Right Faith..vs Wrong Faith

[TomL]

He is a Unitarian

Yes. So the question was posted what do you do with this

John 1:1–18 (KJV 1900) — 1 IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. 18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

 

[TomL]

David and I understand. "The LORD" said unto "my Lord", Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Jesus confirms our understanding as well.

John 17: 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know "thee" the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

And again,

John 20: 17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Shall I reject His Words because another voice in the garden God placed me in, "who professes to know God" doesn't believe them?

Did God not call and send His Son from the foundation of the world?

Gen. 1: 3 And "God" said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

Is HE not the Rock, the Holy One of Israel?

Is. 48: 16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; "I have not spoken in secret" from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now "the Lord GOD", and his Spirit, "hath sent me".

17Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

18 O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:


So then, the Judgments of God, Statutes of God, Commandments and Laws of God, were created by the Holy One of Israel, the Light of this world for Him and by Him, to teach me in the way that I should go.

Shall I not then, if I say I believe in Him, not walk even as He walked, as the scriptures also teach?

1 John 2: 6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so "to walk", even as he walked.

And if I become a "Doer" of the Christ's Saying, and not a hearer only, how will I be received by the religions of this world? Will they not ridicule me, call me a "Judaizing legalist who denies the Christ", as they accused Paul and Jesus of teaching against God's very own Laws?

Jesus said they would. And I am a witness that His Word is true.

Um that did not address

John 1:1–18 (KJV 1900) — 1 IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. 18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Jesus was both man and God

all your verse can be addressed according to his humanity

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[civic]

Um that did not address

John 1:1–18 (KJV 1900) — 1 IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. 18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Jesus was both man and God

all your verse can be addressed according to his humanity

m

Yes totally evasive and dodging John’s prologue

 

[Studyman]

You preach falsehoods about Christ the one and only Savior of the world. The Father is not the Savior, the Son is and you deny Him. He is the one that eternal life is found in and the source of life ( John 1:4).

You religion is chaos and hypocrisy, AKA Babylon. You preach Jesus is the permanent God, and yet if a man believes God and abides by His Instructions, you call it a false gospel and those who live by His Word's as Legalist. You preach the Father in not the Savior, and yet the Father SENT the Jesus "of the Bible" to save me.

I post Jesus' Own Words in which HE tells me. "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

But if a man believes in these Words, you preach to the world that HE denies Jesus.

And again;

And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

This happens all the time with the you and the Calvinists. You guys preach one thing, but when a person reads what The Word of God actually says, it teaches something completely different,

I post David's Words Inspired by the Christ before HE became mortal flesh;

"The LORD" said unto "my Lord", Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

And I post the Christ's, the Holy One of Israel's Words, who God sent to give humanity God's Words.

Is. 48: 16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

17 Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God "which teacheth thee to profit", which "leadeth" thee "by the way that thou shouldest go". (Walk even as HE walked)

18 O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:

But in your religion, "Harkening to God's commandments" is a false gospel.

And the Word "was God", and the Word "was with God".

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

("The LORD" said unto "my Lord", Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.)

Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because "I said", I go unto "the Father": for "my Father" is greater than I.

I'm not going to flush all these Words of My Lord down this world's religious toilet, just to promote the image of God after the likeness of men that the Catholic religion created, and you have adopted.

All of His Words are Inspired by God.

John 17: 8 For I have given unto them the words which "thou gavest me"; and they have received them, (But not you, you reject them so you can keep your own religious traditions)

and have known surely that "I came out from thee", and they have believed that "thou didst send me".

We should Seek God's Truth, not justification for this world's religious philosophies.

 

[civic]

You religion is chaos and hypocrisy, AKA Babylon. You preach Jesus is the permanent God, and yet if a man believes God and abides by His Instructions, you call it a false gospel and those who live by His Word's as Legalist. You preach the Father in not the Savior, and yet the Father SENT the Jesus "of the Bible" to save me.

I post Jesus' Own Words in which HE tells me. "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

But if a man believes in these Words, you preach to the world that HE denies Jesus.

And again;

And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

This happens all the time with the you and the Calvinists. You guys preach one thing, but when a person reads what The Word of God actually says, it teaches something completely different,

I post David's Words Inspired by the Christ before HE became mortal flesh;

"The LORD" said unto "my Lord", Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

And I post the Christ's, the Holy One of Israel's Words, who God sent to give humanity God's Words.

Is. 48: 16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

17 Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God "which teacheth thee to profit", which "leadeth" thee "by the way that thou shouldest go". (Walk even as HE walked)

18 O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:

But in your religion, "Harkening to God's commandments" is a false gospel.

And the Word "was God", and the Word "was with God".

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

("The LORD" said unto "my Lord", Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.)

Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because "I said", I go unto "the Father": for "my Father" is greater than I.

I'm not going to flush all these Words of My Lord down this world's religious toilet, just to promote the image of God after the likeness of men that the Catholic religion created, and you have adopted.

All of His Words are Inspired by God.

John 17: 8 For I have given unto them the words which "thou gavest me"; and they have received them, (But not you, you reject them so you can keep your own religious traditions)

and have known surely that "I came out from thee", and they have believed that "thou didst send me".

We should Seek God's Truth, not justification for this world's religious philosophies.

Projecting again

 

[civic]

You religion is chaos and hypocrisy, AKA Babylon. You preach Jesus is the permanent God, and yet if a man believes God and abides by His Instructions, you call it a false gospel and those who live by His Word's as Legalist. You preach the Father in not the Savior, and yet the Father SENT the Jesus "of the Bible" to save me.

I post Jesus' Own Words in which HE tells me. "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

But if a man believes in these Words, you preach to the world that HE denies Jesus.

And again;

And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

This happens all the time with the you and the Calvinists. You guys preach one thing, but when a person reads what The Word of God actually says, it teaches something completely different,

I post David's Words Inspired by the Christ before HE became mortal flesh;

"The LORD" said unto "my Lord", Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

And I post the Christ's, the Holy One of Israel's Words, who God sent to give humanity God's Words.

Is. 48: 16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

17 Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God "which teacheth thee to profit", which "leadeth" thee "by the way that thou shouldest go". (Walk even as HE walked)

18 O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:

But in your religion, "Harkening to God's commandments" is a false gospel.

And the Word "was God", and the Word "was with God".

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

("The LORD" said unto "my Lord", Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.)

Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because "I said", I go unto "the Father": for "my Father" is greater than I.

I'm not going to flush all these Words of My Lord down this world's religious toilet, just to promote the image of God after the likeness of men that the Catholic religion created, and you have adopted.

All of His Words are Inspired by God.

John 17: 8 For I have given unto them the words which "thou gavest me"; and they have received them, (But not you, you reject them so you can keep your own religious traditions)

and have known surely that "I came out from thee", and they have believed that "thou didst send me".

We should Seek God's Truth, not justification for this world's religious philosophies.

And Christ says it’s all about Him, not the Father!!!

You don’t know the Father, the Son or the Holy Spirit.

Luke 24:25-27
25 And He said to them, "O foolish men and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 26 " Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into His glory?" 27 Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures.

John 5:39-40
39 "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; 40 and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

Luke 24:44-45
44Now He said to them, "These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled." 45 Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures,


John 16:7-9
But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. 8 When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 about sin, because people do not believe in me

John 16:13-14
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you.


Conclusion: It’s all about Him from cover to cover because the Bible is all about God from cover to cover. Why anyone would deny this obvious truth is beyond me.

hope this helps !!

 

[civic]

Continued

Jesus is the Lord(YHWH) in Joel, Isaiah and Jeremiah


Joel 2:27-32
27 "Thus you will know that I am in the midst of Israel,

And that I am the Lord your God,

And there is no other;

And My people will never be put to shame.

28 " It will come about after this

That I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind;

And your sons and daughters will prophesy,

Your old men will dream dreams,

Your young men will see visions.

29 "Even on the male and female servants

I will pour out My Spirit in those days.

30 "I will display wonders in the sky and on the earth,

Blood, fire and columns of smoke.

31 "The sun will be turned into darkness

And the moon into blood

Before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes.

32 "And it will come about that whoever calls on the name of the Lord

Will be delivered;

For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem

There will be those who escape,

As the Lord has said,

Even among the survivors whom the Lord calls.

Rom 10:9-13
9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED." 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."


Isa 45:21-24
Is it not I, the Lord?
And there is no other God besides Me,
A righteous God and a Savior;
There is none except Me.
22 " Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth;
For I am God, and there is no other.
23 "I have sworn by Myself,
The word has gone forth from My mouth in righteousness
And will not turn back,
That to Me every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance.
24 "They will say of Me, 'Only in the Lord are righteousness and strength.'

Phil 2:9-11
For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Rom 14:10-12
For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. 11 For it is written,

" AS I LIVE, SAYS THE LORD, EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW TO ME,

AND EVERY TONGUE SHALL GIVE PRAISE TO GOD."

12 So then each one of us will give an account of himself to God.

1 Cor 2:8-9
the wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood; for if they had understood it they would not have crucified the Lord of glory

Jeremiah 17:10 the Lord says

"I the LORD search the heart, I test the mind. Even to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his doings"

In Revelation 2:23 Jesus says
"I am He who searches the minds and hearts and I will give to each one of you according to your works"

So if Jesus is not God why would he claim to do something in Revelation that Yahweh claimed in Jeremiah?

So is it Yahweh or Jesus who searches hearts and minds?

The only name that can possibly be above all names is the name of YHWH. Even Non trinitarians are forced to agree with this one due to the fact that their own theology acknowledges that YHWH is greater in nature than Jesus. This means that Jesus shares the personal name and authority of YHWH, making Him God as no one can be equal to God except God alone.

hope this helps !!!

 

[civic]

You are in denial @Studyman

Only God deserves to receive spiritual worship from men.


The New Testament word for worship (proskuneo) means to do obeisance, reverence, or acts of homage (see Thayer, Vine, and Arndt & Gingrich). This word is often used to describe men worshiping God: John 4:20-24; Revelation 4:10; 7:11; 11:16; 14:7; 19:4; 15:4; 1 Corinthians 14:25.


Many verses forbid worshiping men, angels, or any created thing.


Acts 10:25,26 - Cornelius fell down to worship Peter. Peter forbade it saying that he himself was just a man. God deserves worship, but men do not. (Cf. Acts 12:20-23; 14:8-18.)


Revelation 22:8,9; 19:10 - John sought to worship the angel, but the angel forbade it because he was a "fellow servant." "Worship God."


Romans 1:25 - People who worship and serve created things, rather than the Creator, have left the truth of God.


To worship any created thing - whether man, angel, heavenly body, or some other object in nature (mountain, ocean, etc.) - constitutes idolatry.


Only the true God deserves to be worshipped.


Matthew 4:9,10 - Worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.


Revelation 9:20 - Idolatry is forbidden because it constitutes worship of someone other than God (Exodus 20:3-6; Deuteronomy 6:13-15; Revelation 14:9-11). [See also Exodus 34:14]


Note: proskunew is forbidden when used for obeisance to men from a spiritual or religious motivation or purpose. The word is sometimes (but rarely) used in the New Testament non-religiously to refer to bowing in obeisance to a king, master, or other person in authority (see Matthew 18:26 - this usage is more common in the Old Testament).


When used for religious honor, however, worship is forbidden toward any except God. In this sense, "worship" is like "lord," "father," "master," etc. The words may be acceptably used for earthly, physical relationships (Ephesians 6:1-9; Colossians 3:21,22), but we are forbidden to use such as religious honor to men or created things (Matthew 23:8-12). [On Revelation 3:9, cf. to 1 Corinthians 14:25]


The concept of Deity distinguishes the Creator from the creature. Things which are created do not have the unique characteristics of God, do not do the unique works of God, and therefore should not be addressed by the unique names of God nor should they be worshipped.


But Jesus received the unique worship God deserves.


He was often worshipped while He appeared on earth before His resurrection.


Matthew 8:2 - A leper came and worshipped Jesus. [9:18; 15:25; Mark 5:6]


Matthew 14:33 - After Jesus had calmed the storm, the disciples worshipped Him saying He was the Son of God.


John 9:38 - After Jesus had healed the blind man, He revealed Himself to be the Son of God (v35). The man said he believed, and he worshipped Jesus.


Note that such religious worship would have been blasphemy and should have been forbidden as it was in the case of Peter, the angel, etc., if Jesus had been just a man on earth.


Created beings also worship Him after His resurrection.


Matthew 28:9,17 - After His resurrection, His disciples worshipped Him. [Cf. John 20:28,29]


Luke 24:52 - Even after He had ascended back to heaven, they worshipped Him.


Hebrews 1:6 - Angels are instructed by God to worship Jesus.


Note that men were rebuked for worshipping men, angels, or created beings, but they were never rebuked for worshipping Jesus. Angels are even instructed by the Father to worship Jesus. The context of the above passages cannot fit the idea of obeisance to an earthly king or ruler. They refer to honoring Jesus as a religious authority - the very thing forbidden when offered to Peter, angels, etc.


Hence, Jesus accepted worship as an act of religious honor. The Scriptures, including Jesus' own teachings, would absolutely forbid this unless He possesses true Deity.


B. Glory and Honor


"Glory" (doxa) means "...praise, honor ... magnificence, excellence, preeminence, dignity, grace ... majesty" - Grimm-Wilke-Thayer.


"Honor" (timh) means "...honor which belongs or is shown to one; the honor of one who outranks others, pre-eminence ... veneration ... deference, reverence..." - Grimm-Wilke-Thayer.


Like the words "power" and "wisdom," both these words can properly be used to refer to men in the physical realm (Matthew 6:29; 1 Peter 1:24). But they are also used to describe a special degree of glory which no one but God can possess.


God receives a special, unique glory and honor.


Psalm 24:7-10 - Jehovah is the "King of glory."


Psalm 29:3 - He is the "God of glory." [Acts 7:2; cf. Isaiah 60:19; Galatians 1:5; etc.]


Revelation 4:9-11 - God deserves this glory because He created all things. Note again the distinction between the creature and the Creator. [Revelation 5:13; Romans 11:36]


Isaiah 42:8; 48:11 - This glory is unique to God in that He refuses to share it with anyone else. Idols and created things have no right to receive this glory.


It follows that it would be blasphemy for anyone but God to receive this unique kind of glory. If anyone does receive this glory with God's approval, then that one must possess Deity.


But Jesus receives the unique glory of God.


John 5:23 - All men should honor the Son "just as" they honor the Father. To fail to give this honor to the Son is to fail to properly honor the Father.


"Just as" (kathos) is translated "even as" in KJV, ASV, NASB, RSV (cf. Thayer and Arndt & Gingrich). Other examples of its use in comparisons is found in Luke 6:31; 11:30; 17:26; John 3:14; 2 Corinthians 10:7; Colossians 3:13; etc.


The significance of the word, when used in comparisons, is that one item or action is just like the other regarding the aspect in which they are being compared. Hence Jesus rightly receives honor just like the honor the Father receives. And if we refuse to give such honor to the Son, then we are refusing to honor the Father!


John 17:5 - Jesus prayed to the Father to "glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was" (NKJV, cf. NASB, NEB; others are similar - ASV, KJV). Jesus asks to be glorified together with the Father with the glory He possessed "with" (para) the Father from eternity.


The clear implication is that Jesus and the Father both possessed the same glory before the world began. Jesus, in coming to earth as a servant, did not then appear to possess that glory but appeared as a man (this is part of what he gave up on coming to earth - Philippians 2:6-8). But having nearly completed His work on earth (John 17:4) and being ready to ascend to the Father, Jesus anticipated receiving this glory again (Philippians 2:9-11).


However, we have already learned that no one but God can receive the glory God has (Isaiah 42:8; 48:11). Jesus did receive that glory with the approval of the Father. Therefore, Jesus possesses Deity.


Revelation 5:12-14 - Both the Father and the Lamb (Jesus) were praised by the created things, who attributed to them "blessing and honor and glory and power." Note that the same glory and honor belongs to both Father and Son.


Hebrews 1:3 - Jesus is the brightness of the Father's glory (or the effulgence or radiance of His glory). That glory which shines from the Father also shines from Jesus because He is the creator (v2), upholds all things (v3), and is the express image of God (v3).


1 Corinthians 2:8; James 2:1 - Jesus is called the "Lord of glory," just as God in the Old Testament is called the "King of glory" (Psalm 24:7-10).


Note that the glory Jesus possesses is not just the glory possessed by men or angels. His glory is above that of angels (Hebrews 1:6,13). He is above all principality, power, might, dominion, and every name that is named (Ephesians 1:21; Philippians 2:9-11). No created being possesses the glory and honor Jesus does.


We have seen, however, that Jesus deserves the glory, honor, and worship of Deity even as the Father does. God forbids this to be given to any but Deity, but Jesus does receive it. This would be blasphemy if Jesus were not God.


Conclusion


If Jesus is not Deity, then who is He? To understand God we must realize that God is not part of the created things. God is the Creator, separate and far above the creatures. This distinction is made again and again in the passages we have studied. Jesus must be classed on one side or the other. Either he is a created being or else He is Deity. To say He is not Deity is to say He is a created being. To say He is not a created being is to say He is Deity. There are no other alternatives.


Men are creatures; angels are creatures that are above men. But Jesus is above the angels and is not classed with them (Hebrews chap. 1 - see especially vv 5,6,13). We have seen that He is not an angel nor an exalted man, but the Bible attributes to Him that which can only be said of God. We have learned that:


* Jesus is expressly stated to be God or to possess Deity.
* Jesus is called by names that may only be used for God.
* Jesus possesses characteristics that only God can possess.
* Jesus does work that only God can do.
* Jesus deserves worship and honor that only God deserves.


In all these areas Jesus is described as the Creator, not a created being. He is eternal, has the power, and did the work of creation. He deserves honor as the Creator. Clearly He is not to be classed with the created things but with Deity.


But we have also proved that there is only one true God who made the universe. If Jesus is "god," He is not an idol nor a false god. Since He possesses Deity and there is only one true God, then He must possess true Deity, not some lesser form of deity. He must be included in the one true God or Godhead along with the Father and the Holy Spirit.


Finally, if Jesus is God then He always has been God and always will be God, since God's unique nature cannot change (Hebrews 13:8). God cannot cease to be God nor can God lose the characteristics of God. He can take on non-Divine characteristics as Jesus added the characteristics of a man when He came to earth, and He can limit the use of His powers in order to accomplish His Divine purposes as Jesus did on earth. But He cannot cease to be God and He cannot lose the power and characteristics of God.

 

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Conclusion

If Jesus is not Deity, then who is He?

The One He repeatedly said He was: The One Sent by the Deity.

This is what Jesus Himself told our Father, and got recorded for our benefit.

Father... This is eternal life: that they may know You, the only true God,
and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent. (John 17:1,3)

 

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If anyone does receive this glory with God's approval, then that one must possess Deity.

If "anyone" receives from God anything, or needs the approval from God for anything, by definition such "anyone" is not God nor possess Deity.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Revelation 5:12-14 - Both the Father and the Lamb (Jesus) were praised by the created things, who attributed to them "blessing and honor and glory and power." Note that the same glory and honor belongs to both Father and Son.

The Book of Revelation repeatedly presents "God" as one being, and Jesus or "The Lamb" as another being.
For example: "They cried out with a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” (7:10)

Furthermore, that "God", who is not the Lamb, is Jesus' personal God.
For some reason, talking in first person, Jesus stresses that fact one... two... three... four times.

He who overcomes will I make a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My own new name. (3:12)

So,

1. The Book of Revelation presents two separate beings: one is called God and the other is called The Lamb, which we understand to be Jesus.
2. In the Book of Revelation, Jesus calls God "my God". Nothing to be surprised about. He also had done that in John 20:17.
3. In contrast, God never calls Jesus (or The Lamb) "my God"... which is an obvious thing, isn't it? If God had a God, God wouldn't be God.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Isaiah 42:8; 48:11 - This glory is unique to God in that He refuses to share it with anyone else. Idols and created things have no right to receive this glory.

God refuses to share his glory with anyone with whom He does not want to share it.
That's the spirit of the passage, as it is addressing specifically the worship of idols.

However, God shares his glory with anyone He wants to share it, including you and me.

You and me will share with Christ his throne. Does that make us equal to Christ?
To him who overcomes will I grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. (Revelation 3:21)

All honor given to the Son is an act made with the purpose of giving glory of the Father.

that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,​

of those in heaven and on earth and under the earth,​

and every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,​

to the glory of God the Father. (Phil 2:10-12)​

This cannot be the other way around. The purpose of honoring God is not to give glory to the Son.

The Son is, therefore, an instrument through which God gives us glory and we worship God.
This goes in line with descriptions of Jesus as Anointed, Intercessor, Way to the Father, Advocate, High Priest.