The Cup of Suffering Bible Study

MatthewG

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Matthew 27:33 And when thy came to a place called Golgath, which means Place of a Skull, mentioned in Mark 15:22 Then they brought him to the place Golgotha, which is translated place of skull. John also documents in his shared gospel of Yeshua in Chapter 19, verse 17 saying They took Yeshua, therefore, and he went out, carrying his own cross, to a place called the Place of a Skull, which in Hebrew is called Golgotha.

The exact location of this place I do not know, however scholars make suggestions of where it could have been. Perhaps somewhere nearby outside the city of Jerusalem.

Matthew 27:34 they gave Jesus wine to drink mix with gall, and after tasting it, he was unwilling to drink. Once after having to carry the worlds sin on his back, through temptationsa and trials, here Jesus is given - wine to drink - which is mix with gall ( a mixation which makes the drink sour I think ), Jesus simple had a taste of what it was, and then he was unwilling to drink. The death of the Lord, was a fulfilling of a restoration of the mixation which Jesus had tasted. Bringing forth reconciliation not only for God's chosen people whom He started out with claimed the nation of Israel, which Joshua gave out all the territory assigned to everyone but the Levites. Jesus was coming to bring forth reconciliation to God for all the people of the world, and this would be do his drinking of the cup of suffering, which lead ultimately to the death of the Lord on the cross. This suffering was on behalf of his Father, and on behalf of the world as large as he loved all people, and desired for all to come but warned that not all would be willingly. It is said that even all the apostles but John died for their faith, ( I believe that John could have been taken up during the coming back of Jesus in his age that he lived in, which is just a side not and could be wrong.)

Welcome to this bible study, and hope you are able to find this useful somehow to you in understanding the cup of suffering - This will cover a small scale of verses, to look at and consider, if you would like to know more about this subject. Be encouraged to check out isolated verses and the verses around them too.

Cup of suffering,

Matthew 27: They gave him wine to drink mixed with gall, and after tasting it, he was unwilling to drink.

Job 9:18 He will not allow me to (a) get my breathe, but saturates me with(b) bitterness.
Job 7:19 (a) Will you ever turn your gaze from me, nor leave me alone until I swallow my spittle.
Job13:26 (b) For you write bitter things against me, and make me inherit the guilty deeds of my youth.

Psalm 60:3 You have (a) made your people experience hardship; you have given us wine to drink that makes us stagger.

While this is an isolated verse, it speaks to to me on how Yahava, was never favorable just to the Israelites, Yahava was fair to everyone, and everyone reaped from their own decisions, and because of those decisions, without repentances, hardships always fell upon them because of their heart and the wine which Yahava offers, is the death an dburial and resurrection of Yeshua, however, even in the Lords day, people were staggered by him as he lived.
Psalm 66:12 (a) You made men ride over our heads: We went through fire and water.
Psalm 71:20 (a2) You who have show me many troubles and distresses; will revive me against and will bring me up against from the depths of the earth.

Psalm 80:5 You have fed them with (a) bread of tears, and you have made them drink tears in large measure.
Psalm 42:3 (a) My tears have been my food day and night, while they say to me "Where is your God."
Pslam 102:9 (a2) For I have eaten ashes like bread, and mixed my drink with weeping.

Lamentations 3:15 He has filled me with (a) bitterness and has made me drink plenty of wormwood.

Jeremiah 9:15 therefore this is what Yahava of armies, the God of Israel says: "Behold, I will feed this people wormwood; and I will give them poisoned water to drink." (Psalm 80:5)

Matthew 20:22 But Yeshua replied, "you do not know what you are asking. Are you able to drink the cup that I am about to drink ? They said to him, "We are able."

Matthew 26:39 And he went a little beyond them, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, "My Father if it is possible, let (a) this cup pass from me, (b) yet not as I will, but as you will."
(a) Matthew 20:22
(b) Matthew 26:42 He went away again a second time and prayed, saying, "My Father, if this cup cannot pass away unless I drink from it, your will be done." Interesting that Jesus mentions the cup passing away, however only if he drinks from it.

Matthew 27:34 they gave him win mixed with bile to drink, and after tasting it, he was unwilling to drink it.
It is interesting, what Jesus said in the previous verse, and again here in his verse which reminds me of the first couple of verses, that were gone through. To me this mixation was symbolic for how the house of Israel was still very materially based, and causing much grief on their fellow peoples, and not helping, but instead domination took over Israel, and eventually it even lead to the death of the Lord Yeshua, just as the old prophets were killed by them when they had came around. Jesus having in my opinion tasted, and drank the cup of suffering willingly the moment he gave up the spirit, and called out to God, why have you forsaken me, and then dies on the cross, is the completion of the law, the prophets (after the coming back of Christ (which I do believe has happened today.) Yeshua, has had victory, and has allowed all people to have access to Yahava, by and through creation, and God's handiwork which is able to be seen every day, at least in my opinion which could be wrong.

Mark 5:26 and she had endured much at the hands of many physicians, and had spent all that she had and was not helped at all but instead, became worse.
A note here on this is, in that through worldly means, does not mean it will always lead to something becoming better, but it could become worse, while taking medications are okay, put trust in faith in Yahava, and continue to renew and seek out God in faith if you so desire to do. This also could be a seen in the picture of the Lord Jesus Christ, about his own ministry which had its own up and downs, from people glorifying, to people shaming him, and ask Yeshua continued along, the cup of suffering just continue to grow before him, and probably why he called out to God, to take it from him.

Mark 10:38 But Jesus said to them "You do not know what you are asking. Are you able to drink the cup I drink, or to be baptized with the baptism I am baptized?"


Mark 14:36 And he was saying, (a) "Abba! Father! all things are possible for you; remove this cup from me; (b) yet not what I will but what you will."
(a) Romans 8:15 For you have now received a spirit of adoptions as sons and daughters by which we cry out, "Abba, Father."
(b) Matthew 26:39

Luke 22:42 saying, "Father, if you are willingly, remove this cup from me, yet not my will, but yours be done.

John 18:11 So Jesus said to Peter "Put the sword into the sheath, the cup the Father has given me, am I not to drink it?


This is a lot of information to consider, is there anything that you would like to add if you have any insights.
 
Thought it would be a good idea to take some time on it, if you would like to share your insights later please do, thanks civic.
Jesus bearing God's “cup of wrath” and being despised and forsaken by the Father and Him turning His back on the Son is not found in Scripture.

In Matthew 26:39, Jesus says, "If it be your will, let this cup pass from me." Jesus tells us precisely what the cup was. It was the cup of his suffering, which meant that He would die an agonizing death as a martyr. In the passage below, Jesus told His disciples that they would also drink of the same "cup":

Matthew 20:17-
Now Jesus was going up to Jerusalem. On the way, he took the Twelve aside and said to them, 18 “We are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be delivered over to the chief priests and the teachers of the law. They will condemn him to death 19 and will hand him over to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged and crucified. On the third day he will be raised to life!”20 Then the mother of Zebedee’s sons came to Jesus with her sons and, kneeling down, asked a favor of him. 21 “What is it you want?” he asked. She said, "Grant that one of these two sons of mine may sit at your right and the other at your left in your kingdom."22 “You don’t know what you are asking,” Jesus said to them. “Can you drink the cup I am going to drink?” “We can,” they answered. 23 Jesus said to them, “You will indeed drink from my cup, but to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant. These places belong to those for whom they have been prepared by my Father.”

1 Thessalonians 5:9-For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

As we see above it was not the cup of wrath Jesus was speaking about but it was the suffering He was going to have to endure for our sins. God has not appointed us to wrath and the cup means the suffering of Jesus and that the disciples would also suffer death as martyrs. In fact, many scriptures testify that believers too will suffer persecution for being a follower of Jesus. Suffering persecution is a promise for a believer who follows Jesus, it is something we should expect to happen in our life.

2 Timothy 3:12- Yes, and everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution.

John 15:20
Remember the word that I spoke to you: 'No servant is greater than his master.' If they persecuted Me, they will persecute you as well; if they kept My word, they will keep yours as well.

Matthew 5:10 - Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

2 Corinthians 4:9- persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed.

hope this helps !!!
 
Thank you for sharing, however I do not believe the topic of 'cup of wrath' is similar to the cup of suffering, but idk. Some people believe that God poured out his wrath on his own son, I do not believe that personally.
 
It's definitely looks like a good study. I'll get into it today.

If we look in the Old Testament, we find that the metaphor of the cup stands for our lives, which can be filled with a variety of things.

Just found the above and it definitely looks interesting
 
It's definitely looks like a good study. I'll get into it today.

If we look in the Old Testament, we find that the metaphor of the cup stands for our lives, which can be filled with a variety of things.

Just found the above and it definitely looks interesting
Thank you for at least taking a look, Aeliana, and sharing.
 
I'm hoping this Thread will take off as it seems like a good study. I'm interested in hearing other people's opinions on this topic. Like Aeliana I did a quick search and came up with this.


JESUS IS ARRESTED

It is night-time. Jesus goes with his disciples to an olive grove across the Kidron Valley from Jerusalem. This is the Mount of Olives, a favourite place with Jesus, because it is away from the Passover crowds. Judas knows where to find them.

Judas brings a contingent of soldiers through the trees to arrest Jesus (18:1–11). These may be Roman soldiers who have been brought in to quell any trouble from the thousands of Jewish pilgrims. They are armed with weapons and equipped with lights, ready for a fight. But when Jesus says, ‘I am he,’ they recoil at his authority.

Jesus surrenders without a struggle. He is concerned to avoid harm to his friends. He is also stepping willingly towards the climax of his mission. This is the cup of suffering that he must drain to the dregs. His passion starts now.


The Bible Guide, Andrew Knowles
 
I'm hoping this Thread will take off as it seems like a good study. I'm interested in hearing other people's opinions on this topic. Like Aeliana I did a quick search and came up with this.


JESUS IS ARRESTED

It is night-time. Jesus goes with his disciples to an olive grove across the Kidron Valley from Jerusalem. This is the Mount of Olives, a favourite place with Jesus, because it is away from the Passover crowds. Judas knows where to find them.

Judas brings a contingent of soldiers through the trees to arrest Jesus (18:1–11). These may be Roman soldiers who have been brought in to quell any trouble from the thousands of Jewish pilgrims. They are armed with weapons and equipped with lights, ready for a fight. But when Jesus says, ‘I am he,’ they recoil at his authority.

Jesus surrenders without a struggle. He is concerned to avoid harm to his friends. He is also stepping willingly towards the climax of his mission. This is the cup of suffering that he must drain to the dregs. His passion starts now.


The Bible Guide, Andrew Knowles
Yes the cup of suffering He would face has several aspects to it including the atonement for sin, becoming a sin offering on our behalf, dying in our place as our substitute and being rejected by those for whom He died and suffered for on the cross. The cup also included the persecution, crucifixion, punishment and finally becoming a martyr. He promised His disciples that they to would also suffer the same cup with persecution and martyrdom.
 
'And He was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast,
and kneeled down, and prayed,
Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me:
nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
And there appeared an angel unto Him from heaven, strengthening Him.
And being in an agony He prayed more earnestly:
and His sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.'

(Luke 22:41-44 ESV) (Matt.26:39 & Mar.14:36)

Hello @MatthewG,

The Structure of the book of Matthew, shows the correspondence between the temptation in the wilderness (Mat. 4:1-11) and the agony in the Garden (Matt. 25:36-46. Both were an assault of Satan as shown in Luke 22:53 & John 14:30; and by the fact that in each case angelic ministration was given. (Matt. 4:11 & Luke 22:43) .

The agony of the garden was excruciating, to the extent that His sweat was as great drops of blood falling to the ground. If Satan could have caused His death, there, before the time of God's choosing, then the confirmation of the prophecies made concerning Him would not have taken place, and the sacrificial work which He had come to fulfill would not have come to fulfillment. This was what our Lord was concerned about, and not the death of the cross that lay ahead for Him. For it was for that end that He had come into the world. It was known since before the foundation of the world: and He Who said, 'No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.' (Luke 9:62), would not Himself draw back from performing the will of God for which He had come.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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