Starts Now The Deity of Jesus Christ True or False?

[Keiw1]

We, who know the LORD = YHVW =The True Living Elohim = KNOW who HE IS = "IAM the Way the Truth and the LIFE"

YES = God's Name is in the Bible = It is the Name given to His only Begotten Son = YHVW YAHshua HaMashiach

Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name,
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth,
and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Yes-Lord---not LORD.

 

[DavidTree]

Yes-Lord---not LORD.

JESUS is the LORD of LORDS in Heaven = Revelation 19:16

JESUS is THE Lord in Revelation 16:4
“You are righteous, O Lord,
The One who is and who was and who is to be,

 

[Keiw1]

JESUS is the LORD of LORDS in Heaven = Revelation 19:16

JESUS is THE Lord in Revelation 16:4
“You are righteous, O Lord,
The One who is and who was and who is to be,

But LORD DOES NOT BELONG IN THE OT. What aren't you understanding about that? God put his personal name in every spot of OT where GOD or LORD was replaced against Jesus' Fathers will( Matt 7:21) Thus using those translations over the fixed translation is a serious mistake. ALL using the altered translations as main bible are being mislead. You best relook.

 

[DavidTree]

But LORD DOES NOT BELONG IN THE OT. What aren't you understanding about that? God put his personal name in every spot of OT where GOD or LORD was replaced against Jesus' Fathers will( Matt 7:21) Thus using those translations over the fixed translation is a serious mistake. ALL using the altered translations as main bible are being mislead. You best relook.

SAME YHWH/Lord in NT as OT

 

[DavidTree]

In his mother's sin he was conceived.

It's not like how you think. Jesus died and he didn't sin right?

In his mother's sin he was conceived.

Are you saying that JESUS was conceived in sin from Mary???

 

[DavidTree]

In his mother's sin he was conceived.

It's not like how you think. Jesus died and he didn't sin right?

In his mother's sin he was conceived.

JESUS or David???

 

[Runningman]

JESUS or David???

David's mother and Jesus' mother were both sinners, at least a little bit. Probably not grievously, I assume. We don't really know what bad they may have did, but we know that every adult aside from Jesus sinned.

 

[Peterlag]

JESUS is the LORD of LORDS in Heaven = Revelation 19:16

JESUS is THE Lord in Revelation 16:4
“You are righteous, O Lord,
The One who is and who was and who is to be,

The book of Revelation does not teach that Jesus is God or even deal with Christianity. It's a book written in parables and figures of speech based on the customs and culture of Israel that deal with what will concern Israel in the future. The words “I am the Alpha and the Omega,’ says the Lord God” are not a teaching on the trinity or that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God. These words apply to God, not to Christ. The one “who is and who was and who is to come” is clearly identified in the context as God, not Jesus Christ. Revelation 1:4-5 reads: “Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne, and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.” The separation between “theone who is, was and is to come” and Jesus Christ can be clearly seen. The one “who is, and who was and who is to come” is God.

The phrase “the Alpha and the Omega” has caused many people to believe this verse refers to Christ. However, study of the occurrences of the phrase indicates that the title “Alpha and Omega” applies solely to God. Scholars are not completely sure what the phrase “the Alpha and the Omega” means. Lenski concludes “it is fruitless to search Jewish and pagan literature for the source of something that resembles this name Alpha and Omega. Nowhere is a person, to say nothing of a divine Person, called "Alpha and Omega" or in Hebrew, Aleph and Tau.

Although there is no evidence from the historical sources that anyone is named “the Alpha and Omega” Bullinger says that the phrase “is a Hebraism, in common use among the ancient Jewish Commentators to designate the whole of anything from the beginning to the end." That would make the expression the figure of speech polarmerismos, similar to "and there was evening, and there was morning” which stands for the whole day in Genesis 1. The best scholarly minds have concluded that the phrase has something to do with starting and finishing something, or the entirety of something. Norton writes that these words “denote the certain accomplishment of his purposes; that what he has begun he will carry on to its consummation.

 

[Peterlag]

There's no Scripture in the New Testament written to Christians that says...

1.) Only God can forgive sins.
2.) Or only God could save man from his sins.

Now you can go ahead and continue to quote the Jewish Bible written to the Jewish people for the Jewish people. But the Christian Bible written to the Christian people for the Christian people does not have the Scripture that you try to say that it has.

 

[DavidTree]

David's mother and Jesus' mother were both sinners, at least a little bit. Probably not grievously, I assume. We don't really know what bad they may have did, but we know that every adult aside from Jesus sinned.

Do you believe that Mary's sin passed on to JESUS???

 

[DavidTree]

The book of Revelation does not teach that Jesus is God or even deal with Christianity. It's a book written in parables and figures of speech based on the customs and culture of Israel that deal with what will concern Israel in the future. The words “I am the Alpha and the Omega,’ says the Lord God” are not a teaching on the trinity or that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God. These words apply to God, not to Christ. The one “who is and who was and who is to come” is clearly identified in the context as God, not Jesus Christ. Revelation 1:4-5 reads: “Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne, and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.” The separation between “theone who is, was and is to come” and Jesus Christ can be clearly seen. The one “who is, and who was and who is to come” is God.

The phrase “the Alpha and the Omega” has caused many people to believe this verse refers to Christ. However, study of the occurrences of the phrase indicates that the title “Alpha and Omega” applies solely to God. Scholars are not completely sure what the phrase “the Alpha and the Omega” means. Lenski concludes “it is fruitless to search Jewish and pagan literature for the source of something that resembles this name Alpha and Omega. Nowhere is a person, to say nothing of a divine Person, called "Alpha and Omega" or in Hebrew, Aleph and Tau.

Although there is no evidence from the historical sources that anyone is named “the Alpha and Omega” Bullinger says that the phrase “is a Hebraism, in common use among the ancient Jewish Commentators to designate the whole of anything from the beginning to the end." That would make the expression the figure of speech polarmerismos, similar to "and there was evening, and there was morning” which stands for the whole day in Genesis 1. The best scholarly minds have concluded that the phrase has something to do with starting and finishing something, or the entirety of something. Norton writes that these words “denote the certain accomplishment of his purposes; that what he has begun he will carry on to its consummation.

The book of Revelation does not teach that Jesus is God or even deal with Christianity

Why are you on this forum posting such nonsense???

 

[Peterlag]

Why are you on this forum posting such nonsense???

I know many of you love the book of Revelation. But it is not a book written to Christians. it's concerning Israel.

 

[DavidTree]

I know many of you love the book of Revelation. But it is not a book written to Christians. it's concerning Israel.

More nonsense from you.
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Revelation opens in chapters 1-4 specifically to the body of Christ = The Seven Churches are Jews and Gentiles in Christ

Revelation closes with specific invitation to "whosoever" = Jews and Gentiles

 

[Peterlag]

More nonsense from you.
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Revelation opens in chapters 1-4 specifically to the body of Christ = The Seven Churches are Jews and Gentiles in Christ

Revelation closes with specific invitation to "whosoever" = Jews and Gentiles

There are no Jews and Gentiles in Christ. Such langues is not used in the Christian Bible.

 

[Runningman]

Do you believe that Mary's sin passed on to JESUS???

No, because as I said, sin isn't something someone inherits or contracts. Sin is not a disease, but rather a choice to break God's law(s). In your philosophy Jesus is a sinner though. That's why I am trying to get through to you even if on this point and nothing else. I hope today you can at least hear the truth about this.

 

[DavidTree]

No, because as I said, sin isn't something someone inherits or contracts. Sin is not a disease, but rather a choice to break God's law(s). In your philosophy Jesus is a sinner though. That's why I am trying to get through to you even if on this point and nothing else. I hope today you can at least hear the truth about this.

God Says that sin is a spiritual disease which has infected everyone and by which no one can escape.

Except One = the LORD Jesus Christ

All who are in Christ escape the Judgment of sin because HE made The Way where there was no way!!!

 

[Peterlag]

There is no debate possible with you trinity folks because you get to have it both ways. You get to...

1.) Make Jesus God when you think it fits the Bible verse.
2.) Make Jesus a man when you think it needs to fit the Bible verse.

God could not pretend to be a man to redeemed us. The devil would have called Him out on it if a man was required to redeem us and God tried to sneak in pretending to be a man.

 

[Runningman]

God Says that sin is a spiritual disease which has infected everyone and by which no one can escape.

Except One = the LORD Jesus Christ

All who are in Christ escape the Judgment of sin because HE made The Way where there was no way!!!

That's an excuse people use to justify their choices to break God's laws and deify Jesus.

 

[Runningman]

There is no debate possible with you trinity folks because you get to have it both ways. You get to...

1.) Make Jesus God when you think it fits the Bible verse.
2.) Make Jesus a man when you think it needs to fit the Bible verse.

God could not pretend to be a man to redeemed us. The devil would have called Him out on it if a man was required to redeem us and God tried to sneak in pretending to be a man.

That's why I call Trinitarianism the whack-a-mole cult. Just as soon as you knock down one of their heresies, up pops another heresy. When you finally knock down all of the heresies, surprise! All of the heresies pop up again. That's why nearly all of these discussions with them cover the same exact identical concepts... for years... It also won't change unless they change.

You can't defeat Christian cults using Scripture and the apostles couldn't either. The Trinitarians are only the largest of the cults, but there are dozens more where they came from, varying flavors, and styles of the same ideas.

It's just that some people are either unreachable or extremely difficult to reach, just like Jesus taught in the parables of the sower. I would add that, however, forums are notorious for having the most hardened and difficult types. These are people who already have their mind made up so thoroughly they want to make it their day job to debate this kind of stuff. Normal Trinitarians and non-believers are much easier to convert to Christianity in my experience.

My main goal at this point is not to convert anyone here, but bring them all under judgement so God can easier sort it out later. They would have possibly had an excuse if none of us had told them the truth, showed them the truth explicitly stated in the Bible, but we can take that get out of jail free card from them and we should! Ideally, it will result in repentance, but I'm not holding my breath.

John 9
39Then Jesus declared, “For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind may see and those who see may become blind.”
40Some of the Pharisees who were with Him heard this, and they asked Him, “Are we blind too?”
41“If you were blind,” Jesus replied, “you would not be guilty of sin. But since you claim you can see, your guilt remains.”

Rant over. Carry on with the debate.