Romans 5:12-21

[Olde Tymer]

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The so-called "original sin" is commonly believed to be inherited from one's natural
father. Oh? From whence did Eve get it?

She was fully formed and constructed with material taken from Adam's body prior
to his tasting the forbidden fruit so it was too late for him to pass his mistake on to
her by means of heredity.

Note the grammatical tense of the verse below-- it's past tense rather than either
present or future; indicating that Adam's entire posterity was slammed in real time,
i.e. we were all tainted with his sin the very moment Adam took the first bite-- no
delay and no waiting period.

● Rom 5:12 . .Through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin,
and so death spread to all men, because all sinned.

FAQ: Did Jesus' virgin conception insulate him from the original sin?

REPLY: No.

FAQ: Why not?

REPLY: Jesus was conceived in his mother's womb rather than implanted; meaning
of course that Mary was baby Jesus' natural mother rather than his surrogate mother.

Plus: it's easily proven that Jesus was one of David's natural descendants, and just
as easily proven that David was one of Adam's natural descendants.

* Quite a few Christians don't want Jesus to be biologically related to Adam, but
there is just no getting out of it.

FAQ: Wasn't Adam's mistake a sin unto Hell?

REPLY: No; the appropriate retribution for Adam tasting the forbidden fruit was
just simply his loss of immortality. In other words: had Jesus not been crucified
he would've eventually died of some other cause.
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[Olde Tymer]

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● Gen 2:25 . .The man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.

● Gen 3:6 . .When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and
pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate
it.

● Gen 3:6-7 . . She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate
it. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked;
so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

In the past, I was confident that the chemistry of the forbidden fruit had something
to do with the first couple's altered moral perception; but now I seriously doubt it
because the woman was first to eat the fruit, and when she did, nothing happened.
She remained just as shameless in the buff as before. It wasn't till Adam tasted the
fruit that she began to feel exposed; so I'm pretty sure that the underlying cause is
far more serious than something they ate.

FAQ: If the woman's transformation wasn't due to the fruit, nor due to heredity, then
what?

REPLY: Well; obviously the Serpent did it to her, a.k.a. the Devil (Rev 20:2)
The ruler of the kingdom of the air-- i.e. the spirit world --has the power of death
(Heb 2:14) and the ability to tamper with the human body and the human mind in
ways not easily detected. (e.g. Luke 13:16, Mark 5:1-5, and Eph 2:2)

The Serpent was apparently all set and ready to get busy the moment that Adam
crossed the line and ate that fruit. It amazes me how quickly things began to happen.
Not long after Adam tasted the fruit, he and his wife both immediately set to work
cobbling together some rudimentary aprons to cover up their pelvic areas.

FAQ: Why wasn't the woman's moral perception altered when she tasted the
forbidden fruit?

REPLY: It was apparently God's decision that if sin and death were to come into the
world, they would come via a lone male's actions just as life and righteousness
would later be offered to the world via a lone male's actions. (Rom 5:12-21)

FAQ: When does the Serpent go to work on people. . . in the womb or out of the
womb?

REPLY: Adam and his wife demonstrate that it can be done on adults, but I'm
guessing that for most of us it's in the womb; and if not in the womb, then certainly
no later than when we're born. (Ps 51:5 & Ps 58:3)

So then: even if Joseph had fathered baby Jesus, the child wouldn't have
necessarily been born with the so-called fallen nature because it isn't inherited from
one's father nor one's mother. It's obtained from humanity's covert parent: the
Devil-- ergo: protecting baby Jesus from the so-called fallen nature was just a
simple matter of keeping the Devil's paws off him. (Luke 1:35 & 1John 3:9)

FAQ: No fair! Why are the rest of us allowed to be tampered by the Devil and
not him?

REPLY: Jesus is God's lamb of choice to atone for the sins of the world. (Matt 1:21)
He had to be a better man than his ancestors in order to succeed.

● 1Pet 1:18-20 . .You know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or
gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from
your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or
defect. He was chosen before the creation of the world.
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[Olde Tymer]

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FAQ: How can Rom 5:12-21 be valid when the Bible says a man's children are
not held accountable for his mistakes? For example:

"The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the
father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son." (Ezek 18:20)

REPLY: The secret to this is simply timing. According to Deut 5:2-4, Rom 4:15,
Rom 5:13, and Gal 3:17; the laws of God-- especially His codified rules and
regulations --are not enforced ex post facto, viz: they aren't retroactive.
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[Olde Tymer]

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Romans 5:12-21 explains why everyone unified with Adam has to die; but that's only
half its purpose. It also serves to explain why everyone unified with Christ will live
forever.

In a nutshell: were Jesus subpoenaed to appear before the great white throne
event depicted by Rev 20:11-15, he would walk away acquitted because Jesus
never once committed a personal sin of his own to answer for. (John 8:29, 2Cor
5:21, Heb 4:15, 1Pet 2:22)

In point of fact, it was impossible for Jesus to commit a personal sin of his own.

● 1John 3:9 . . No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in
him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Now; I haven't a clue how God pulls this off without cooking the books, but
according to Rom 5:12-21 He has a way to credit folks with His son's sinless
perfection so that they too can walk away from the great white throne acquitted.

* Acquittal can be defined as an adjudication of innocence due to a lack of evidence
to convict.

There are men going about identifying as women so they can compete with women
in women's sports. Of course they are not really women, i.e. they're artificial
women, viz: fakes. Well; in a manner of speaking, folks unified with Christ have a
God-given mandate to identify with His son as 100% perfectly sinless creatures
though on a personal level they are definitely not so.

● 1John 1:8-10 . . If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the
truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our
sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned,
we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

FAQ: How can folks unified with Christ be credited with his righteousness when the
Bible says otherwise? For example:

"The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the
wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him." (Ezek 18:20)

REPLY: The secret to this is simply timing. According to Deut 5:2-4, Rom 4:15,
Rom 5:13, and Gal 3:17; the laws of God-- especially His codified rules and
regulations --are not enforced ex post facto, viz: they aren't retroactive.

This is especially applicable to Christ because he was designated, and scheduled, to
die for the sins of the world before the world existed. (1Pet 1:18-21 & Rev 13:8)

Also: everyone who would eventually unify with Christ was foreseen and tagged
very early-on. (Rom 8:29-30 & Eph 1:4-5)
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[jeremiah1five]

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The so-called "original sin" is commonly believed to be inherited from one's natural
father. Oh? From whence did Eve get it?

She was fully formed and constructed with material taken from Adam's body prior
to his tasting the forbidden fruit so it was too late for him to pass his mistake on to
her by means of heredity.

Note the grammatical tense of the verse below-- it's past tense rather than either
present or future; indicating that Adam's entire posterity was slammed in real time,
i.e. we were all tainted with his sin the very moment Adam took the first bite-- no
delay and no waiting period.

● Rom 5:12 . .Through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin,
and so death spread to all men, because all sinned.

FAQ: Did Jesus' virgin conception insulate him from the original sin?

REPLY: No.

FAQ: Why not?

REPLY: Jesus was conceived in his mother's womb rather than implanted; meaning
of course that Mary was baby Jesus' natural mother rather than his surrogate mother.

Plus: it's easily proven that Jesus was one of David's natural descendants, and just
as easily proven that David was one of Adam's natural descendants.

* Quite a few Christians don't want Jesus to be biologically related to Adam, but
there is just no getting out of it.

FAQ: Wasn't Adam's mistake a sin unto Hell?

REPLY: No; the appropriate retribution for Adam tasting the forbidden fruit was
just simply his loss of immortality. In other words: had Jesus not been crucified
he would've eventually died of some other cause.
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Whether they ate from the forbidden tree or not both the man and woman would have died at the proper time. They were not created immortal to begin with. Neither the man nor the woman possessed any Deific Attributes of God.
They were both created sinful and missing the mark of the glory of God. They were created fallen short of God's glory.
There is only ONE God, there is NONE like Him, and He gives His glory to NO ONE, as says Isaiah the prophet.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

To understand the epistle to Romans, it is important to understand the context.
Converts of Jewish and Gentile background were despising each other. Division in the primitive church was a big concern for Paul.

It was crucial for those of Jewish origin to understand that being "children of Abraham" did not place them in a better spiritual condition, because everyone was descendant of Adam, and therefore, everyone was in need of salvation .

What then? Are we better than they? No, not at all. For we have already charged that both Jews and Gentiles are all under sin. (Rom 3:9)

As a Jew and a Pharisee, Paul knew that every man is responsible for his own sin, and that's why he states "because all sinned" (ie, "Don't blame Adam for the consequences of your own faults.")
So, Paul was not talking about individual responsibility for individual sins, but about our shared condition as humans who commit sin and are held responsible for them.
Pau is basically saying: "All of you, whatever your ethnicity, is a descendant of Adam. All of you need what Christ offers. Stop bullying one another with your nonsense."

 

[Olde Tymer]

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FAQ: I am interested in unifying with Christ so I can become accredited with his
righteousness. How do I go about this?

REPLY: I suggest folks begin by opening a line of forthright communication with God
because according to 2Cor 5:19-21 He's been waiting to hear from you.

Find some privacy, anywhere will do. Cover your face with your hands-- it will give
you a sense of connection --and in your own words; tell God you haven't measured
up to His expectations and are pretty sure you never will. Then tell God you would
like to take advantage of His son's death as an atonement to protect yourself from
retribution.
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