Runningman
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Disagreed.
I have a question. Why did trinitarians decide on their own terminology to use like "incarnate," "God the Son," "Trinity," etc.? Why do you not just use the words the Bible uses?
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I have a question. Why did trinitarians decide on their own terminology to use like "incarnate," "God the Son," "Trinity," etc.? Why do you not just use the words the Bible uses?
Peterlag
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A preacher told me Martin Luther would only allow the Catholics to use words that are in the Bible when debating with him.
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All Jesus was saying was that the Bible from the beginning is about him...
Not Abraham. The Jews picked up stones because they knew Jesus was saying he was the Messiah. Period. There's nothing else there other than the trinity spin.
Jesus had not beenclaiming to be God in the flesh and this is why the Jews never asked himat his trial if he was God in the flesh, but instead they asked himabout whathe had been claiming to be, which was the Messiah. Mark 14:61-62 recordsthe High Priest asking “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?"And Jesus said "I am.” The High Priest torehis garments and said he deserved to be put to death when Jesus statedhe was the Messiah. So we see that the Jews correctly assessed thatJesus had been claiming to be the Christ, and that Jesus indeed saidhe was the Christ, and also that the Jews thought his claim wasworthy of the death penalty.
Not Abraham. The Jews picked up stones because they knew Jesus was saying he was the Messiah. Period. There's nothing else there other than the trinity spin.
Jesus had not beenclaiming to be God in the flesh and this is why the Jews never asked himat his trial if he was God in the flesh, but instead they asked himabout whathe had been claiming to be, which was the Messiah. Mark 14:61-62 recordsthe High Priest asking “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?"And Jesus said "I am.” The High Priest torehis garments and said he deserved to be put to death when Jesus statedhe was the Messiah. So we see that the Jews correctly assessed thatJesus had been claiming to be the Christ, and that Jesus indeed saidhe was the Christ, and also that the Jews thought his claim wasworthy of the death penalty.
The purpose of this message was to provide pastoral encouragement to persecuted Christians by comforting, challenging, and proclaiming the sure and certain Christian hope, together with the assurance that in Christ they were sharing in the sovereign God’s method of totally overcoming the forces of evil in all its manifestations. Revelation is also an evangelistic appeal to those who are presently living in the kingdom of darkness to enter the Kingdom of Light.
17 The [Holy] Spirit and the bride (the church, the true Christians) say, Come! And let him who is listening say, Come! And let everyone come who is thirsty [who is painfully conscious of his need of those things by which the soul is refreshed, supported, and strengthened]; and whoever [earnestly] desires to do it, let him come, take, appropriate, and drink the water of Life without cost
Revelation 22:17
Background and Date. Evidence within Revelation indicates that it was written during a period of extreme persecution of Christians, which possibly was that begun by Nero after the great fire that nearly destroyed Rome in July of A.D. 64 and continued until his suicide in June of A.D. 68. In this view, the book thus was written before the destruction of Jerusalem in September of A.D. 70, and is an authentic prophecy concerning the continuing suffering and persecution of Christians, which would become even more intense and severe in the years ahead. On the basis of isolated statements by the early church fathers, some interpreters date the book near the end of the reign of Domitian (A.D. 81–96), after John had fled to Ephesus.
Occasion and Purpose. Under the inspiration of the Spirit and the Old Testament, John had no doubt been reflecting on the horrifying events occurring both in Rome and Jerusalem when he was given “the prophecy” of what was impending—the intensification of the spiritual warfare confronting the church (1:3) perpetrated by an anti-Christian state and numerous anti-Christian religions.
Jack W. Hayford, ed., Spirit Filled Life Study Bible
Peterlag
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17 The [Holy] Spirit and the bride (the church, the true Christians) say, Come!
Christians are not nor have they ever been referred to as the bride. Christians are referred as the body of Christ. Isreal is refrerred as the bride.
The book of Revelation does not teach that Jesus is God or even deal with Christianity. It's a book written in parables and figures of speech based on the customs and culture of Israel that deal with what will concern Israel in the future.
Runningman
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They should listen to their founding father.
Peterlag
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Nothing new here. Same deception then and now.
Peterlag
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Terms found nowhere in Scripture...
- Deity
- Co-equal
- Co-eternal
- Incarnated
- Eternal son
- Infinite son
- God the son
- One substance
- Persons of God
- God became man
- Eternally begotten
- Pre-existent Christ
- God the Holy Spirit
- Pre-incarnate Christ
- Three persons, three in one
- Trinity, Triune God, tri-unity
- Two nature's, Hypostatic union
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