The faith of Jesus Christ versus the faith of man

Red Baker said:
@civic

civic, let me ask you a question, or two: Who is called the everlasting Father in the scriptures? Who created all things? What does it mean to be called the everlasting Father?
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I will let @civic answer in his own time. In the meantime, you might consider what Albert Barnes said about that.

The everlasting Father - The Chaldee renders this expression, ‘The man abiding forever.’ The Vulgate, ‘The Father of the future age.’ Lowth, ‘The Father of the everlasting age.’ Literally, it is the Father of eternity, עד אבי 'ĕby ‛ad. The word rendered “everlasting,” עד ‛ad, properly denotes “eternity,” and is used to express “forever;” see Psa_9:6, Psa_9:19; Psa_19:10. It is often used in connection with עולם ‛ôlâm, thus, עולם ועד vā‛ed ‛ôlâm, “forever and ever;” Psa_10:16; Psa_21:5; Psa_45:7. The Hebrews used the term father in a great variety of senses - as a literal father, a grandfather, an ancestor, a ruler, an instructor. The phrase may either mean the same as the Eternal Father, and the sense will be, that the Messiah will not, as must be the ease with an earthly king, however excellent, leave his people destitute after a short reign, but will rule over them and bless them forever (Hengstenberg); or it may be used in accordance with a custom usual in Hebrew and in Arabic, where he who possesses a thing is called the father of it.
Thus, the father of strength means strong; the father of knowledge, intelligent; the father of glory, glorious; the father of goodness, good; the father of peace, peaceful. According to this, the meaning of the phrase, the Father of eternity, is properly eternal. The application of the word here is derived from this usage. The term Father is not applied to the Messiah here with any reference to the distinction in the divine nature, for that word is uniformly, in the Scriptures, applied to the first, not to the second person of the Trinity. But it is used in reference to durations, as a Hebraism involving high poetic beauty. He is not merely represented as everlasting, but he is introduced, by a strong figure, as even the Father of eternity. as if even everlasting duration owed itself to his paternity. There could not be a more emphatic declaration of strict and proper eternity. It may be added, that this attribute is often applied to the Messiah in the New Testament; Joh_8:58; Col_1:17; Rev_1:11, Rev_1:17-18; Heb_1:10-11; Joh_1:1-2.
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Jim said:
And you are wiping out the entire New Testament.
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The New Covenant writings from Matthew to Revelation are the authors' discussion and explanation of the Acts of the Holy Spirit inaugurating the New Covenant era Israel found herself in "overnight" from His appearing as sent by God and His Christ according to Scripture and Promises.

The Holy Spirit was following prophecy and promises recorded in the Hebrew Scripture of Law, Psalms, and the Prophets. Saul, Peter, James, John and the others wrote to Jews and Jewish Christians to help Jews and Jewish Christians understand what was written in the Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets concerning the New Covenant promised by God through Jeremiah the prophet. All one need do to understand the New Covenant is know what the Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets said for the New Covenant is described and recorded there in its scrolls (pages.)

The original letters are inspired of God, but God never instructed nor commanded those writings - letters - be made into a "book." That decision was the working of Gentiles and mixed heritage Jews who found themselves 'caretakers' of the Jewish Churches after Rome destroyed Israelite cities and towns and destroyed their Temple and scattering the Jews everywhere throughout the Roman Empire. These mixed heritage Jews knew nothing of Hebrew culture and their Law and their prophets. These were addressed by Saul in his letter to Jews and Jewish Christians at Ephesus.

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Ephesians 2:11–13.

They were the mixed heritage Jews who were among the scattered of the Assyrian and Babylonian Conquests who were taken into exile and captivity in 722 BC and 586 BC, respectively. Jews were in exile in Gentile lands by an act of judgment from God for their unrepentant sinful and idol-worshiping ways. Twenty-nine through thirty-five generations of Jews were born, raised, and grew up Gentile in these places having lost their land and their Temple. But God also promised to gather them back into their land at a later date, which He did as promised. Yet they were still under occupation by Roman armies and eventually defeated and destroyed again with a new scattering among the Gentile world. This occurred in AD 70 by the Roman Armies under Titus. For the most part Rome did nothing to these mixed-race Jews for they were also Roman citizens with Gentile ancestry and passed as Gentile as they were more familiar with Greek culture than Hebrew culture.
 
jeremiah1five said:
The New Covenant writings from Matthew to Revelation are the authors' discussion and explanation of the Acts of the Holy Spirit inaugurating the New Covenant era Israel found herself in "overnight" from His appearing as sent by God and His Christ according to Scripture and Promises.

The Holy Spirit was following prophecy and promises recorded in the Hebrew Scripture of Law, Psalms, and the Prophets. Saul, Peter, James, John and the others wrote to Jews and Jewish Christians to help Jews and Jewish Christians understand what was written in the Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets concerning the New Covenant promised by God through Jeremiah the prophet. All one need do to understand the New Covenant is know what the Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets said for the New Covenant is described and recorded there in its scrolls (pages.)

The original letters are inspired of God, but God never instructed nor commanded those writings - letters - be made into a "book." That decision was the working of Gentiles and mixed heritage Jews who found themselves 'caretakers' of the Jewish Churches after Rome destroyed Israelite cities and towns and destroyed their Temple and scattering the Jews everywhere throughout the Roman Empire. These mixed heritage Jews knew nothing of Hebrew culture and their Law and their prophets. These were addressed by Saul in his letter to Jews and Jewish Christians at Ephesus.

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Ephesians 2:11–13.

They were the mixed heritage Jews who were among the scattered of the Assyrian and Babylonian Conquests who were taken into exile and captivity in 722 BC and 586 BC, respectively. Jews were in exile in Gentile lands by an act of judgment from God for their unrepentant sinful and idol-worshiping ways. Twenty-nine through thirty-five generations of Jews were born, raised, and grew up Gentile in these places having lost their land and their Temple. But God also promised to gather them back into their land at a later date, which He did as promised. Yet they were still under occupation by Roman armies and eventually defeated and destroyed again with a new scattering among the Gentile world. This occurred in AD 70 by the Roman Armies under Titus. For the most part Rome did nothing to these mixed-race Jews for they were also Roman citizens with Gentile ancestry and passed as Gentile as they were more familiar with Greek culture than Hebrew culture.
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That is mostly assumptions from a very confused Judaizer antagonist to NT Christianity.
 
jeremiah1five said:
Yes, but the Abraham Covenant and the Mosaic Covenant and the New Covenant is between God and Abraham and his biological seed; between God and the children of Israel; and God and the House of Israel and the House of Judah, respectively.
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The New Covenant promises are for Gentiles that is the Mystery
 
Jim said:
So Jesus had faith in Himself? That is more than a little odd. It makes no theological sense.
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See Heb 2:13

13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me

Also Jn 20:17

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God

He had faith in His Father and God

You didn't know that Jesus had a God and Father?
 
Yes, according to Christian theology, Jesus existed as a divine person prior to becoming a man. Before the Incarnation, he existed eternally as the Son of God or the Eternal Word, co-equal with the Father and the Holy Spirit. He did not have a human body during this time but existed as pure spirit, which is why the term "Son of God" is used to describe his pre-incarnate existence.

The biblical argument for the pre-existence of Jesus is certainly multi-faceted. Pre-existence is defined as “existence in a former state or previous to something else.” In the case of Jesus Christ, His pre-existence means that, before He became a man and walked upon the earth, He was already in existence as the second Person of the triune God. The Bible not only explicitly teaches this doctrine but also implies this fact at various points throughout the Gospels and Epistles. In addition, Jesus’ own actions reveal His divine identity and, as a consequence, His pre-existence.

Several places in the New Testament explicitly teach Jesus’ pre-existence. Jesus said, “And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began” (John 17:5). This passage alone is sufficient to show that the Scripture supports Jesus’ pre-existence, but it is just one of many such passages.
www.gotquestions.org

Does the Bible support the pre-existence of Jesus? | GotQuestions.org

Does the Bible support the pre-existence (preexistence) of Jesus? Did Jesus exist before He was incarnated in human form?
www.gotquestions.org
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Jim said:
Jesus was and is God.
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You have problems friend by not acknowledging that Jesus has a God and Father Rev 3:12

Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name
 
brightfame52 said:
You have problems friend by not acknowledging that Jesus has a God and Father Rev 3:12

Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name
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Any problems that you think I have are trivial in comparison with the problems you have in acknowledging Augustine and Calvin above God's word. You need to look inward not outward when looking for problems.
 

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