DavidTree
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Selah
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God, in the OT spoke by the prophets of old—like Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, etc. In the NT, God spoke to us through His Son.
Hebrews 1:1-2 (NKJV) 1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by [His] Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;
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Jesus Christ is the brightness of God’s glory, in His human nature. The Word is God and has His glory, but the Son reveals it (John 1:14). God is neither visible nor perceptible, so Christ’s humanity is considered. Man can only witness the “brightness” of God’s glory in Christ (Exodus 33:18). Jesus Christ is the express image of God‘s person, in His human nature. Jesus Christ is the image of the invisible God (John 1:18; Colossians 1:15). David, seeing Jesus Christ is the same as seeing God (John 14:9; 15:24; 2nd Cor 4:6); the ONLY God you and I will ever see. . The Hebrews well understood the invisible nature of God (Exodus 33:20). As I said above~Jesus Christ contained in His body all the fullness of the Godhead (Col 2:9). Jesus Christ upholds all things by the word of His power, in His divine nature. All things in the creation consist by His almighty power (Colossians 1:17). In his divine nature of course.
David, my brother, your search is coming up just the way it should, IF you trust the word of God above voices in the world. David, in the beginning was God, period! God is a Spirit that lives, dwells in eternity, always has, always will, this will never change, no, not never.
Jesus Christ is the brightness of God’s glory, in His human nature. The Word is God and has His glory, but the Son reveals it (John 1:14). God is neither visible nor perceptible, so Christ’s humanity is considered. Man can only witness the “brightness” of God’s glory in Christ (Exodus 33:18). Jesus Christ is the express image of God‘s person, in His human nature. Jesus Christ is the image of the invisible God (John 1:18; Colossians 1:15). David, seeing Jesus Christ is the same as seeing God (John 14:9; 15:24; 2nd Cor 4:6); the ONLY God you and I will ever see. . The Hebrews well understood the invisible nature of God (Exodus 33:20). As I said above~Jesus Christ contained in His body all the fullness of the Godhead (Col 2:9). Jesus Christ upholds all things by the word of His power, in His divine nature. All things in the creation consist by His almighty power (Colossians 1:17). In his divine nature of course.
DavidTree
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Correct = the Word that was God
When the Word became flesh = JESUS = this was the First Time that the FATHER Spoke directly to a man and thru a man
JESUS Said: "no one comes to the FATHER but thru ME" = SAME in the OT as in the NT
Dizerner
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What is His name, and what is His Son's name, If you know? (Prov. 30:4 NKJ)
This was clearly before the Incarnation.
Selah
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…but remember that Scripture never contradicts Scripture.
DavidTree
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HalleluYAH
Selah
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We disagree.
DavidTree
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Prophecy of the Word becoming the only begotten Son
Notice it is a Question that cannot be answered until the Word that was God became flesh.
Dizerner
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But it doesn't say, "What will be his Son's name?"
DavidTree
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This is why JESUS Says = "no one has seen His Form except HE who is in the Bosom of the FATHER"
DavidTree
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i SEE that Brother which underscores that it is a Prophecy of Who is to Come
Selah
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John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, Which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared Him."
Jesus is in the bosom of the Father because they are One.
Jesus is in the bosom of the Father because they are One.
DavidTree
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ABSOLUTELY TRUE
DavidTree
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This is why JESUS Says = "no one has seen His Form except HE who is in the Bosom of the FATHER"
Selah
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This is why Jesus (God) came in the flesh—so that man could see Him. It will be different in Heaven. We will be in spiritual bodies then.
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John 1:18 and 1:14 must be kept in view together, for they state the same truth. Eternal, invisible, and independent Jehovah took on a human nature for us. These two verses present Jesus the Son of God revealing the invisible God. The Godman Jesus Christ is God’s chosen representation of Himself to us. This is not a rabbit trail for God’s invisibility, but rather the Son’s revealer role. The greatest goal of a man born of God's Spirit is to see God and His glory by some means. Jesus Christ is answer to a child of God greatest goal ~ to see and know the true God. God in essence and nature is an invisible Spirit, and no man has or can see Him. God is a Spirit, so He has no material body to view (John 4:24; Luke 24:39). The axiom of not seeing God is common (John 6:46; Ist John 4:12; Exodus 33:20). The Bible declares God invisible (IstTimothy 1:17; 6:16; Colossians 1:15; Hebrews 11:27). Any visual representation of God in the scriptures is assumed for man’s benefit. God is no more a dove (Jesus’ baptism) than a burning bush (Moses’ sight). He is no more the man visiting Abraham than the one that wrestled Jacob. When God revealed His glory to Moses, He declared His moral attributes.
"The only begotten Son."
It simply and only means a Son by unique birth to make him one of a kind, in the manner in which he was begotten. The only begotten Son is Jesus of Nazareth, the Godman possessing a body. Jesus, the holy thing of Mary, is by incarnation God’s only begotten Son. Jesus, without His human nature, is "Word of God only", not the Son of God. Absurdities and heresies arise if any other view is taken of the Son of God. Apostles used, God’s holy child Jesus (Acts 4:27,30). Is God His own child? Declaration is here, but God did not declare by His Son before (Heb 1:1-2). Jesus as Son of God is subject to God, thus not equal to Him (I Cor 15:28). Sons are begotten through women, so who was His eternal mother (Gal 4:4).
"Which is in the bosom of the Father."
John wrote this gospel after Christ’s ascension to the right hand of the Father. We assume this for the reason following to understand the present tense. John’s gospel contains the full life of Christ leading up to His ascension. Yet, in His divine nature Jesus was always in heaven with God, being the God of Genesis 1:1 (John 3:13). The relationship of Jesus Christ to God is one of great intimacy and closeness. If a bosom relationship is applied to the Word of God and God, it is foolish. This phrase has nothing to do with God and the Word being tight buddies. A bosom relationship, personal and intimate, grew between Jesus and John. One man this close to another is privy to the man’s most intimate secrets. The man Christ Jesus is God’s well beloved Son and deserves this phrase. Consider words God declared from heaven at baptism, transfiguration, etc. Jesus of Nazareth is closer to God than any angel, man, or any creature. Jesus Christ was very close to God by His divine nature, begetting, and Spirit. Therefore, as it follows, it was easy for Him to declare God to believers. Never before, and never since, and never yet, will a man be so close to God. All hope of intercession, mediation, salvation, and prayers are based on it.
"He hath declared him."
Jesus Christ is the revelation, manifestation, image, and declaration of Jehovah. God has spoken to the fathers by prophets, but now by His Son (HeBrews 1:1,2). Declaration includes His words (John 3:32-34; 7:16; 8:28; 12:49; 14:10; 17:8). Declaration is also more than words (Psalms19:1; John 5:20,36; 9:4; 10:25,32,38). The most we can easily know about God is by learning of Jesus Christ His Son. Jesus told Philip if he had seen Christ He had seen the Father (John 14:7-11). Jesus is the express image of the Almighty God of Israel (He 1:3; Col 1:15).
No man can come to God the Father but by Jesus Christ revealing Him to him. There is only one Mediator between God and men for it (John 14:6; Ist Timothy 2:5). Only the Son knows God and those to whom He reveals Him (Matt 11:27) Natural man cannot grasp either Father or Son without divine help John 6:44).
Please tell me why and how do you disagree, I desire to know.
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
"No man hath seen God at any time."John 1:18 and 1:14 must be kept in view together, for they state the same truth. Eternal, invisible, and independent Jehovah took on a human nature for us. These two verses present Jesus the Son of God revealing the invisible God. The Godman Jesus Christ is God’s chosen representation of Himself to us. This is not a rabbit trail for God’s invisibility, but rather the Son’s revealer role. The greatest goal of a man born of God's Spirit is to see God and His glory by some means. Jesus Christ is answer to a child of God greatest goal ~ to see and know the true God. God in essence and nature is an invisible Spirit, and no man has or can see Him. God is a Spirit, so He has no material body to view (John 4:24; Luke 24:39). The axiom of not seeing God is common (John 6:46; Ist John 4:12; Exodus 33:20). The Bible declares God invisible (IstTimothy 1:17; 6:16; Colossians 1:15; Hebrews 11:27). Any visual representation of God in the scriptures is assumed for man’s benefit. God is no more a dove (Jesus’ baptism) than a burning bush (Moses’ sight). He is no more the man visiting Abraham than the one that wrestled Jacob. When God revealed His glory to Moses, He declared His moral attributes.
"The only begotten Son."
It simply and only means a Son by unique birth to make him one of a kind, in the manner in which he was begotten. The only begotten Son is Jesus of Nazareth, the Godman possessing a body. Jesus, the holy thing of Mary, is by incarnation God’s only begotten Son. Jesus, without His human nature, is "Word of God only", not the Son of God. Absurdities and heresies arise if any other view is taken of the Son of God. Apostles used, God’s holy child Jesus (Acts 4:27,30). Is God His own child? Declaration is here, but God did not declare by His Son before (Heb 1:1-2). Jesus as Son of God is subject to God, thus not equal to Him (I Cor 15:28). Sons are begotten through women, so who was His eternal mother (Gal 4:4).
"Which is in the bosom of the Father."
John wrote this gospel after Christ’s ascension to the right hand of the Father. We assume this for the reason following to understand the present tense. John’s gospel contains the full life of Christ leading up to His ascension. Yet, in His divine nature Jesus was always in heaven with God, being the God of Genesis 1:1 (John 3:13). The relationship of Jesus Christ to God is one of great intimacy and closeness. If a bosom relationship is applied to the Word of God and God, it is foolish. This phrase has nothing to do with God and the Word being tight buddies. A bosom relationship, personal and intimate, grew between Jesus and John. One man this close to another is privy to the man’s most intimate secrets. The man Christ Jesus is God’s well beloved Son and deserves this phrase. Consider words God declared from heaven at baptism, transfiguration, etc. Jesus of Nazareth is closer to God than any angel, man, or any creature. Jesus Christ was very close to God by His divine nature, begetting, and Spirit. Therefore, as it follows, it was easy for Him to declare God to believers. Never before, and never since, and never yet, will a man be so close to God. All hope of intercession, mediation, salvation, and prayers are based on it.
"He hath declared him."
Jesus Christ is the revelation, manifestation, image, and declaration of Jehovah. God has spoken to the fathers by prophets, but now by His Son (HeBrews 1:1,2). Declaration includes His words (John 3:32-34; 7:16; 8:28; 12:49; 14:10; 17:8). Declaration is also more than words (Psalms19:1; John 5:20,36; 9:4; 10:25,32,38). The most we can easily know about God is by learning of Jesus Christ His Son. Jesus told Philip if he had seen Christ He had seen the Father (John 14:7-11). Jesus is the express image of the Almighty God of Israel (He 1:3; Col 1:15).
No man can come to God the Father but by Jesus Christ revealing Him to him. There is only one Mediator between God and men for it (John 14:6; Ist Timothy 2:5). Only the Son knows God and those to whom He reveals Him (Matt 11:27) Natural man cannot grasp either Father or Son without divine help John 6:44).
FreeInChrist
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Thank you @Selah,
Today I am proposing a new biblical query. Yesterday we found, I did anyway, as I am sure you also did, an assortment of scriptural paradoxes.
But today I would like us all, including @Red Baker, to look and post what are seemingly scriptural opposites, not within the same verse, but within two different books preferably. although if you do find contradictions within a single source, let us all know.
I am placing no real time limit on this other then I would hope things will not drag on longer then tomorrow.
Also please. Post from your preferred translation and also from the King James.
Example:
Romans 3:28 nasb95 98 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.
James 2:24 nasb95 24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
Romans 3:28 KJV 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
James 2:24 KJV 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
civic
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Remember in Hebrews 1 it’s the Son who is declared to be before all things and created the world. See also Hebrews 1:8-10.
praise_yeshua
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Did Eve come forth from Adam? You're using earthly expressions to quantify Eternal things. While they are relative in a certain manner, in many ways they are not.
Jesus often spoke of how we have a "heavenly Father". In the Incarnation establishes such for the Son.
