The Bahá'í Faith: Teachings, History, and Practices

[synergy]

We believe that Bahaullah, Muhammed and Jesus, just as all Messengers of God, died biologically and did not resurrect literally.
However, spiritually, they comfort our spirits with the very same eternal gospel.

Yikes! You said "Jesus ... did not resurrect literally". Look at the implications of that:

(1 Cor 15)
14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith.
15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised.
16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either.
17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.
18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost.
19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.

Do you want to be an accessory to all that?

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Contrary to what stands written @Pancho Frijoles. This is your word against the Scriptures. Shall I listen to you, or what stands written?

Baha'is don't derive their doctrine exclusively from the Bible.
So, when you say "Scriptures" we don't understand exactly what you understand.
To us, the words of Bahá'u'lláh are also Scripture.

In each successive revelation, certain concepts are explained by new Scriptures.

Let me give you an example:

In Genesis, God makes clear to Abraham that circumcision is a permanent covenant for him and all his generations.
There is no single verse in the Tanakh that says that circumcision will be some day in the future an optional or irrelevant thing to do.
However, in the New Testament, circumcision comes to be optional, secondary and even irrelevant.

How would you prove to a Jew that Paul was not violating the Tanakh if his epistles say something different from the Torah?

 

[synergy]

Baha'i Writings call Christ "Lord" several times, more than 50. Here are some instances:

The Lord Christ said, “He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father”—God manifested in man.​

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Look at the Gospel of the Lord Christ and see how glorious it is! Yet even today men fail to understand its priceless beauty, and misinterpret its words of wisdom.​

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When the Lord Christ came He spread the light of the Holy Spirit on all around Him, and His disciples and all who received His illumination became enlightened, spiritual beings​

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The two great apostles, St. Peter and St. John the Evangelist, were once simple, humble workmen, toiling for their daily bread. By the Power of the Holy Spirit their souls were illumined, and they received the eternal blessings of the Lord Christ.​

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When, as a Baha'i, I say "Christ is my Lord", what I mean is that I am being led by his gospel, his example, his mindset, his beauty, his love. Where is he leading me as a Lord? He is leading me to God. Everything in Christ is leading us to God.

So, "lordship", as understood in the Baha'i Faith, has nothing to do with the debate of the deity of Christ.

So since Lord = κυριος = YHWH and Adonai, then Jesus is YHWH (God).

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Yikes! You said "Jesus ... did not resurrect literally". Look at the implications of that:

(1 Cor 15)
14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith.
15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised.
16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either.
17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.
18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost.
19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.

I believe that Jesus was raised and resurrected, but not in the sense that he got veins, bones or kidneys, the need of oxygen or glucose.
I believe that what jeopardizes our salvation is to believe that Jesus is a defeated Messiah: that his Message and Kingdom is forgotten, irrelevant, a thing of the past. That is keeping Him "dead", in the tomb.

On the contrary, when we repent and live the new life of Christ, we are resurrected with him and sit with Him in heaven
Please look what Paul says in Ephesians 2:1-5:

And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you formerly walked according to the age of this world and according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among them we all also once lived in the lusts of our flesh, doing the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and we were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in sins, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and He raised us up and seated us together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

So since Lord = κυριος = YHWH and Adonai, then Jesus is YHWH (God).

I don't think that the term Kurios used in the New Testament equals Theós.
On the contrary, every single time (100% of instances) the authors of the New Testament had a chance to give the term "God" (Theós) to either Jesus of The Father, they gave it to the Father, giving the title "Kurios" to Jesus. 100% of the time.

In Baha'i Writings, the term "Lord" does not equal deity.
However, as Bahaullah has explained, it makes no practical difference.
If Christ is your Lord, you are being led to God.

It is impossible to accept Christ as Lord and not been led to God.
It is impossible to worship God without accepting Christ as Lord.

 

[synergy]

I believe that Jesus was raised and resurrected, but not in the sense that he got veins, bones or kidneys, the need of oxygen or glucose.
I believe that what jeopardizes our salvation is to believe that Jesus is a defeated Messiah: that his Message and Kingdom is forgotten, irrelevant, a thing of the past. That is keeping Him "dead", in the tomb.

Peter had the same attitude and Jesus called him satan for thinking that way.

On the contrary, when we repent and live the new life of Christ, we are resurrected with him and sit with Him in heaven
Please look what Paul says in Ephesians 2:1-5:

And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you formerly walked according to the age of this world and according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among them we all also once lived in the lusts of our flesh, doing the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and we were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in sins, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and He raised us up and seated us together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus

There is no forgiveness of sins without the Cross. What you're doing is running away from all the verses I quoted. You can't bury your head and say they don't exist:

(1 Cor 15)
14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith.
15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised.
16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either.
17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.
18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost.
19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.

 

[Johann]

Baha'is don't derive their doctrine exclusively from the Bible.
So, when you say "Scriptures" we don't understand exactly what you understand.
To us, the words of Bahá'u'lláh are also Scripture.

I understand that Bahá'ís have additional scriptures, but from a Christian perspective, the Bible is seen as the primary, complete revelation of God, especially with the New Testament establishing Jesus as the final and complete Word (Hebrews 1:1-2). The Bible doesn’t present prophecy about future 'Messengers' beyond Jesus, who is considered the fulfillment of the Old Testament. While Bahá'í writings interpret continuity through 'progressive revelation,' Christians would see this as diverging from the finality of Jesus' teachings.

I am the Bread of Life
Greek: Ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ἄρτος τῆς ζωῆς (John 6:35, 48, 51)
Jesus claims to be the true sustenance of life, satisfying spiritual hunger and offering eternal life. Bread, a staple in ancient diets, symbolizes this sustaining spiritual nourishment.

2. I am the Light of the World
Greek: Ἐγώ εἰμι τὸ φῶς τοῦ κόσμου (John 8:12)
Here, Jesus declares that He illuminates the truth in a world darkened by sin, guiding humanity out of spiritual darkness and offering the "light of life."

3. I am the Door of the Sheep
Greek: Ἐγώ εἰμι ἡ θύρα τῶν προβάτων (John 10:7, 9)
In a metaphor of protection, Jesus positions Himself as the entry point to salvation and security, allowing only those who enter through Him to find true spiritual safety.

4. I am the Good Shepherd
Greek: Ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ποιμὴν ὁ καλός (John 10:11, 14)
Jesus as the Good Shepherd conveys His care, guidance, and ultimate sacrifice for His “sheep” (believers), distinguishing Himself from false leaders.

5. I am the Resurrection and the Life
Greek: Ἐγώ εἰμι ἡ ἀνάστασις καὶ ἡ ζωή (John 11:25)
At Lazarus’s tomb, Jesus declares His authority over life and death, emphasizing that those who believe in Him will experience eternal life even beyond physical death.

6. I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life
Greek: Ἐγώ εἰμι ἡ ὁδὸς καὶ ἡ ἀλήθεια καὶ ἡ ζωή (John 14:6)
Jesus asserts His exclusive role as the path to God, embodying divine truth and the source of eternal life, essential for salvation.

7. I am the True Vine
Greek: Ἐγώ εἰμι ἡ ἄμπελος ἡ ἀληθινή (John 15:1, 5)
Jesus describes Himself as the source of spiritual life and growth for His followers, with God as the vinedresser, symbolizing the need for believers to remain connected to Him for fruitful lives.

I take the doctrines as recorded in Scriptures only-God-breathed D'varim to the whole world @Pancho Frijoles

Since you don't really rely on the Scriptures as your sole, primary source it sounds like this, progressive revelation.

The four traditional levels of Jewish scriptural interpretation are known as PaRDeS, an acronym for Peshat, Remez, Derash, and Sod:

Peshat (פְּשָׁט) – The straightforward, literal meaning of the text, focused on basic grammar and context without added symbolism.

Remez (רֶמֶז) – The allegorical or hinted meaning, where subtle clues point to deeper truths or teachings within the text.

Derash (דְּרָשׁ) – The homiletic or comparative meaning, often drawn out through interpretive methods like midrash, using stories or moral teachings to expand on the text’s themes.

Sod (סוֹד) – The mystical or esoteric meaning, delving into hidden, spiritual dimensions, often associated with Kabbalah and deeper metaphysical interpretations.

Together, PaRDeS provides a comprehensive approach to interpreting sacred texts, enabling multi-layered insights.

I pray you see the Light and not the messengers brother.

J.

 

[synergy]

I don't think that the term Kurios used in the New Testament equals Theós.

You don't think that YHWH or Adonai refers to the OT God?

On the contrary, every single time (100% of instances) the authors of the New Testament had a chance to give the term "God" (Theós) to either Jesus of The Father, they gave it to the Father, giving the title "Kurios" to Jesus. 100% of the time.

As for θεὸς, John declared the Word (the Preincarnate Jesus) in John 1:1 as being God, translated from θεὸς in Greek and from Elohim in Hebrew.

In Baha'i Writings, the term "Lord" does not equal deity.
However, as Bahaullah has explained, it makes no practical difference.
If Christ is your Lord, you are being led to God.

It is impossible to accept Christ as Lord and not been led to God.
It is impossible to worship God without accepting Christ as Lord.

It makes a massive difference as evidenced by the following:

(1 Cor 15)
14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith.
15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised.
16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either.
17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.
18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost.
19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.

 

[Johann]

I believe that Jesus was raised and resurrected, but not in the sense that he got veins, bones or kidneys, the need of oxygen or glucose.

In the New Testament, multiple passages affirm the bodily resurrection of Jesus with key Greek words and syntax emphasizing physicality and materiality:

Luke 24:39

Greek: "ἴδετε τὰς χεῖράς μου καὶ τοὺς πόδας μου, ὅτι ἐγώ εἰμι αὐτός· ψηλαφήσατέ με καὶ ἴδετε, ὅτι πνεῦμα σάρκα καὶ ὀστέα οὐκ ἔχει, καθὼς ἐμὲ θεωρεῖτε ἔχοντα."
Translation: "See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have."
Syntax: The phrase "σάρκα καὶ ὀστέα" (flesh and bones) emphasizes His physical body, distinguishing it from a non-corporeal spirit.
John 20:27

Greek: "εἶτα λέγει τῷ Θωμᾷ· φέρε τὸν δάκτυλόν σου ὧδε καὶ ἴδε τὰς χεῖράς μου· καὶ φέρε τὴν χεῖρά σου καὶ βάλε εἰς τὴν πλευράν μου..."
Translation: "Then He said to Thomas, 'Put your finger here, and see My hands; and put out your hand, and place it in My side...'"
Syntax: Jesus invites Thomas to physically touch His wounds, underscoring the tangible reality of His resurrected body.
Acts 10:41

Greek: "οὐ πᾶντι τῷ λαῷ, ἀλλὰ μάρτυσιν τοῖς προκεχειροτονημένοις ὑπὸ τοῦ Θεοῦ, ἡμῖν οἳ συνεφάγομεν καὶ συνεπίομεν αὐτῷ μετὰ τὸ ἀναστῆναι αὐτὸν ἐκ νεκρῶν."
Translation: "Not to all the people, but to us who were chosen by God as witnesses, who ate and drank with Him after He rose from the dead."
Syntax: "συνεφάγομεν καὶ συνεπίομεν" (ate and drank with Him) points to a physically resurrected Jesus sharing meals, a clear sign of bodily existence.
1 Corinthians 15:4

Greek: "καὶ ὅτι ἐτάφη καὶ ὅτι ἐγήγερται τῇ τρίτῃ ἡμέρᾳ κατὰ τὰς γραφάς."
Translation: "And that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures."
Syntax: The perfect tense "ἐγήγερται" (has been raised) emphasizes the permanent state of His bodily resurrection.
Matthew 28:9

Greek: "καὶ ἰδοὺ Ἰησοῦς ὑπήντησεν αὐταῖς λέγων· χαίρετε. αἱ δὲ προσελθοῦσαι ἐκράτησαν αὐτοῦ τοὺς πόδας καὶ προσεκύνησαν αὐτῷ."
Translation: "And behold, Jesus met them and said, 'Rejoice!' And they came up and took hold of His feet and worshiped Him."
Syntax: The phrase "ἐκράτησαν αὐτοῦ τοὺς πόδας" (took hold of His feet) signifies a physical body that could be touched and held.

Say what brother @Pancho Frijoles?

J.

 

[Johann]

Baha'is don't derive their doctrine exclusively from the Bible.
So, when you say "Scriptures" we don't understand exactly what you understand.
To us, the words of Bahá'u'lláh are also Scripture.

In each successive revelation, certain concepts are explained by new Scriptures.

Let me give you an example:

In Genesis, God makes clear to Abraham that circumcision is a permanent covenant for him and all his generations.
There is no single verse in the Tanakh that says that circumcision will be some day in the future an optional or irrelevant thing to do.
However, in the New Testament, circumcision comes to be optional, secondary and even irrelevant.

How would you prove to a Jew that Paul was not violating the Tanakh if his epistles say something different from the Torah?

I am reading your site, and it sounds like the Quran @Pancho Frijoles -just scribbling's here and there, --


Amos saith: “The Lord will roar from Zion, and utter His Voice from Jerusalem; and the habitations of the shepherds shall mourn, and the top of Carmel shall wither.” Carmel, in the Book of God, hath been designated as the Hill of God, and His Vineyard. It is here that, by the grace of the Lord of Revelation, the Tabernacle of Glory hath been raised. Happy are they that attain thereunto; happy they that set their faces towards it. And likewise He saith: “Our God will come, and He will not be silent.”

O Shaykh! Reflect upon these words addressed by Him Who is the Desire of the world to Amos. He saith: “Prepare to meet thy God, O Israel, for, lo, He that formeth the mountains and createth the wind, and declareth unto man what is his thought, that maketh the morning darkness, and treadeth upon the high places of the earth, the Lord, the God of Hosts, is His name.” He saith that He maketh the morning darkness. By this is meant that if, at the time of the Manifestation of Him Who conversed on Sinai anyone were to regard himself as the true morn, he will, through the might and power of God, be turned into darkness. He truly is the false dawn, though believing himself to be the true one. Woe unto him, and woe unto such as follow him without a clear token from God, the Lord of the worlds.

Isaiah saith: “The Lord alone shall be exalted in that Day.” Concerning the greatness of the Revelation He saith: “Enter into the rock, and hide thee in the dust, for fear of the Lord, and for the glory of His majesty.” And in another connection He saith: “The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose. It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the splendor of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the Lord, and the splendor of our God.”

These passages stand in need of no commentary. They are shining and manifest as the sun, and glowing and luminous as light itself. Every fair-minded person is led, by the fragrance of these words, unto the garden of understanding, and attaineth unto that from which most men are veiled and debarred. Say: Fear God, O people, and follow not the doubts of such as shout aloud, who have broken the Covenant of God and His Testament, and denied His mercy that hath preceded all that are in the heavens and all that are on earth.


But I have notice this--


There isn’t a specific Baha'i Bible in the sense of a Baha'i-exclusive scripture directly based on the Bible. However, Baha'is regard the writings of Bahá'u'lláh, the founder of the Baha'i Faith, as divinely inspired scripture, alongside the works of his son, Abdu’l-Baha, and Shoghi Effendi, the Guardian of the Faith. Baha'is also hold the Bible, the Quran, and other religious texts in high regard as part of humanity’s spiritual heritage. For Baha’is, the Bible is respected but viewed through the interpretive framework established by Baha'u'llah’s teachings.

The interpretive framework of the Baha'i Faith, known as "progressive revelation," views all major religions as part of a continuous, divine educational process. Baha’is believe that each messenger of God, including Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, and Bahá'u'lláh, brought teachings suited for their specific time and culture but all ultimately aim to guide humanity toward spiritual and moral maturity. This perspective encourages understanding previous scriptures through the lens of Bahá'u'lláh’s writings, which Baha’is regard as the most recent and complete expression of God's will for the current age.

This is where I disagree, respectfully. Why?

Seventh-day Adventists – Ellen G. White’s writings, like The Great Controversy.

Jehovah's Witnesses – Writings by the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, especially by Charles Taze Russell and Joseph Rutherford.

Christian Science – Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures by Mary Baker Eddy.

Mormonism (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) – The Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price, as well as teachings from Joseph Smith and other prophets.

Unification Church (Moonies) – Divine Principle by Sun Myung Moon.

The Family International (Children of God) – Writings and teachings by David Berg and successors.

Scientology – Writings by L. Ron Hubbard, including Dianetics and other Scientology scriptures.

Bahá'í Faith – Writings by Bahá'u'lláh, Abdu’l-Baha, and Shoghi Effendi.

Unity School of Christianity – Writings by Charles and Myrtle Fillmore, including Lessons in Truth.

Each of these groups has developed its doctrines through writings, considered authoritative, that often diverge from traditional Christian interpretations.

J.

 

[synergy]

In each successive revelation, certain concepts are explained by new Scriptures.

So what new concept was revealed from the NT to Muhammad's Quran? That it is now proper to slit people's throats?

 

[David Koberstein]

I am not, my friend. I believe in Him and love Him.

We believe that Bahaullah, Muhammed and Jesus, just as all Messengers of God, died biologically and did not resurrect literally.
However, spiritually, they comfort our spirits with the very same eternal gospel.


We worship only One God.

It is not foreign to me, my brother.

I believe that God loves you and saves you. I believe you will enjoy God's paradise forever.

First of all Bahaullah and Muhammed are NOT messengers of Adonai/God. That is heresy. Yeshua/Jesus is part of the Godhead and Trinity.
Yeshua was resurrected and sits at the right hand of Adonai/God. Unfortunately, your idol friends Bahaullah and Muhammed are dust under someone's feet. You are not comforted by any spirits, but your own paganism and hersey.

When, as a Baha'i, I say "Christ is my Lord", what I mean is that I am being led by his gospel, his example, his mindset, his beauty, his love. Where is he leading me as a Lord? He is leading me to God. Everything in Christ is leading us to God. So how can you say that you are being led by his gospel, when you don't even read the Bible (Gods Word) to find out what it is? The only thing leading you is your paganism and unbelief.
When you tell me your not a Christian, but you go about saying Christ is my Lord. Do you know how stupid and idiotic that sounds?
For Christ to be your Lord, you have to submit totally to Him and no one else. You also have to believe in your heart that Yeshua died/crucified for your sins and was resurrected on the third day according to the Scriptures. This is the only way of salvation and to enter the kingdom of God
when you perish. Your Baha'i false cult is not the answer, because its not from God. It's a man made religion thats spits in God's face with
its false narratives. Please get you a Bible and read the New Testament.
Shalom

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

You don't think that YHWH or Adonai refers to the OT God?

Yes I do.
I think that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is Adonai, the Father of Jesus and his God.
I believe that Noah, Zoroaster, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, The Báb and Bahá’ullah worship the same God.

As for θεὸς, John declared the Word (the Preincarnate Jesus) in John 1:1 as being God, translated from θεὸς in Greek and from Elohim in Hebrew.

In the Baha’i Faith, “The Word of God” is not the historical Yeshua of Nazareth, but God’s Word, Wisdom, Creative and Communication Power which is manifested in the historical Yeshua.

It makes a massive difference as evidenced by the following:

My post refers to the importance of believing in the deity of Jesus.
The verses you are quoting refer to the resurrection of Christ.
I believe Christ was raised from the dead.
I believe He was not defeated, forgotten, discredited nor disappeared. I believe He is alive and victorious and reigns forever.
I believe He has returned to establish his Kingdom.

You seem to suppose that if a person does not think that Jesus breathes, eats and drinks cannot be saved.
Is this what you suppose?

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Peter had the same attitude and Jesus called him satan for thinking that way.

Please post the passage where Jesus calls Peter Satan. Then re-quote my post.
Finally, please compare what Peter expressed with what I expressed. Can you share your conclusion of that comparison?

There is no forgiveness of sins without the Cross.

The Baha’i Faith does not believe that God requires any blood atonement to forgive sins.

What you're doing is running away from all the verses I quoted. You can't bury your head and say they don't exist:

Those verses exist.
I believe that God raised Jesus from the dead.
I believe God raised you from the dead, and made you sit in heavenly places with him.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

First of all Bahaullah and Muhammed are NOT messengers of Adonai/God.

I believe they are, for the same reason that you believe, for example, that Moses was a Messenger from God.
I believe it by faith, supported by my personal experience with the beauty amd veracity of their Message.

Yeshua/Jesus is part of the Godhead and Trinity.
Yeshua was resurrected and sits at the right hand of Adonai/God. Unfortunately, your idol friends Bahaullah and Muhammed are dust under someone's feet. You are not comforted by any spirits, but your own paganism and hersey.

When, as a Baha'i, I say "Christ is my Lord", what I mean is that I am being led by his gospel, his example, his mindset, his beauty, his love. Where is he leading me as a Lord? He is leading me to God. Everything in Christ is leading us to God. So how can you say that you are being led by his gospel, when you don't even read the Bible (Gods Word) to find out what it is? The only thing leading you is your paganism and unbelief.
When you tell me your not a Christian, but you go about saying Christ is my Lord. Do you know how stupid and idiotic that sounds?
For Christ to be your Lord, you have to submit totally to Him and no one else. You also have to believe in your heart that Yeshua died/crucified for your sins and was resurrected on the third day according to the Scriptures. This is the only way of salvation and to enter the kingdom of God
when you perish. Your Baha'i false cult is not the answer, because its not from God. It's a man made religion thats spits in God's face with
its false narratives. Please get you a Bible and read the New Testament.
Shalom

 

[synergy]

I believe they are, for the same reason that you believe, for example, that Moses was a Messenger from God.
I believe it by faith, supported by my personal experience with the beauty amd veracity of their Message.

Let's look at some of the "beauty" and "veracity" of the Quranic message in particular:

Surah 2:65 "And indeed you [Jews] knew those among you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath. We [Allah] said to them: "Be you monkeys, despised and rejected."

Surah 2:96 "And verily, you will find them [the Jews] the greediest of mankind for life and (even greedier) than those who ascribe partners to Allah [polytheists].

Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)."

Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush …"

Surah 3:10 "Verily, those who disbelieve, neither their properties nor their offspring will avail them whatsoever against Allah; and it is they who will be fuel of the Fire."

Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) …" Terrorism.

Surah 4:89 "They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected, and thus that you all become equal. So take not friends from them, till they emigrate in the Way of Allah. But if they turn back (from Islam) take hold of them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither friends nor helpers from them."

Surah 5:32 "...We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men..."

My question: So what is the mischief that justifies a Muslim State or Muslim person killing another human being in Surah 5:32? Could it be challenging the Quran as I'm doing now? Is it one bad word against the Quran? Tell me what's so divine about Surah 5:32 promoting the killing of a person who exercises free speech? Surah 5:32 is vigilantism if it’s for a person and pure Fascism if it’s for a State.

Surah 5:33 "The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and his Messenger5 and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on the opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter."

Surah 5:60 "Say (O Muhammad) to the people of the Scripture: 'Shall I inform you of something worse than that, regarding the recompense from Allah: those Jews who incurred the Curse of Allah and His Wrath, those of whom some He transformed into monkeys and swine, those who worshipped false deities [Hindus/Buddhists]; such are worse in rank and far more astray from the Right Path.'"

Surah 7:166 "So when they [the Jews] exceeded the limits of what they were prohibited, We said to them: 'Be you monkeys despised and rejected.'"

Surah 8:12. Your Lord inspired the angels: “I am with you, so support those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. So strike above the necks, and strike off every fingertip of theirs.”

Surah 8:39 "And fight them [the unbelievers] until there is no more disbelief (fitnah), and the religion will all be for Allah Alone [the translation adds: 'in the whole of the world'.]"

Surah 9:83. Have you not considered how We dispatch the devils against the disbelievers, exciting them with incitement?

Surah 9:123 O you who believe! fight the unbelievers who surround you, and let them find harshness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.

Surah 33:50. "O Prophet! We have permitted to you your wives to whom you have given their dowries, and those you already have, as granted to you by God, and the daughters of your paternal uncle, and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncle, and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you, and a believing woman who has offered herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desires to marry her, exclusively for you, and not for the believers. We know what We have ordained for them regarding their wives and those their right-hands possess. This is to spare you any difficulty. God is Forgiving and Merciful." (This is Polygamy)

Surah 47:4 "So, when you meet [in Jihad] those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly on them. Thereafter is the time either for generosity or ransom. Thus [you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out Jihad against the disbelievers till they embrace Islam] ... But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost."

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

First of all Bahaullah and Muhammed are NOT messengers of Adonai/God.

I am a Baha’i, my friend. They are Messengers of God in the Baha’i Faith.

That is heresy. Yeshua/Jesus is part of the Godhead and Trinity.

We don’t believe in the Trinity.

Unfortunately, your idol friends Bahaullah and Muhammed are dust under someone's feet.

I’m a Baha’i.
They are not my idol friends. They take me to God just like Jesus.
They are not dust. They all sore the same heaven ans sit in the same throne.

So how can you say that you are being led by his gospel, when you don't even read the Bible (Gods Word) to find out what it is? The only thing leading you is your paganism and unbelief.

I’m a Baha’i, David. Therefore, I do read and honor the Bible.

When you tell me your not a Christian, but you go about saying Christ is my Lord. Do you know how stupid and idiotic that sounds?

I’m a Baha’i, David.
Baha’is call Jesus Chirst Lord because He is.

For Christ to be your Lord, you have to submit totally to Him and no one else.

I submit to God, through Bahá’u’lláh. In doing that I submit to all Messengers of God, including Lord Jesus.

You also have to believe in your heart that Yeshua died/crucified for your sins and was resurrected on the third day according to the Scriptures. This is the only way of salvation and to enter the kingdom of God

My friend David: I’m a Baha’i. Our soteriology is different.

Your Baha'i false cult is not the answer,

If we thought Baha’i were a false cult, we wouldn’t be Baha’is.
It is the transformative effect of Bahá’u’lláh teachings in our lives and communities which testifies of their truth.

because its not from God. It's a man made religion thats spits in God's face with
its false narratives.

We believe those narratives are true and necessary for men in this era. That is why I am a Baha’i.

Please get you a Bible and read the New Testament.

Thanks for the advice. I have been reading them daily for years.

Shalom

Shalom, David.

 

[synergy]

I do read and honor the Bible.

It's either you honor the New Testament or the Quran. It's impossible to honor both because they are diametrically opposed to each other. Which one do you choose to honor?

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

The interpretive framework of the Baha'i Faith, known as "progressive revelation," views all major religions as part of a continuous, divine educational process. Baha’is believe that each messenger of God, including Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, and Bahá'u'lláh, brought teachings suited for their specific time and culture but all ultimately aim to guide humanity toward spiritual and moral maturity. This perspective encourages understanding previous scriptures through the lens of Bahá'u'lláh’s writings, which Baha’is regard as the most recent and complete expression of God's will for the current age.

This is where I disagree, respectfully. Why?

Thanks for the repectful question, Johann.
The answer is: Since it is the most recent, it corresponds to the needs of this era.
Each revelation has been the most recent and complete expression of God’s will for its age and particular purpose.
For example, Jesus promised a Second Comforter who would explain His Message so that it could be understood better. Otherwise a Second Comforter was not necessary. Thin about that: it would have sufficed to record the words and works of Christ.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

It's either you honor the New Testament or the Quran. They are diametrically opposed to each other. Which one do you choose to honor?

Remember that for Jews, the New Testament is not compatible with the Tanakh. They would ask you, synergy, to choose one.
For Muslims, I need to choose between honoring the Quran and the Baha’i Sacred Writings. Thousands of bahai’s have been arrested and killed in Persia for that reason.

I choose to honor the Tanakh, the New Testament, the Quran and the Baha’i Writings. Each in its context. All in my heart.