The Eternal Son

[civic]

Adam was created from the earth and was born when God breathed into him = Firstborn of mankind

Please point me to any Bible verse calling Adam the firstborn

 

[Runningman]

They show the CLEAR distinction between YHWH as Spirit and when YHWH comes to earth as a man.

Thus Elohim FATHER remains Spirit but Elohim WORD becomes the "only begotten of the FATHER"

This is Verified in the Gospel and the Apostles writings

God is Light and in Him there is no darkness
JESUS is Light and in Him is no darkness = Like Father like Son = Equal in TRUTH, HOLINESS and ORIGIN/SPIRIT

JESUS is the True LIGHT that all men must come to for Salvation = John 3:16-21
JESUS is the only Person of the godhead called LORD in NT Scripture
JESUS is EXACTLY the Person spoken of by David in Psalm 27:1 = "The LORD is my light and my salvation"

No.

The true Light was coming into the world (present tense) after Jesus was already about 30 years old. The true Light gives light to everyone. This is how Jesus and his disciples are the light of the world, becasue they were given light by God.

John 1
9The true Light, who gives light to everyone, was coming into the world. 10He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him.

 

[DavidTree]

Please point me to any Bible verse calling Adam the firstborn

Luke 3 :38 and 1 Cor 15:45

Luke = "Adam the son of God"

Corinthians = So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam a life-giving spirit.

Adam was the FIRST "son of God" whereas JESUS is the Second Son of God/the last Adam

 

[Runningman]

@Runningman

Oh, how you men wrest the word of God! Is this the best you have to offer? Of course it is, folks like you are void of the Spirit of God and have no love for the truth.

God is a Spirit that inhabiteth eternity, always has, always will, and that can never change, no never. Jesus Christ His Son is the express image of God, the ONLY God angels and man will ever see, or can see.

Isaiah 57:15​

“For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.”

One more time:

1 Timothy 6:14​

“That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:”

I can stop here and prove that these scriptures are speaking of JESUS CHRIST~do you see this? THE APPEARING of Jesus Christ, how plain is this, it can not be spoken any plainer!

1 Timothy 6:15​

“Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;”

Who's times? Jesus Christ!

Titus 2:13​

“Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;”

Jesus Christ is the ONLY God we shall ever see, and bow down to! You need to repent of your rejecting of Jesus Christ being the GREAT GOD, and the only Saviour of sinners. You will soon meet him face to face, and give an account of rejecting him as the Great and True God!

Bad exegesis.

The Son does not know when he will be brought back to earth:

Matthew 24​

36No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. ​

Jesus does not return under his own power and authority, but rather God brings him back:

1 Thessalonians 4​

14For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.​

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Acts 1​

7Jesus replied, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by His own authority. ​

Titus 2:13 shows clear gramatical and contextual distinction between God and Jesus.

 

[civic]

Luke 3 :38 and 1 Cor 15:45

Luke = "Adam the son of God"

Corinthians = So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam a life-giving spirit.

Adam was the FIRST "son of God" whereas JESUS is the Second Son of God/the last Adam

Like I thought nothing about “firstborn “

 

[Red Baker]

Bad exegesis.

The Son does not know when he will be brought back to earth:

That was written while Jesus was still in the flesh as a man upon the earth, he's no longer is such, and knows all things perfectly as God! You soon will find out that he does know. Even the very elect know the season in which it is close, for Jesus revealed that to us ~ we just do not know when, only the when it is very close, even at the doors. We can see the little season being fulfilled.

Titus 2:13 shows clear gramatical and contextual distinction between God and Jesus

Prove what you are attempting to say to get around the truth. Let me test it with the scriptures. Go for it.

 

[DavidTree]

Like I thought nothing about “firstborn “

Selective discrimination of Scripture

 

[civic]

Selective discrimination of Scripture

I don’t call Adam or Christ something the Bible doesn’t call them

 

[DavidTree]

I don’t call Adam or Christ something the Bible doesn’t call them

Simple

Was Adam born of God?

 

[civic]

Simple

Was Adam born of God?

Nope he was created by God.

 

[DavidTree]

Nope he was created by God.

Selective discrimination of scripture via denying the Truth of Scripture

Genesis 2:7 - And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Selective discrimination of scripture via denying the Truth of Scripture

Genesis 2:7 - And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

So... how about the "breath of life" in animals?

A "living soul" didn't carry with it any context of Eternal Life like in the new birth.

I had these discussions many many years ago. It is rare that they take place anymore because too many people assume the answers match the traditions they've been taught.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Nope he was created by God.

The potter and the clay......

 

[praise_yeshua]

@civic

civic, if Jesus is literally God's eternal son, then I ask you this question: "Are we his eternal children" ~ for you cannot separate Jesus Christ from the members of his elect body which all of the very elect are.

Brother, you need to rethink you position.

When stripped of all artificial verbiage, the naked question returns: Is Jesus Christ absolutely, eternally independently, underived, the very Supreme and eternal God, that the word of God declares him to be?

We say, yes he is! That is why we must reject eternal generation in any way presented to us by men who profess to be wise.

Still battling this context of "begotten" relative to son.....

Luk 20:41 And he said unto them, How say they that Christ is David's son?
Luk 20:42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Luk 20:43 Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Luk 20:44 David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son?

 

[Runningman]

That was written while Jesus was still in the flesh as a man upon the earth, he's no longer is such, and knows all things perfectly as God! You soon will find out that he does know. Even the very elect know the season in which it is close, for Jesus revealed that to us ~ we just do not know when, only the when it is very close, even at the doors. We can see the little season being fulfilled.

You contend that Jesus is not a man anymore? Those who wrote about him decades after he was taken to heaven by God described him as a human being mediating between different parties.

1 Timothy 2
5For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

Prove what you are attempting to say to get around the truth. Let me test it with the scriptures. Go for it.

John 17:3, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Ephesians 4:6. Only one God known as the Father.

Please begin your test.

 

[civic]

The potter and the clay......

Yep

 

[DavidTree]

So... how about the "breath of life" in animals?

A "living soul" didn't carry with it any context of Eternal Life like in the new birth.

I had these discussions many many years ago. It is rare that they take place anymore because too many people assume the answers match the traditions they've been taught.

Were the animals made in the image of God? = No

Only Adam was made in the image of God.

Adam was born without sin = only sin disqualifies us from eternal life

 

[praise_yeshua]

Were the animals made in the image of God? = No

Only Adam was made in the image of God.

Adam was born without sin = only sin disqualifies us from eternal life

AH... now we are getting somewhere.

So what right do you have to Eternal Life without the Son?

Adam never had a right to Eternal Life. Adam didn't even have the right to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Animals share the "breath of life". Don't they?

I'm looking for you to show me exactly where the Scriptures say that Adam had Eternal Life before the work of the Son.

 

[praise_yeshua]

You contend that Jesus is not a man anymore? Those who wrote about him decades after he was taken to heaven by God described him as a human being mediating between different parties.

You believe you're just like Jesus. You're not. Not even close.

1 Timothy 2
5For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

You're mediator of nothing. So why is Jesus different than you?

 

[DavidTree]

AH... now we are getting somewhere.

So what right do you have to Eternal Life without the Son?

Adam never had a right to Eternal Life. Adam didn't even have the right to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Animals share the "breath of life". Don't they?

I'm looking for you to show me exactly where the Scriptures say that Adam had Eternal Life before the work of the Son.

Adam never had a right to Eternal Life.

Complete FALSEHOOD

You need to hit the BREAKS right here and turn back to TRUTH

Animals share the "breath of life". Don't they?

Animals were not created in the image of God = animals do not have a spirit
As @civic would say: next fallacy