The Doctrine of the Resurrection of Christ
- Thread starter civic
- Start date
Johann
Well-known member
Now this is what I would call-rightly cutting straight the D'var of YHVH-and an old Japanese saying: The nail that sticks out-gets hammered.
Johann
An aside-getting my notes ready.
civic
Well-known member
Jesus is forever God in the flesh ( Incarnate) some more proof to support His bodily Resurrection/ Ascension was permanent.
Colossians 2:9
King James Bible
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily
Now read the Greek below on the present ongoing meaning of DWELLS . The bodily dwelling of Deity is permanent not temporary. The Incarnation was PERMANENT.
κατοικεῖ (katoikei)
Verb - Present Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's Greek 2730: To dwell in, settle in, be established in (permanently), inhabit. From kata and oikeo; to house permanently, i.e. Reside.
8.2 σωματικός, ή, όν; σωματικῶςa: (derivatives of σῶμαa ‘body,’ 8.1) pertaining to a physical body—‘bodily, physical, bodily form.’[1] Louw Nida
Expositor's Greek Testament
Colossians 2:9. in Him and in Him alone.—κατοικεῖ: “permanently dwells”. The reference is to the Exalted State, not only on account of the present, but of the context and Paul’s Christology generally.—πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα τῆς θεότητος: “all the fulness of the Godhead”. πᾶν is emphatic, the whole fulness dwells in Christ.
Body
sōmatikṓs (an adverb, derived from 4984 /sōmatikóswhich is an adjective derived from 4983 /sṓma, "body") – bodily(used only in Col 2:9)Loew & Nida Greek Lexicon
Never once in the NT is soma ever used of something nonphysical or immaterial .
Paul is talking in Colossians chapters 2-3 about the glorified resurrected Christ now seated at the right hand of God not the earthly Christ pre resurrection. This is a slam dunk that He is in a human glorified resurrection body and that He continues to have all the fullness of Deity dwelling bodily in the present.
Bodily (σωματικῶς) In bodily fashion or bodily-wise. The verse contains two distinct assertions: 1. That the fullness of the Godhead eternally dwells in Christ. The present tense κατοικεῖ dwelleth, is used like ἐστιν is (the image), Colossians 1:15, to denote an eternal and essential characteristic of Christ's being. The indwelling of the divine fullness in Him is characteristic of Him as Christ, from all ages and to all ages. Hence the fullness of the Godhead dwelt in Him before His incarnation, when He was "in the form of God" (Philippians 2:6). The Word in the beginning, was with God and was God (John 1:1). It dwelt in Him during His incarnation. It was the Word that became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth, and His glory which was beheld was the glory as of the Only begotten of the Father (John 1:14; compare 1 John 1:1-3). The fullness of the Godhead dwells in His glorified humanity in heaven.
2. The fullness of the Godhead dwells in Him in a bodily way, clothed the body. This means that it dwells in Him as one having a human body. This could not be true of His preincarnate state, when He was "in the form of God," for the human body was taken on by Him in the fullness of time, when "He became in the likeness of men" (Philippians 2:7), when the Word became flesh. The fullness of the Godhead dwelt in His person from His birth to His ascension. He carried His human body with Him into heaven, and in His glorified body now and ever dwells the fullness of the Godhead. Vincent Greek Word Studies
(2:9) Commenting on the contents of this verse, Lightfoot says; “The apostle justifies the foregoing charge that the doctrine was not according to Christ: ‘In Christ dwells the whole plērōma (πληρωμα) (fulness, plenitude), the entire fulness of the Godhead, whereas they represent it to you as dispersed among several spiritual agencies. Christ is the fountain-head of all spiritual life, whereas they teach you to seek it in communion with inferior creatures.’ ”
“Dwelleth” is katoikei (κατοικει). Oikeō (Ὀικεω) means “to be at home.” Kata (Κατα), prefixed, means “down,” thus showing permanence. The compound verb was used of the permanent residents of a town as compared with the transient community. The verb is in the present tense, showing durative action. The translation reads: “Because in Him there is continuously and permanently at home all the fulness of the Godhead in bodily fashion.”
Bodily (σωματικῶς). In bodily fashion or bodily-wise. The verse contains two distinct assertions: 1. That the fulness of the Godhead eternally dwells in Christ. The present tense κατοικεῖ dwelleth, is used like ἐστιν is (the image), ch. 1:15, to denote an eternaland essential characteristic of Christ’s being. The indwelling of the divine fulness in Him is characteristic of Him as Christ, from all ages and to all ages. Hence the fulness of the Godhead dwelt in Him before His incarnation, when He was “in the form of God” (Philip. 2:6). The Word in the beginning was with God and was God (John 1:1). It dwelt in Him during His incarnation. It was the Word that became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth, and His glory which was beheld was the glory as of the Only-begotten of the Father (John 1:14; compare 1 John 1:1–3). The fulness of the Godhead dwells in His glorified humanity in heaven.
2. The fulness of the Godhead dwells in Him in a bodily way, clothed with a body. This means that it dwells in Him as one having a human body. This could not be true of His preincarnate state, when He was “in the form of God,” for the human body was taken on by Him in the fulness of time, when “He became in the likeness of men” (Philip. 2:7), when the Word became flesh. The fulness of the Godhead dwelt in His person from His birth to His ascension. He carried His human body with Him into heaven, and in His glorified body now and ever dwells the fulness of the Godhead[1] Word Studies in the Greek New Testament
hope this helps !!!
Whosoever
Member
Death Where Is Your Sting?
“O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?” 1 Corinthians 15:55 KJV
O death where is your sting? Jesus Christ conquered death, hell, and the grave. There is nothing that can withhold His Love from you. There is nothing that can keep you out of His Reach. There is no yoke that He cannot destroy. There is no chain that He cannot break. He is Life. He is the Resurrection and Christ can set you free from all the bondage of the enemy.
1 Corinthians 15:56-57 KJV declares, “The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.” Sin is the sting of death. Christ conquered sin and put death in its place. Romans 6:23 KJV declares, “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
Our God is Life and has Authority over all the power of death. Matthew 28:18 KJV declares, “And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.” Christ is Victorious over all of the power of the enemy. Matthew 28:18 AMPC puts it this way, “Jesus approached and, breaking the silence, said to them, All authority (all power of rule) in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.”
Christ came to resurrect every part of your life and to snatch you back from the grip of the enemy. John 10:10 declares, “The thief comes only in order to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have and enjoy life, and have it in abundance (to the full, till it overflows).” Christ came to set you free. Christ came so that you can have life and life more abundantly. Choose to surrender to Christ and watch your life completely turn around.
“O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?” 1 Corinthians 15:55 KJV
O death where is your sting? Jesus Christ conquered death, hell, and the grave. There is nothing that can withhold His Love from you. There is nothing that can keep you out of His Reach. There is no yoke that He cannot destroy. There is no chain that He cannot break. He is Life. He is the Resurrection and Christ can set you free from all the bondage of the enemy.
1 Corinthians 15:56-57 KJV declares, “The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.” Sin is the sting of death. Christ conquered sin and put death in its place. Romans 6:23 KJV declares, “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
Our God is Life and has Authority over all the power of death. Matthew 28:18 KJV declares, “And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.” Christ is Victorious over all of the power of the enemy. Matthew 28:18 AMPC puts it this way, “Jesus approached and, breaking the silence, said to them, All authority (all power of rule) in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.”
Christ came to resurrect every part of your life and to snatch you back from the grip of the enemy. John 10:10 declares, “The thief comes only in order to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have and enjoy life, and have it in abundance (to the full, till it overflows).” Christ came to set you free. Christ came so that you can have life and life more abundantly. Choose to surrender to Christ and watch your life completely turn around.
Wholeheart
Member
And The Word Was Made Flesh.
“And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” John 1:14 KJV
The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us. The Word of God has all Authority and Power over all things. Jesus Christ was, and is, the Word of God in the flesh. He was, and is, full of Grace and Truth. For He is Grace and Truth. When the Word was made flesh and walked among us — He became our Living example. He lived out, and completely fulfilled, every aspect of the Word — because He was the Word of God made flesh.
John 1:1 KJV declares, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” John 1:1 AMPC declares, “IN THE beginning [before all time] was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.” Before time existed — Christ was. Christ existed before all the ages of the world. Before the framework of time existed — God was. Before the borders and boundaries of time were set in place — God existed.
In fact, Hebrews 11:3 KJV declares, “Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.” The worlds were shaped by the Word of God.
The Amplified Version expounds on Hebrews 11:3 AMPC in the following manner: “By faith we understand that the worlds [during the successive ages] were framed (fashioned, put in order, and equipped for their intended purpose) by the word of God, so that what we see was not made out of things which are visible.”
Christ, the Word of God, shaped every age. The Word of God formed, shaped, fashioned, equipped, and set in order every age of the Earth. So that means every age of the world submits to the Living Word of God — Jesus Christ. So not only is He the Resurrection and the Life — but everything in the Earth, everything below the Earth, and all of time, bows and submits to the Name and Authority of Jesus Christ.
Philippians 2:9-11 KJV puts it this way, “Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” Nothing stands above Him. No one outranks Him. No one outclasses Him — for Jesus Christ is highly exalted.
“And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” John 1:14 KJV
The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us. The Word of God has all Authority and Power over all things. Jesus Christ was, and is, the Word of God in the flesh. He was, and is, full of Grace and Truth. For He is Grace and Truth. When the Word was made flesh and walked among us — He became our Living example. He lived out, and completely fulfilled, every aspect of the Word — because He was the Word of God made flesh.
John 1:1 KJV declares, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” John 1:1 AMPC declares, “IN THE beginning [before all time] was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.” Before time existed — Christ was. Christ existed before all the ages of the world. Before the framework of time existed — God was. Before the borders and boundaries of time were set in place — God existed.
In fact, Hebrews 11:3 KJV declares, “Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.” The worlds were shaped by the Word of God.
The Amplified Version expounds on Hebrews 11:3 AMPC in the following manner: “By faith we understand that the worlds [during the successive ages] were framed (fashioned, put in order, and equipped for their intended purpose) by the word of God, so that what we see was not made out of things which are visible.”
Christ, the Word of God, shaped every age. The Word of God formed, shaped, fashioned, equipped, and set in order every age of the Earth. So that means every age of the world submits to the Living Word of God — Jesus Christ. So not only is He the Resurrection and the Life — but everything in the Earth, everything below the Earth, and all of time, bows and submits to the Name and Authority of Jesus Christ.
Philippians 2:9-11 KJV puts it this way, “Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” Nothing stands above Him. No one outranks Him. No one outclasses Him — for Jesus Christ is highly exalted.
civic
Well-known member
If He is still called Jesus then He is still human, a man since that is His human name.
Complete
Well-known member
'And there came a fire out from before the LORD,
and consumed upon the altar the burnt offering and the fat:
which when all the people saw,
they shouted, and fell on their faces.'
(Lev 9:24)
Hello @civic,
The words, 'accepted in the Beloved' of Ephesians chapter one, holds a special place in my heart: and it is the knowledge that it was the sacrificial offering of Christ on our behalf, which made our acceptance by God possible. He accepts us, 'in the Beloved', and without Him there would be no acceptance. For He is our offering for sin. The resurrection of Christ was the proof that His sacrificial offered on our behalf was accepted. As the fire that engulfed the sacrificial offerings made in the verse quoted above. Without the resurrection we would still be in our sins.
Just thoughts.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
and consumed upon the altar the burnt offering and the fat:
which when all the people saw,
they shouted, and fell on their faces.'
(Lev 9:24)
Hello @civic,
The words, 'accepted in the Beloved' of Ephesians chapter one, holds a special place in my heart: and it is the knowledge that it was the sacrificial offering of Christ on our behalf, which made our acceptance by God possible. He accepts us, 'in the Beloved', and without Him there would be no acceptance. For He is our offering for sin. The resurrection of Christ was the proof that His sacrificial offered on our behalf was accepted. As the fire that engulfed the sacrificial offerings made in the verse quoted above. Without the resurrection we would still be in our sins.
Just thoughts.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Johann
Well-known member
GREEK VERB TENSES USED FOR SALVATION
Salvation is not a product, but a daily relationship with God in Christ. It is not finished when one trusts Christ; it has only begun (a gate and then a road, cf. Matt. 7:13-14)! It is not a fire insurance policy, nor a ticket to heaven, but a life of growing Christlikeness (cf. Rom. 8:28-29; 2 Cor. 3:18; 7:1; Gal. 4:19; Eph. 1:4; 4:13; 1 Thess. 3:13; 4:3,7; 5:23; 1 Pet. 1:15). We have a proverbial saying in America that says the longer a couple lives together, the more they begin to look alike. This is the goal of salvation!
SALVATION AS A COMPLETED ACTION (aorist)
• Acts 15:11
• Romans 8:24
• 2 Timothy 1:9
• Titus 3:5
• Romans 13:11 (combines the aorist with a future orientation)
SALVATION AS A STATE OF BEING (perfect)
• Ephesians 2:5,8
SALVATION AS A CONTINUING PROCESS (present)
• 1 Corinthians 1:18; 15:2
• 2 Corinthians 2:15
• 1 Peter 3:21
SALVATION AS A FUTURE CONSUMMATION (future in verb tense or context)
• Romans 5:9,10; 10:9,13
• 1 Corinthians 3:15; 5:5
• Philippians 1:28
• 1 Thessalonians 5:8-9
• Hebrews 1:14; 9:28
• 1 Peter 1:5
Therefore, salvation begins with an initial faith decision (cf. John 1:12; 3:16; Rom. 10:9-13), but this must issue in lifestyle faith (cf. Rom. 8:29; Gal. 2:19-20; Eph. 1:4; 2:10), which will one day be consummated in sight (cf. 1 John 3:2). This final state is called glorification (cf. Rom. 8:28-30). This can be illustrated as
1. initial salvation – justification (saved from the penalty of sin)
2. progressive salvation – sanctification (saved from the power of sin)
3. final salvation – glorification (saved from the presence of sin)
1:4 "He chose us" This is an AORIST MIDDLE INDICATIVE which emphasized the subject's decisive choice.
This focused on the Father's choice before time. God's choice must not be understood in the Islamic sense of determinism nor in the ultra Calvinistic sense of "God chooses some versus God did not choose others," but in a covenantal sense.
God promised to redeem fallen mankind (cf. Gen. 3:15). God called and chose Abraham to choose all humans (cf. Gen. 12:3; Exod. 19:5-6). God calls all in Christ (cf. John 3:16; 4:42; 1 Tim. 2:4; Titus 2:11; 3:4; 2 Pet. 3:9; 1 John 2:2; 4:14). God Himself elected all persons. The believers' choice of trusting in Christ confirms, not determines, God's choice of them. God always takes the initiative in salvation (cf. John 6:44, 65). This text and Rom. 8:28-30; 9:1-33 are the main NT texts for the doctrine of predestination emphasized by Augustine and Calvin.
God chose believers not only to salvation (justification) but also to sanctification (cf. Col. 1:12)! This could relate to
our position in Christ (i.e., imputed righteousness, cf. 2 Cor. 5:21)
God's desire to reproduce His character in His children (cf. Eph. 2:10; Rom. 8:28-29; 2 Cor. 3:15; 7:1; Gal. 4:19; 1 Thess. 3:3; 4:3,7; 5:23; 1 Pet. 1:15)
God's will for His children is both heaven one day and Christlikeness now!
The PRONOUNS in this passage are ambiguous. Most refer to God the Father. This whole passage speaks of His love, purpose and plan to redeem fallen mankind. However, in context it is obvious that the PRONOUNS in Eph. 1:7, 9, 13 & 14 refer to Jesus.
SPECIAL TOPIC: YHWH'S ETERNAL REDEMPTIVE PLAN
SPECIAL TOPIC: HE CHOSE US
"in Him" This is a key concept. The Father's blessings, grace and salvation flow only through Christ (cf. John 10:7-18; 14:6). Notice the repetition of this grammatical form (LOCATIVE OF SPHERE) in Eph. 1:3, "in Christ"; Eph. 1:4, "in Him"; Eph. 1:7, "in Him"; Eph. 1:9, "in Him"; Eph. 1:10, "in Christ," "in Him"; Eph. 1:12, "in Christ" and Eph. 1:13, "in Him" (twice). These are parallel to "in the Beloved" of Eph. 1:6. Jesus is God's "yes" to fallen mankind (Karl Barth). Jesus is the elect man and all are potentially elect in Him (cf. John 3:16). All of God the Father's blessings flow through Christ.
Salvation is not a product, but a daily relationship with God in Christ. It is not finished when one trusts Christ; it has only begun (a gate and then a road, cf. Matt. 7:13-14)! It is not a fire insurance policy, nor a ticket to heaven, but a life of growing Christlikeness (cf. Rom. 8:28-29; 2 Cor. 3:18; 7:1; Gal. 4:19; Eph. 1:4; 4:13; 1 Thess. 3:13; 4:3,7; 5:23; 1 Pet. 1:15). We have a proverbial saying in America that says the longer a couple lives together, the more they begin to look alike. This is the goal of salvation!
SALVATION AS A COMPLETED ACTION (aorist)
• Acts 15:11
• Romans 8:24
• 2 Timothy 1:9
• Titus 3:5
• Romans 13:11 (combines the aorist with a future orientation)
SALVATION AS A STATE OF BEING (perfect)
• Ephesians 2:5,8
SALVATION AS A CONTINUING PROCESS (present)
• 1 Corinthians 1:18; 15:2
• 2 Corinthians 2:15
• 1 Peter 3:21
SALVATION AS A FUTURE CONSUMMATION (future in verb tense or context)
• Romans 5:9,10; 10:9,13
• 1 Corinthians 3:15; 5:5
• Philippians 1:28
• 1 Thessalonians 5:8-9
• Hebrews 1:14; 9:28
• 1 Peter 1:5
Therefore, salvation begins with an initial faith decision (cf. John 1:12; 3:16; Rom. 10:9-13), but this must issue in lifestyle faith (cf. Rom. 8:29; Gal. 2:19-20; Eph. 1:4; 2:10), which will one day be consummated in sight (cf. 1 John 3:2). This final state is called glorification (cf. Rom. 8:28-30). This can be illustrated as
1. initial salvation – justification (saved from the penalty of sin)
2. progressive salvation – sanctification (saved from the power of sin)
3. final salvation – glorification (saved from the presence of sin)
1:4 "He chose us" This is an AORIST MIDDLE INDICATIVE which emphasized the subject's decisive choice.
This focused on the Father's choice before time. God's choice must not be understood in the Islamic sense of determinism nor in the ultra Calvinistic sense of "God chooses some versus God did not choose others," but in a covenantal sense.
God promised to redeem fallen mankind (cf. Gen. 3:15). God called and chose Abraham to choose all humans (cf. Gen. 12:3; Exod. 19:5-6). God calls all in Christ (cf. John 3:16; 4:42; 1 Tim. 2:4; Titus 2:11; 3:4; 2 Pet. 3:9; 1 John 2:2; 4:14). God Himself elected all persons. The believers' choice of trusting in Christ confirms, not determines, God's choice of them. God always takes the initiative in salvation (cf. John 6:44, 65). This text and Rom. 8:28-30; 9:1-33 are the main NT texts for the doctrine of predestination emphasized by Augustine and Calvin.
God chose believers not only to salvation (justification) but also to sanctification (cf. Col. 1:12)! This could relate to
our position in Christ (i.e., imputed righteousness, cf. 2 Cor. 5:21)
God's desire to reproduce His character in His children (cf. Eph. 2:10; Rom. 8:28-29; 2 Cor. 3:15; 7:1; Gal. 4:19; 1 Thess. 3:3; 4:3,7; 5:23; 1 Pet. 1:15)
God's will for His children is both heaven one day and Christlikeness now!
The PRONOUNS in this passage are ambiguous. Most refer to God the Father. This whole passage speaks of His love, purpose and plan to redeem fallen mankind. However, in context it is obvious that the PRONOUNS in Eph. 1:7, 9, 13 & 14 refer to Jesus.
SPECIAL TOPIC: YHWH'S ETERNAL REDEMPTIVE PLAN
SPECIAL TOPIC: HE CHOSE US
"in Him" This is a key concept. The Father's blessings, grace and salvation flow only through Christ (cf. John 10:7-18; 14:6). Notice the repetition of this grammatical form (LOCATIVE OF SPHERE) in Eph. 1:3, "in Christ"; Eph. 1:4, "in Him"; Eph. 1:7, "in Him"; Eph. 1:9, "in Him"; Eph. 1:10, "in Christ," "in Him"; Eph. 1:12, "in Christ" and Eph. 1:13, "in Him" (twice). These are parallel to "in the Beloved" of Eph. 1:6. Jesus is God's "yes" to fallen mankind (Karl Barth). Jesus is the elect man and all are potentially elect in Him (cf. John 3:16). All of God the Father's blessings flow through Christ.
Johann
Well-known member
Don't forget to share links brother-I am learning a TON from you.Next to the Study of the nature and character of God ( theology ) my favorite topic is the Resurrection of Jesus which is at the very heart of the gospel and is why Paul spent the entire 15th chapter of 1 Corinthians explaining the doctrine.If Christ is not Risen from the dead ( Resurrected ) then your faith is futile and you are still dead in your sins. ( 1 Corinthians 15:17).
hope this helps !!!
J.
Johann
Well-known member
dwelt.—ἐν αὐτῷ is emphatic, in Him and in Him alone.—κατοικεῖ: “permanently dwells”. The reference is to the Exalted State, not only on account of the present, but of the context and Paul’s Christology generally.—πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα τῆς θεότητος: “all the fulness of the Godhead”. πᾶν is emphatic, the whole fulness dwells in Christ, therefore it is vain to seek it wholly or partially outside of Him. πλ. τ. θ. is not to be taken (as by Ol.) to mean the perfection of Divinity, i.e., ideal holiness. Nor can it mean the Church, for which Eph_1:23 gives no support, nor yet the universe, either of which must have been very differently expressed. The addition of θεότητος defines πλ. as the fulness of Deity. The word is to be distinguished from θειότης as Deity, the being God, from Divinity, the being Divine or Godlike. The passage thus asserts the real Deity of Christ.—σωματικῶς. This word is very variously interpreted. The reference is usually taken to be to the glorified body of Christ, or (as by Lightf.) to the Incarnation, and the word is translated “in bodily fashion”. Apart from the question whether the word naturally expresses this, there is the difficulty caused by the contrast implied in its emphatic position. This contrast is sometimes thought to be to the pre-incarnate state, but this has no relevance here. A contrast to the angels might be in point, but they were closely connected with bodies, so the contrast in this respect did not exist. But neither is Soden’s view that while the angels have bodies what is expressed in them is only θειότης (Rom_1:20) not πλ. τ. θεότητος, a tenable explanation, since this is just read into the words, not elicited from them; nor could such a distinction have occurred to the readers. This interpretation of σωμ., then, as expressing the indwelling of the fulness in a body, although said by Abbott to be “the only one tenable,” is encumbered with grave difficulties, and has been rejected by several commentators. Many have taken it to mean “really” (recently Bleek, Kl[12], Everling, Cremer). This is supported by the contrast of σῶμα with σκιά in Col_2:17, the indwelling is real and not shadowy or typical. But σωματικῶς could hardly express this shade of meaning unless the antithesis was expressed. Oltramare translates “personally, in His person”. But he quotes no instances of the adverb, but only of σῶμα. And Haupt’s criticism is just, that this sense might suggest that in God Himself it dwelt impersonally. After an elaborate examination of the various views, Haupt puts forward the explanation that σωματ. relates to τ. πλ. τ. θ., and is to be translated “in the form of a body”. The meaning he takes to be that the fulness exists in Christ as a body, that is as a complete and organic whole. This suits the context and the general argument better than the reference to Christ’s own body. In contrast to the distribution of the fulness among the angels, or to the view that it dwelt only partially in Him, Paul insists that all the fulness dwells in Him, and not fragmentarily but as an organic whole. This view, like Oltramare’s, is supported only by references to the use of σῶμα. This is not a fatal objectiön, and its harmony with the context makes it the most probable interpretation.
[12] Klöpper.
What I love about these exegetical commentaries is to note the various "views" from others on the same topic-glad to see you use this @civic
J.
Behold
Well-known member
You are teaching your self effort is your Salvation.
That is not the truth.
That's LEGALISM
Salvation, did not require you to believe it, or try to keep it, as it was FINISHED by Jesus on the Cross.... long ago.
Salvation was and is the Cross of Christ, that was given to this world as """"the Gift of Salvation""", 2000 yrs before you were born and decided to teach that your self effort is your Salvation.
Edit by admin
Last edited by a moderator:
Johann
Well-known member
Don't take a excerpt from my post and call me a heretic-you don't want to learn and many here are in disagreement with you, as I am.
J.
Behold
Well-known member
Last edited by a moderator:
Johann
Well-known member
Heresy in the Early Church by Harold Brown
"There is nothing new under the sun," the Preacher wrote (Eccl. 1:9). According to Professor Klaus Haacker of Wuppertal, Germany, one of the primary sources of
www.ligonier.org
Listen and learn-yes, you ARE inferring I am a heretic-on the other Forum and now here-don't waste my time since I am not here to show how "intellectual I am" but 18 inches down is what really matters-what I post is for the edification to others including me-boasting excluded.
Why don't you thank God for his chesed that YOU are here, on THIS Forum-we are not here "to do our own thang" but to glorify Jesus Christ.
Show some fruit and not what Hinei is saying.
J.
Behold
Well-known member
Edit By Admin
Last edited by a moderator:
Johann
Well-known member
Read the post again-it is going to end up like this-either you or me, or both will be banned.
SPECIAL TOPIC: GREEK VERB TENSES USED FOR SALVATION
Salvation (Greek Verb Tenses) -- Special Topic by Dr. Bob Utley, professor of hermeneutics (retired).
www.freebiblecommentary.org
Johann
Well-known member
Not playing the victim for you-I have posted and given you the podcast.
Behold
Well-known member
Have you not read that i dont read your endless cut and paste, and i dont watch the men you follow as your next leader?
I think you know this by now, as ive told you many times.. for about 2 yrs.
What i do with your cut and paste, is, i find the one sentence .....OBO... that you actually write, and just post that error and respond to it.
Nothing new.
So, expect it every time i reply to you.
civic
Well-known member
@Behold and @ Johann lets please stop the personal things in the posts and stay focused on the argument and not the person. I know both of you are more than capable of doing that with each other. If its not possible then maybe just ignore each other for a while until things settle down.
PS - I have to do that myself from time to time. A moderator yesterday in fact deleted several of my posts and I got a warning to stop the nonsense. So I'm including myself here since I'm guilty of the same.
hope this helps !!!
PS - I have to do that myself from time to time. A moderator yesterday in fact deleted several of my posts and I got a warning to stop the nonsense. So I'm including myself here since I'm guilty of the same.
hope this helps !!!
Johann
Well-known member
Brother-what I post is to glorify our Lord Christ Jesus and I won't "roll over" with this particular member-my salvation and eternal destination is ever before me and like I've said, I am here to learn.
I don't post everyday as you may have noticed.
All I have is Utley, Marvin and Robertson and a few exegetical commentaries plus the links you have shared.
I am trying to avoid this member and the fault is not with me.
SPECIAL TOPIC: GREEK VERB TENSES USED FOR SALVATION
Salvation (Greek Verb Tenses) -- Special Topic by Dr. Bob Utley, professor of hermeneutics (retired).
www.freebiblecommentary.org
The "contentious post"
Shalom
J.
Similar threads
