Yes-Lord---not LORD.
Starts Now The Deity of Jesus Christ True or False?
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DavidTree
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JESUS is the LORD of LORDS in Heaven = Revelation 19:16
JESUS is THE Lord in Revelation 16:4
“You are righteous, O Lord,
The One who is and who was and who is to be,
But LORD DOES NOT BELONG IN THE OT. What aren't you understanding about that? God put his personal name in every spot of OT where GOD or LORD was replaced against Jesus' Fathers will( Matt 7:21) Thus using those translations over the fixed translation is a serious mistake. ALL using the altered translations as main bible are being mislead. You best relook.
DavidTree
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SAME YHWH/Lord in NT as OT
DavidTree
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Are you saying that JESUS was conceived in sin from Mary???
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DavidTree
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JESUS or David???
Runningman
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David's mother and Jesus' mother were both sinners, at least a little bit. Probably not grievously, I assume. We don't really know what bad they may have did, but we know that every adult aside from Jesus sinned.
Peterlag
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The book of Revelation does not teach that Jesus is God or even deal with Christianity. It's a book written in parables and figures of speech based on the customs and culture of Israel that deal with what will concern Israel in the future. The words “I am the Alpha and the Omega,’ says the Lord God” are not a teaching on the trinity or that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God. These words apply to God, not to Christ. The one “who is and who was and who is to come” is clearly identified in the context as God, not Jesus Christ. Revelation 1:4-5 reads: “Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne, and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.” The separation between “theone who is, was and is to come” and Jesus Christ can be clearly seen. The one “who is, and who was and who is to come” is God.
The phrase “the Alpha and the Omega” has caused many people to believe this verse refers to Christ. However, study of the occurrences of the phrase indicates that the title “Alpha and Omega” applies solely to God. Scholars are not completely sure what the phrase “the Alpha and the Omega” means. Lenski concludes “it is fruitless to search Jewish and pagan literature for the source of something that resembles this name Alpha and Omega. Nowhere is a person, to say nothing of a divine Person, called "Alpha and Omega" or in Hebrew, Aleph and Tau.
Although there is no evidence from the historical sources that anyone is named “the Alpha and Omega” Bullinger says that the phrase “is a Hebraism, in common use among the ancient Jewish Commentators to designate the whole of anything from the beginning to the end." That would make the expression the figure of speech polarmerismos, similar to "and there was evening, and there was morning” which stands for the whole day in Genesis 1. The best scholarly minds have concluded that the phrase has something to do with starting and finishing something, or the entirety of something. Norton writes that these words “denote the certain accomplishment of his purposes; that what he has begun he will carry on to its consummation.
Peterlag
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There's no Scripture in the New Testament written to Christians that says...
1.) Only God can forgive sins.
2.) Or only God could save man from his sins.
Now you can go ahead and continue to quote the Jewish Bible written to the Jewish people for the Jewish people. But the Christian Bible written to the Christian people for the Christian people does not have the Scripture that you try to say that it has.
1.) Only God can forgive sins.
2.) Or only God could save man from his sins.
Now you can go ahead and continue to quote the Jewish Bible written to the Jewish people for the Jewish people. But the Christian Bible written to the Christian people for the Christian people does not have the Scripture that you try to say that it has.
DavidTree
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Do you believe that Mary's sin passed on to JESUS???
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Peterlag
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I know many of you love the book of Revelation. But it is not a book written to Christians. it's concerning Israel.
DavidTree
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More nonsense from you.
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Revelation opens in chapters 1-4 specifically to the body of Christ = The Seven Churches are Jews and Gentiles in Christ
Revelation closes with specific invitation to "whosoever" = Jews and Gentiles
Peterlag
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There are no Jews and Gentiles in Christ. Such langues is not used in the Christian Bible.
Runningman
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No, because as I said, sin isn't something someone inherits or contracts. Sin is not a disease, but rather a choice to break God's law(s). In your philosophy Jesus is a sinner though. That's why I am trying to get through to you even if on this point and nothing else. I hope today you can at least hear the truth about this.
DavidTree
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God Says that sin is a spiritual disease which has infected everyone and by which no one can escape.
Except One = the LORD Jesus Christ
All who are in Christ escape the Judgment of sin because HE made The Way where there was no way!!!
Peterlag
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There is no debate possible with you trinity folks because you get to have it both ways. You get to...
1.) Make Jesus God when you think it fits the Bible verse.
2.) Make Jesus a man when you think it needs to fit the Bible verse.
God could not pretend to be a man to redeemed us. The devil would have called Him out on it if a man was required to redeem us and God tried to sneak in pretending to be a man.
1.) Make Jesus God when you think it fits the Bible verse.
2.) Make Jesus a man when you think it needs to fit the Bible verse.
God could not pretend to be a man to redeemed us. The devil would have called Him out on it if a man was required to redeem us and God tried to sneak in pretending to be a man.
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