The Doctrine of Divine Simplicity

e v e said:
The overlap of heathen religions and their number zero with the West includes the overlap
of their buddhistic nirvana , a concept where God is nothing in eastern religions. This happened circa 1200.
Zero is a philosophy of the east. So, @Keiw1, I do not follow why you associate 0 with God.
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I didn't. Your inability to understand reality makes it seem so. The Holy spirit is not God-Jehovah is the only true God.
 
Keiw1 said:
Jesus has a God= before he came to earth=Psalm 45:7--On earth=John 20:17, Back in heaven=Rev 3:12
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We already addressed that

this you have not

And you still have not addressed

noted Greek scholars disagree with you

examples

THIS INTERPRETATION HAS THE SUPPORT OF A.T. ROBINSON, P.W. SCHMIEDEL, MOULTON, BLASS DEBRUNNER, DANA AND MANTEY, BRUCE METZGER, REYMOND ETC
The Granville Sharp Rule states, “When the copulative kai connects two nouns of the same case, [viz. nouns (either substantive or adjective, or participles) of personal description, respecting office, dignity, affinity, or connexion, and attributes, properties, or qualities, good or ill], if the article ho, or any of its cases, precedes the first of the said nouns or participles, and is not repeated before the second noun or participle, the latter always relates to the same person that is expressed or described by the first noun orparticiple” (Remarks on the Uses of the Definitive Article, 3).In simpler terms, the Granville Sharp Rule says that when two singular common nouns are used to describe a person, and those two nouns are joined by an additive conjunction, and the definite article precedes the first noun but not the second, then both nouns refer to the same person. This principle of semantics holds true in all languages. For example, consider this sentence:We met with the owner and the curator of the museum, Mr. Holton.In the preceding sentence, the definite article the is used twice, before both owner and curator. The curator is obviously Mr. Holton, but the owner could be a different person. Did we meet with one or two people? Is Mr. Holton the owner of the museum as well as the curator? The grammatical construction leaves the question open. However, the following sentence removes the ambiguity:We met with the owner and curator of the museum, Mr. Holton.In the second example, the definite article the is only used once, before the first noun. This means that the two nouns, joined by and, are both in apposition to the name of the person. In other words, Mr. Holton is both owner and curator. The Granville Sharp Rule makes it clear that we are referring to the same individual.Two of the New Testament verses associated with the Granville Sharp Rule are Titus 2:13 and 2 Peter 1:1. The KJV translates Titus 2:13 as, “Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of thegreat God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.” In the original Greek, the words for “God” and “Savior” are joined by kai, and the definite article ho is only used once, preceding “God”; according to the GranvilleSharp Rule, both God and Savior must refer to the same person, namely, Jesus Christ. The NASB 1977 renders the verse more literally: “Looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus.”Similarly, 2 Peter 1:1 refers to “our God and Savior Jesus Christ.” Following Granville Sharp’s rule, Jesus Christ is clearly identified as both “God” and “Savior,” another example of the Bible’s teaching of the deity of Christ. The grammatical construction of the Greek makes it plain: definite article + singular noun + copulative conjunction + singular noun = the same person.Though the Granville Sharp Rule may seem arcane, the concept has an important impact regarding Bible translation and our understanding of the nature of Christ. The New Testament passages where thisrule applies highlight the deity of Jesus Christ. He is more than the Messiah; He is God.Recommended Resource: How Biblical Languages Work: A Student’s Guide to Learning Hebrew & Greek by Peter Silzer & Thomas Finley

and you have already noted that calling Jesus the one lord does not stop the father from also being lord. So why would calling the Father the one god prevent Christ from also being God
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TomL said:
We already addressed that

this you have not

And you still have not addressed
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Jesus has a God, The Father does not have a God. There is only 1 God, thus if one has a God they cannot be God=1+1=2--so much for your scholars wisdom( or lack of really)
 
Keiw1 said:
Jesus has a God, The Father does not have a God. There is only 1 God, thus if one has a God they cannot be God=1+1=2--so much for your scholars wisdom( or lack of really)
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Jesus as a man has a God. But he is also deity - God

noted Greek scholars disagree with you

examples

THIS INTERPRETATION HAS THE SUPPORT OF A.T. ROBINSON, P.W. SCHMIEDEL, MOULTON, BLASS DEBRUNNER, DANA AND MANTEY, BRUCE METZGER, REYMOND ETC
The Granville Sharp Rule states, “When the copulative kai connects two nouns of the same case, [viz. nouns (either substantive or adjective, or participles) of personal description, respecting office, dignity, affinity, or connexion, and attributes, properties, or qualities, good or ill], if the article ho, or any of its cases, precedes the first of the said nouns or participles, and is not repeated before the second noun or participle, the latter always relates to the same person that is expressed or described by the first noun orparticiple” (Remarks on the Uses of the Definitive Article, 3).In simpler terms, the Granville Sharp Rule says that when two singular common nouns are used to describe a person, and those two nouns are joined by an additive conjunction, and the definite article precedes the first noun but not the second, then both nouns refer to the same person. This principle of semantics holds true in all languages. For example, consider this sentence:We met with the owner and the curator of the museum, Mr. Holton.In the preceding sentence, the definite article the is used twice, before both owner and curator. The curator is obviously Mr. Holton, but the owner could be a different person. Did we meet with one or two people? Is Mr. Holton the owner of the museum as well as the curator? The grammatical construction leaves the question open. However, the following sentence removes the ambiguity:We met with the owner and curator of the museum, Mr. Holton.In the second example, the definite article the is only used once, before the first noun. This means that the two nouns, joined by and, are both in apposition to the name of the person. In other words, Mr. Holton is both owner and curator. The Granville Sharp Rule makes it clear that we are referring to the same individual.Two of the New Testament verses associated with the Granville Sharp Rule are Titus 2:13 and 2 Peter 1:1. The KJV translates Titus 2:13 as, “Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of thegreat God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.” In the original Greek, the words for “God” and “Savior” are joined by kai, and the definite article ho is only used once, preceding “God”; according to the GranvilleSharp Rule, both God and Savior must refer to the same person, namely, Jesus Christ. The NASB 1977 renders the verse more literally: “Looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus.”Similarly, 2 Peter 1:1 refers to “our God and Savior Jesus Christ.” Following Granville Sharp’s rule, Jesus Christ is clearly identified as both “God” and “Savior,” another example of the Bible’s teaching of the deity of Christ. The grammatical construction of the Greek makes it plain: definite article + singular noun + copulative conjunction + singular noun = the same person.Though the Granville Sharp Rule may seem arcane, the concept has an important impact regarding Bible translation and our understanding of the nature of Christ. The New Testament passages where thisrule applies highlight the deity of Jesus Christ. He is more than the Messiah; He is God.Recommended Resource: How Biblical Languages Work: A Student’s Guide to Learning Hebrew & Greek by Peter Silzer & Thomas Finley

and you have already noted that calling Jesus the one lord does not stop the father from also being lord. So why would calling the Father the one god prevent Christ from also being God
 
TomL said:
Jesus as a man has a God. But he is also deity - God

noted Greek scholars disagree with you

examples

THIS INTERPRETATION HAS THE SUPPORT OF A.T. ROBINSON, P.W. SCHMIEDEL, MOULTON, BLASS DEBRUNNER, DANA AND MANTEY, BRUCE METZGER, REYMOND ETC
The Granville Sharp Rule states, “When the copulative kai connects two nouns of the same case, [viz. nouns (either substantive or adjective, or participles) of personal description, respecting office, dignity, affinity, or connexion, and attributes, properties, or qualities, good or ill], if the article ho, or any of its cases, precedes the first of the said nouns or participles, and is not repeated before the second noun or participle, the latter always relates to the same person that is expressed or described by the first noun orparticiple” (Remarks on the Uses of the Definitive Article, 3).In simpler terms, the Granville Sharp Rule says that when two singular common nouns are used to describe a person, and those two nouns are joined by an additive conjunction, and the definite article precedes the first noun but not the second, then both nouns refer to the same person. This principle of semantics holds true in all languages. For example, consider this sentence:We met with the owner and the curator of the museum, Mr. Holton.In the preceding sentence, the definite article the is used twice, before both owner and curator. The curator is obviously Mr. Holton, but the owner could be a different person. Did we meet with one or two people? Is Mr. Holton the owner of the museum as well as the curator? The grammatical construction leaves the question open. However, the following sentence removes the ambiguity:We met with the owner and curator of the museum, Mr. Holton.In the second example, the definite article the is only used once, before the first noun. This means that the two nouns, joined by and, are both in apposition to the name of the person. In other words, Mr. Holton is both owner and curator. The Granville Sharp Rule makes it clear that we are referring to the same individual.Two of the New Testament verses associated with the Granville Sharp Rule are Titus 2:13 and 2 Peter 1:1. The KJV translates Titus 2:13 as, “Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of thegreat God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.” In the original Greek, the words for “God” and “Savior” are joined by kai, and the definite article ho is only used once, preceding “God”; according to the GranvilleSharp Rule, both God and Savior must refer to the same person, namely, Jesus Christ. The NASB 1977 renders the verse more literally: “Looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus.”Similarly, 2 Peter 1:1 refers to “our God and Savior Jesus Christ.” Following Granville Sharp’s rule, Jesus Christ is clearly identified as both “God” and “Savior,” another example of the Bible’s teaching of the deity of Christ. The grammatical construction of the Greek makes it plain: definite article + singular noun + copulative conjunction + singular noun = the same person.Though the Granville Sharp Rule may seem arcane, the concept has an important impact regarding Bible translation and our understanding of the nature of Christ. The New Testament passages where thisrule applies highlight the deity of Jesus Christ. He is more than the Messiah; He is God.Recommended Resource: How Biblical Languages Work: A Student’s Guide to Learning Hebrew & Greek by Peter Silzer & Thomas Finley

and you have already noted that calling Jesus the one lord does not stop the father from also being lord. So why would calling the Father the one god prevent Christ from also being God
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Back in heaven ( Rev 3:12) at Gods right hand he has a God--so when is he God? And how can he sit at his own right hand?
1Cor 15:24-28--Jesus must hand the kingdom back to his God and Father and subject himself)))) = forever--when is he God?
 
Keiw1 said:
Back in heaven ( Rev 3:12) at Gods right hand he has a God--so when is he God? And how can he sit at his own right hand?
1Cor 15:24-28--Jesus must hand the kingdom back to his God and Father and subject himself)))) = forever--when is he God?
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Typically When the article appears before theos the Father is meant

The verse speak of Jesus sitting next to the Father

That is made clear here

1 Corinthians 15:24 (KJV 1900) — 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

You still need to address

John 20:28 (UASV) — 28 Thomas answered and said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

Titus 2:13 (UASV) — 13 Looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

2 Peter 1:1 (UASV) — 1 Simon Peter, a slave, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have acquired a faith as precious as ours through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

John 1:1 (UASV) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
 
TomL said:
Typically When the article appears before theos the Father is meant

The verse speak of Jesus sitting next to the Father

That is made clear here

1 Corinthians 15:24 (KJV 1900) — 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

You still need to address

John 20:28 (UASV) — 28 Thomas answered and said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

Titus 2:13 (UASV) — 13 Looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

2 Peter 1:1 (UASV) — 1 Simon Peter, a slave, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have acquired a faith as precious as ours through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

John 1:1 (UASV) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
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titus-and is a separator-- same at 2Peter
god at John 1:1 in the Greek lexicons. Not God.
Fact=Every Israelite who served the true God knew 100% God is a single being named-YHWH(Jehovah) And that the Messiah has a God=Psalm 45:7-- Companions at Psalm 45:7=angels
Thus the only explanation for Thomas is that he looked heavenward when saying my God.
 
Keiw1 said:
titus-and is a separator-- same at 2Peter
god at John 1:1 in the Greek lexicons. Not God.
Fact=Every Israelite who served the true God knew 100% God is a single being named-YHWH(Jehovah) And that the Messiah has a God=Psalm 45:7-- Companions at Psalm 45:7=angels
Thus the only explanation for Thomas is that he looked heavenward when saying my God.
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Nope Greek scholars which you are not refute that claim

Titus 2:13 (UASV) — 13 Looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

Grammatically and contextually, this is one of the strongest proof-texts for the deity of Christ. Sharp's first rule, properly understood, proves that the text should be translated "our great God and Savior" (cf. same construction in Luke 20:37; Rev. 1:6; and many other passages). Note also that Paul always uses the word "manifestation" ("appearing") of Christ: 2 Thess. 2:8; 1 Tim.
6:14; 2 Tim 1:10; 4:1, 8.

2 Peter 1:1 (UASV) — 1 Simon Peter, a slave, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have acquired a faith as precious as ours through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

Similarly, 2 Peter 1:1 refers to “our God and Savior Jesus Christ.” Following Granville Sharp’s rule, Jesus Christ is clearly identified as both “God” and “Savior,” another example of the Bible’s teaching of the deity of Christ. The grammatical construction of the Greek makes it plain: definite article + singular noun + copulative conjunction + singular noun = the same person.Though the Granville Sharp Rule may seem arcane, the concept has an important impact regarding Bible translation and our understanding of the nature of Christ. The New Testament passages where thisrule applies highlight the deity of Jesus Christ. He is more than the Messiah; He is God.Recommended Resource: How Biblical Languages Work: A Student’s Guide to Learning Hebrew & Greek by Peter Silzer & Thomas Finle

John 1:1 (UASV) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 20:28 (UASV) — 28 Thomas answered and said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

Thomas said to him and no one else
 
Keiw1 said:
Back in heaven ( Rev 3:12) at Gods right hand he has a God--so when is he God? And how can he sit at his own right hand?
1Cor 15:24-28--Jesus must hand the kingdom back to his God and Father and subject himself)))) = forever--when is he God?
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It's crude to put it that way...since God is His Father, and as such, Christf entirely free to act on His father's behalf, and is not a slave. Further, God loves His Son as much as His Son loves God... and they are basically indistinguishable. The slave mentally that creates "pecking orders" is entirely from Esau, and the satanic realm who created this current cosmos with Adam's help, after fall.
 
Your constant saying he has a god is just adhering to the satanic realm pecking order concept. It is really not something He or Christ think about. It's a weird ugly concept.
 
Also, there are mimics of God... and the satanic realm created such a good mimic that most christianity follows it!

So, no jehovah concept... anyway. Also the 'zero' concept (in this world, as a missing or void thing) is NOT Eden's.
I do consider jw as just one more mimic since it adheres to the kjv, a sorcery text.
 
TomL said:
Nope Greek scholars which you are not refute that claim

Titus 2:13 (UASV) — 13 Looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

Grammatically and contextually, this is one of the strongest proof-texts for the deity of Christ. Sharp's first rule, properly understood, proves that the text should be translated "our great God and Savior" (cf. same construction in Luke 20:37; Rev. 1:6; and many other passages). Note also that Paul always uses the word "manifestation" ("appearing") of Christ: 2 Thess. 2:8; 1 Tim.
6:14; 2 Tim 1:10; 4:1, 8.

2 Peter 1:1 (UASV) — 1 Simon Peter, a slave, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have acquired a faith as precious as ours through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

Similarly, 2 Peter 1:1 refers to “our God and Savior Jesus Christ.” Following Granville Sharp’s rule, Jesus Christ is clearly identified as both “God” and “Savior,” another example of the Bible’s teaching of the deity of Christ. The grammatical construction of the Greek makes it plain: definite article + singular noun + copulative conjunction + singular noun = the same person.Though the Granville Sharp Rule may seem arcane, the concept has an important impact regarding Bible translation and our understanding of the nature of Christ. The New Testament passages where thisrule applies highlight the deity of Jesus Christ. He is more than the Messiah; He is God.Recommended Resource: How Biblical Languages Work: A Student’s Guide to Learning Hebrew & Greek by Peter Silzer & Thomas Finle

John 1:1 (UASV) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 20:28 (UASV) — 28 Thomas answered and said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

Thomas said to him and no one else
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Many Greek scholars put a god at John 1:1--so one set of them is in error. And Facts prove 100% its the trinity Greek scholars who are wrong.
 
e v e said:
that's not true. His Feminine Spirit is definitely a living being, as is He. No zero here.
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Please share its name with us then. Father and son have personal names. And tell us why its never seen on a throne as Father and son are. And why The Father doesn't share honor or glory with the holy spirit as he does to the son? Why doesn't one have to know the holy spirit to get eternal life but have to know the Father and the son? John 17:3)
 
e v e said:
It's crude to put it that way...since God is His Father, and as such, Christf entirely free to act on His father's behalf, and is not a slave. Further, God loves His Son as much as His Son loves God... and they are basically indistinguishable. The slave mentally that creates "pecking orders" is entirely from Esau, and the satanic realm who created this current cosmos with Adam's help, after fall.
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The Father commands Jesus. I would say he is the Fathers slave. Jesus must obey his Father to remain in the Fathers love-John 15:10
 

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