literal Bible
because Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, so that He might bring you to God, having been put to death indeed in the flesh, but having been made alive in the spirit,

King James Bible
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

New King James Version
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit,

New American Standard Bible
For Christ also suffered for sins once for all time, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;

NASB 1995
For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;

NASB 1977
For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, in order that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;

Legacy Standard Bible
For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, so that He might bring you to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;

Amplified Bible
For indeed Christ died for sins once for all, the Just and Righteous for the unjust and unrighteous [the Innocent for the guilty] so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the Spirit;

Christian Standard Bible
For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit,

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that He might bring you to God, after being put to death in the fleshly realm but made alive in the spiritual realm.

American Standard Version
Because Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God; being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;

Contemporary English Version
Christ died once for our sins. An innocent person died for those who are guilty. Christ did this to bring you to God, when his body was put to death and his spirit was made alive.

English Revised Version
Because Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God; being put to death in the flesh, but quickened in the spirit;

GOD'S WORD® Translation
This is true because Christ suffered for our sins once. He was an innocent person, but he suffered for guilty people so that he could bring you to God. His body was put to death, but he was brought to life through his spirit.

Good News Translation
For Christ died for sins once and for all, a good man on behalf of sinners, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death physically, but made alive spiritually,

International Standard Version
For the Messiah also suffered for sins once for all, an innocent person for the guilty, so that he could bring you to God. He was put to death in a mortal body but was brought to life by the Spirit,

NET Bible
Because Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, to bring you to God, by being put to death in the flesh but by being made alive in the spirit.

New Heart English Bible
Because Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring you to God; being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;

Webster's Bible Translation
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but made alive by the Spirit:

Weymouth New Testament
because Christ also once for all died for sins, the innocent One for the guilty many, in order to bring us to God. He was put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit,
Majority Text Translations
Majority Standard Bible
For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit,

World English Bible
Because Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring you to God, being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the Spirit,
Literal Translations
Literal Standard Version
also because Christ suffered once for sin—righteous for unrighteous—that He might lead us to God, indeed having been put to death in the flesh, but having been made alive in the Spirit,

Berean Literal Bible
because Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, so that He might bring you to God, having been put to death indeed in the flesh, but having been made alive in the spirit,

Young's Literal Translation
because also Christ once for sin did suffer -- righteous for unrighteous -- that he might lead us to God, having been put to death indeed, in the flesh, and having been made alive in the spirit,

Smith's Literal Translation
For Christ also once suffered for sins, the just one for the unjust, that he might bring us near to God, truly put to death in the flesh, and made alive by the Spirit:
Catholic Translations
Douay-Rheims Bible
Because Christ also died once for our sins, the just for the unjust: that he might offer us to God, being put to death indeed in the flesh, but enlivened in the spirit,

Catholic Public Domain Version
For Christ also died once for our sins, the Just One on behalf of the unjust, so that he might offer us to God, having died, certainly, in the flesh, but having been enlivened by the Spirit.

New American Bible
For Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the sake of the unrighteous, that he might lead you to God. Put to death in the flesh, he was brought to life in the spirit.

New Revised Standard Version
For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, in order to bring you to God. He was put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit,
Translations from Aramaic
Lamsa Bible
For Christ also once suffered for our sins, a just man for sinners, that he might bring you to God, wherefore while he died in the flesh, he lives in the Spirit.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Because The Messiah also died once for the sake of our sins, The Righteous One in the place of sinners, to bring you to God, and he died in body and lived in his Spirit.
NT Translations
Anderson New Testament
For Christ also once suffered for sins, the Just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, having been put to death in flesh, but made alive in spirit;

Godbey New Testament
Because Christ indeed once died for our sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, indeed being put to death in the flesh, but quickened in spirit:

Haweis New Testament
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, put to death indeed in the flesh, but raised to life by the Spirit:

Mace New Testament
for Jesus Christ himself has already suffer'd for our sins, the innocent for the guilty, to bring us to God: who, tho' he died with respect to his body, was rais'd to life by that spirit,

Weymouth New Testament
because Christ also once for all died for sins, the innocent One for the guilty many, in order to bring us to God. He was put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit,

Worrell New Testament
because Christ also suffered for sins once, a Righteous One in behalf of the unrighteous, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in flesh, but made alive in the Spirit,

Worsley New Testament
As Christ also once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust (that He might introduce us to God) being indeed put to death in the flesh, but raised to life by the Spirit:

EVEN the JW bible
For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit.

Guess you hate the Apostles creed?

The Apostles’ Creed​

I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.

I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit
and born of the virgin Mary.
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
he descended to hell.
The third day he rose again from the dead.
He ascended to heaven
and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty.
From there he will come to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic* church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.

Finally: If what I say is such an afront to you you can always put me on ignore.

 

[Dizerner]

As for the original topic, because Christ's creaturely attributes directly logically contradict his divine attributes, I think the idea of him limiting himself to become a creation makes more sense than him bifurcating himself into two distinct entities where he is half creation and half divine simultaneously. That way Christ can be all divine and all human, and simply limit his own divinity.

 

[Runningman]

it's like this. God's Spirit is a feminine being. The greek type of oneness fails to get this... Gets bent out of shape just thinking of it. Augustine Hated female. Formed his theology to fit his own pagan greek training. Oversaw and was in charge of catholic theology. No this has nothing to do with any silly mary worship concept.

But in Irenaeus' sweet view of trinity God's Spirit and Christ are His Hands. Then we have two gorgeous Hands of God representing all the daughters by His Spirit and all the sons by Christ in their image, male and female. Yes they are in Him and are deity. He is God and they are His Hands.

Then instead of the current all male club based on aristotelian substance - augustine's version (and he was sign-off on vatican theology that the protestant branch of the catholic tree continues with today!) - we can see God's family as of His archetype and not a weird person pretzel based on kabalah and greek theology - both of which are rooted in ancient egypt and God's enemy.

Thus He is a being, His Spirit is a Being, His son is a being. They are one. How can hands be separated from His Being. They cannot.

What was stolen at the fall was our original nature given by God... thus our deity, His nature as actual sons and daughters in eden where His signature was on everything of His and therefore yes we as His temple then before the fall . Not creatures, not adopted ape humans. His family of whom the satanic realm was so jealous and all of us imprisoned. Certainly now in this 98% ape body we are not a temple - this is the flesh we are imprisoned in that wars God.

The rapture is restoration to Him and Eden, all imbued with His nature.

The 144k will be restored to their glorious original nature. Which christ made possible to happen. Plead Christ it be now and He return to save us from this place of which He said I am not from here.

Thanks for sharing. I have read your writings before and I am aware of your feminist theology regarding God, but this is a fringe and highly philosophical interpretation of who God is when compared to the Bible. While it's true that God did make male and female in His image, God identifies Himself primarily in the masculine sense throughout the Bible. If that Scriptures are accurate then there is not a better way to identify God than what the Bible already says. Do you remember when I replied to you before? I believe it was close to a year ago.

Anyway, let me ask you this. Since Jesus is the head of the body then aren't the other members of his body just as important as he is? You see, what good is a head if it doesn't have arms, legs, and a torso?

 

[Dizerner]

Anyway, let me ask you this. Since Jesus is the head of the body then aren't the other members of his body just as important as he is? You see, what good is a head if it doesn't have arms, legs, and a torso?

Do you think one day you will be King of Kings and Lord of Lords and every created thing will ascribe all glory to you also?

No, we are not "just as important" as Jesus who is the Vine, while we are the branches.

 

[Runningman]

Do you think one day you will be King of Kings and Lord of Lords and every created thing will ascribe all glory to you also?

No and neither did Jesus.

No, we are not "just as important" as Jesus who is the Vine, while we are the branches.

Try being head without a body and see how far that gets you.

 

[e v e]

Thanks for sharing. I have read your writings before and I am aware of your feminist theology regarding God, but this is a fringe and highly philosophical interpretation of who God is when compared to the Bible. While it's true that God did make male and female in His image, God identifies Himself primarily in the masculine sense throughout the Bible. If that Scriptures are accurate then there is not a better way to identify God than what the Bible already says. Do you remember when I replied to you before? I believe it was close to a year ago.

Anyway, let me ask you this. Since Jesus is the head of the body then aren't the other members of his body just as important as he is? You see, what good is a head if it doesn't have arms, legs, and a torso?

im not a feminist. yuck.

 

[e v e]

Thanks for sharing. I have read your writings before and I am aware of your feminist theology regarding God, but this is a fringe and highly philosophical interpretation of who God is when compared to the Bible. While it's true that God did make male and female in His image, God identifies Himself primarily in the masculine sense throughout the Bible. If that Scriptures are accurate then there is not a better way to identify God than what the Bible already says. Do you remember when I replied to you before? I believe it was close to a year ago.

Anyway, let me ask you this. Since Jesus is the head of the body then aren't the other members of his body just as important as he is? You see, what good is a head if it doesn't have arms, legs, and a torso?

scroll back and read my answer to your question.