The Doctrine of God

atpollard

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“Over the years, I’ve had opportunities to teach systematic theology in a variety of settings, from seminary classrooms to university courses to Sunday school classes in the local church. But no matter where I’ve taught systematics, the first place I typically start is the doctrine of God. Theology, of course, studies God and His character and ways, so it’s appropriate to begin with a look at His nature and attributes before examining what the Bible has to say about redemption, the church, the last things, and the other categories of systematic theology.

Whenever I’ve taught the doctrine of God, I’ve started out with two statements that have seemed to fill many of my students with no small amount of consternation. It’s been my practice to tell them that on the one hand there’s nothing particularly unique about the doctrine of God confessed in the Reformed tradition of Christian theology. Presbyterians, Reformed Baptists, the Dutch Reformed, and other Reformed Christians affirm the same attributes of God that Lutherans, Anglicans, Methodists, the Eastern Orthodox, and Roman Catholics all do. There’s nothing radically different about our doctrine of God.

Yet, when those same students have asked me what’s the most significant distinctive of Reformed theology, I’ve said it’s our doctrine of God. Now, that does sound completely contradictory to my first statement, but I say that the Reformed doctrine of God sets us apart from other traditions for the reason that I know of no other theology that takes seriously the doctrine of God with respect to every other doctrine. In most systematic theologies, you get an affirmation of the sovereignty of God on page one of your theology text, but then once you move on to soteriology (doctrine of salvation), eschatology (doctrine of last things), and anthropology (doctrine of humanity), and so on, the author has seemingly forgotten what he said about God’s sovereignty on page one.

Reformed theologians, however, self-consciously see the doctrine of God as informing the whole scope of Christian theology. That’s one of the reasons why Calvinists tend to focus so much on the Old Testament. We’re concerned about the character of God as defining everything—our understanding of Christ, our understanding of ourselves, our understanding of salvation. We turn to the Old Testament because it’s one of the most important sources that you find anywhere in the universe on the nature and character of God. Reformed Christians tend to take the Old Testament very seriously because it’s such a vivid revelation of the majesty of God.

Just think of the key revelations of God in the Old Testament. In Isaiah 6 we find one of the most vivid disclosures of divine holiness in all of Scripture. Then, of course, there’s the Lord’s revelation of Himself and His covenant name to Moses at the burning bush that we read about in Exodus 3. That’s a must-read chapter for anyone seeking to understand God’s independence and self-existence. When I’ve sought a reminder of our Creator’s commitment to truth and His faithfulness to keep His covenant promises, I’ve often turned to Genesis 15, where God swears by Himself to fulfill His pledge to Abraham to give him innumerable descendants. And for a vivid portrayal of God’s unfailing, effectual love for His people—His bride—you can hardly find a better place to go in Scripture than the book of Hosea.

I could offer many more examples, but what do these episodes all have in common? These revelations of God all take place at various crisis points in the lives of God’s people. Both Isaiah and Moses were about to be sent on a great mission to proclaim the greatness of the Lord to hardened people. What did they need most at a time like that? Not a promise of success—indeed, Isaiah was told that his message would harden hearts (Isa. 6:8-13). No, what they needed was an understanding of the Lord’s character. When God wanted to give them assurance, He gave them Himself. The same was true of Abraham and Hosea. Humanly speaking, Abraham had little evidence to believe that God would give him many descendants. So, the Lord assured the patriarch of His faithfulness by committing Himself to His own destruction—an impossibility—should He not keep His Word. Hosea lived in a day when it seemed as if God had fully and finally cast off His people for their unfaithfulness. What hope could the Lord provide that He loved Israel with an everlasting love? It was the revelation of Himself as the Husband who is perfect in love and faithfulness.

Reformed theology’s doctrine of God and its emphasis on all of His attributes at every point in the unfolding of salvation sets it apart from other Christian understandings of the Lord. And our doctrine of God is drawn from Genesis through Revelation, from the Old Testament as much as from the New Testament. Why, therefore, wouldn’t we soak up the whole counsel of God and read both testaments with great devotion?”

- R. C. Sproul [source]
 
Just think of the key revelations of God in the Old Testament. In Isaiah 6 we find one of the most vivid disclosures of divine holiness in all of Scripture. Then, of course, there’s the Lord’s revelation of Himself and His covenant name to Moses at the burning bush that we read about in Exodus 3. That’s a must-read chapter for anyone seeking to understand God’s independence and self-existence. When I’ve sought a reminder of our Creator’s commitment to truth and His faithfulness to keep His covenant promises, I’ve often turned to Genesis 15, where God swears by Himself to fulfill His pledge to Abraham to give him innumerable descendants. And for a vivid portrayal of God’s unfailing, effectual love for His people—His bride—you can hardly find a better place to go in Scripture than the book of Hosea.

Ole R.C..........

Amazing man so full of himself...... so self serving....

It is difficult to deal with you because you always run away........

All this talk from R.C. and not one time is Jesus Christ mentioned. Not once.

Have you ever heard of a Theophany? When God by Himself swore , it was in the name of Jesus Christ.
 
There’s nothing radically different about our doctrine of God.

This is completely false and actually dishonest.

There is a very large difference under Calvinistic thought—God does not genuinely desire the well being of all his creation.

This is why Calvinists typically hesitate and choke to call God all-loving and all-good, and many refuse.


Calvinism alters two fundamental attributes of God:

1. It makes God less loving than he is.


Just as God is completely holy, completely just and completely powerful, so God is completely loving. The argument comes that God allowing a person to be lost that he could have theoretically saved, makes God less loving than he could be. But this is a wrong definition of love. Love does not mean that God does not have any other reasons or motives for doing something that might be stronger or more important to him than the love he holds for the lost. So whatever mysterious reasons God had for allowing people to be lost, does not override the truth that God genuinely loved those lost people; and to genuinely love is defined as genuinely desiring the well-being, which cannot be true of something you create for the intent and purpose to destroy. The character of God as revealed in Scripture is meant to help us determine things that might be harder to understand, and God is love and his tender mercies over all his works. This brings out an interesting point. Because unless everyone is OWED a chance under a so-called "Pelagian" type system, people will be offended. Since Calvinism and Arminianism share the belief that no one deserves the grace of God and all are born sinful and unworthy, both share the understanding that God is inherently offensive to sinful flesh, as Scripture very plainly reveals to us. So then, what is the difference between the two, if both have a so-called "mean" God?

— Under Arminianism God has a perfect attribute of love, is maximally loving and desirous for all to be saved, even though he does not owe it.

— Under Calvinism God has an imperfect attribute of partial love, only loving and desiring some to be saved, even though he does not owe it.

Thus for all God's attributes to be perfect—not just partially good, but maximally good—only the Arminian God is possible.

2. It makes God less good than he is.

Underneath all the secondary decrees and compatibilistic philoso-double speak Calvinism employs, is the unalterable logic God decrees all things. This means that however many "degrees of separation" you want to create in between the ultimate decree of God that something would be, and the enactment through external means to get to that decree, there is still underneath a chain from the decree of God to the fulfillment of God's decree that cannot logically be broken. This would indeed make God his own enemy and the author of all evil, purely by logic. Scripture tells us “the devil sows the tares," and "an enemy has done this," yet God would be the one essentially sowing the tares if Calvinism were true, the devil becoming merely God's agent. If God is any ANY way desiring ANY evil to ACTUALIZE rather than be a potential, evil is then God's primary desire, rather than secondary, and the devil is just doing God’s will, rather than being his enemy, with an opposing will. It is not being argued that God is morally obligated to be maximally good, rather by definition, God has self-defined as perfect in all his ways, and freely chosen to be maximally good, and thus, although God decreeing evil might be theoretically just and a measure of good, it cannot, by definition, be maximally good.

I believe we can make a strong cumulative logical argument from the attributes of God. I don't think any Bible-believing Christian can honestly say "God is partially X" for any other attribute and not feel a twinge of blasphemy inside—because God is perfect in all his ways, and whatever God is, is a good thing, it inevitably follows that for God to be perfect he must be each good thing to the greatest amount. Is God maximally or partially righteous? ...partially just? ...partially powerful? ...partially holy? ...partially pure? ...partially beautiful? ...partially worthy? ...partially omnipresent? ...partially self-sufficient? ...partially transcendent? ...partially infinite? ...partially faithful? ...partially perfect? Yet some don't blink an eye to claim God is not maximally loving or maximally good.
 
There is a very large difference under Calvinistic thought—God does not genuinely desire the well being of all his creation.
Did the Arminian God create all people (or is god only responsible for the existence of some of creation)?
Did the Arminian God create a hell?
Will the Arminian God send people to the hell that he created?
Does the Arminian God have a strange way of demonstrating His absolute infinite desire for the well being of all of his creation?

[Sproul was correct, you pay lip service to God’s sovereignty and then back peddle when you come to every other area (soteriology, eschatology, etc).]
 
[Sproul was correct, you pay lip service to God’s sovereignty and then back peddle when you come to every other area (soteriology, eschatology, etc).]

You cannot demonstrate any place I've backpedaled in these areas.

Stop your slander immediately.

If God has a strange way of showing love, SO WHAT. That's not for you to decide is a bad thing.

Who are you, O man.
 
You cannot demonstrate any place I've backpedaled in these areas.
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So whatever mysterious reasons God had for allowing people to be lost
... Translation: God is not REALLY 100% sovereign; God does not "cause", God merely "allows".

Underneath all the secondary decrees and compatibilistic philoso-double speak Calvinism employs, is the unalterable logic God decrees all things. This means that however many "degrees of separation" you want to create in between the ultimate decree of God that something would be, and the enactment through external means to get to that decree, there is still underneath a chain from the decree of God to the fulfillment of God's decree that cannot logically be broken. This would indeed make God his own enemy and the author of all evil, purely by logic.
... Translation: If God was REALLY 100% sovereign, God would be responsible for "evil".

QED:
Sproul was correct, you pay lip service to God’s sovereignty and then back peddle when you come to every other area (soteriology, eschatology, etc).
 
Will you now answer MY questions, or continue to ignore them and feign indignation?
  • Did the Arminian God create all people (or is god only responsible for the existence of some of creation)?
  • Did the Arminian God create a hell?
  • Will the Arminian God send people to the hell that he created?
  • Does the Arminian God have a strange way of demonstrating His absolute infinite desire for the well being of all of his creation?
[The point being, in case it was not obvious, that your objections against "Calvinism" are actually objections to the SOVEREIGNTY of God and apply to any non-Universalist theology.]
 
Will you now answer MY questions, or continue to ignore them and feign indignation?
  • Did the Arminian God create all people (or is god only responsible for the existence of some of creation)? yes
  • Did the Arminian God create a hell? yes
  • Will the Arminian God send people to the hell that he created? yes by their free will
  • Does the Arminian God have a strange way of demonstrating His absolute infinite desire for the well being of all of his creation? No He gives them free will
[The point being, in case it was not obvious, that your objections against "Calvinism" are actually objections to the SOVEREIGNTY of God and apply to any non-Universalist theology.]
See the red above answering 1-4

No Sovereignty does not mean meticulous control over everything but it does mean control of somethings. :)

hope this helps !!!
 
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