Riddle Me This:

[jeremiah1five]

According to the Bible death is the penalty for sin.

23 For the wages of sin is death; Romans 6:23(a)

Jesus Christ died a substitutionary death on the cross for the sins of God's people. All our sins have been paid for by Christ.
However, when a person is born-again, they receive the Holy Spirit of Promise, and their sins have been paid for by Jesus on the cross and they receive eternal life.

23 but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 6:23(b)

Yet, we still must die in this life. What sin is it that hasn't been paid for by Jesus that results in our death in this life if death is the penalty for sin?

Do you know?

 

[Dizerner]

Sins have only been paid for in Christ. That is why union with him is absolutely necessary.

The reason we still physically die is because we identify with him in his death, we die together with him, showing sin's payment cannot be avoided.

To get to know him, and the power of his resurrection and fellowship of his sufferings, becoming conformed unto his death,--
If by any means I may advance to the earlier resurrection, which is from among the dead: (Phil. 3:10-11 ROT)

For, just as, in the Adam, all die, so, also, in the Christ, shall all be made alive.
But, each, in his own rank:--A firstfruit, Christ, after that, they who are the Christ's, in his presence, (1 Cor. 15:22-23 ROT)

 

[jeremiah1five]

Sins have only been paid for in Christ. That is why union with him is absolutely necessary.

So, sin has not been paid for until they come into union with Christ?

The reason we still physically die is because we identify with him in his death, we die together with him, showing sin's payment cannot be avoided.

But sins payment (death) was already paid for upon the death of Jesus Christ on His cross. If that is the case, then why do we still die if the payment was met with the death of Christ on His cross? If we still die and death is the penalty for sin, what sin is causing our death?

To get to know him, and the power of his resurrection and fellowship of his sufferings, becoming conformed unto his death,--
If by any means I may advance to the earlier resurrection, which is from among the dead: (Phil. 3:10-11 ROT)

Jesus paid the penalty for another's sin on the cross. It was a substitutionary death. If we are "conformed unto His death" then we also are paying for the sins of another as Christ did if you're going to claim we are conformed unto His death which death was substitutionary for another's sins.

How can we still have sin or sins that kill us if Jesus paid the penalty for sin (death) on His cross?
Even if we are supposedly "conformed unto His death" and must die, then what sin is it that has condemned us to die? Weren't all our sins paid for by Jesus Christ on the cross? If that is so, then what sin wasn't paid for that makes us "conformed unto His death?" Death is the penalty for sin. If you claim we are being "conformed unto His death" then what sin or sins that wasn't paid for that fells us by our dying, which is supposed to be a conformity unto His death? If we have to die to be "conformed unto His death, and death is the penalty for sin, what sin are we paying for when we die?

For, just as, in the Adam, all die, so, also, in the Christ, shall all be made alive.
But, each, in his own rank:--A firstfruit, Christ, after that, they who are the Christ's, in his presence, (1 Cor. 15:22-23 ROT)

OK. But then we have the "conformity unto His death." If we die, then we are being "conformed unto the death of Adam" for in Adam all die, not being made alive in Adam.
If we are "made alive" by Christ, then what sin is it by which we die?

 

[civic]

So, sin has not been paid for until they come into union with Christ?

But sins payment (death) was already paid for upon the death of Jesus Christ on His cross. If that is the case, then why do we still die if the payment was met with the death of Christ on His cross? If we still die and death is the penalty for sin, what sin is causing our death?

Jesus paid the penalty for another's sin on the cross. It was a substitutionary death. If we are "conformed unto His death" then we also are paying for the sins of another as Christ did if you're going to claim we are conformed unto His death which death was substitutionary for another's sins.

How can we still have sin or sins that kill us if Jesus paid the penalty for sin (death) on His cross?
Even if we are supposedly "conformed unto His death" and must die, then what sin is it that has condemned us to die? Weren't all our sins paid for by Jesus Christ on the cross? If that is so, then what sin wasn't paid for that makes us "conformed unto His death?" Death is the penalty for sin. If you claim we are being "conformed unto His death" then what sin or sins that wasn't paid for that fells us by our dying, which is supposed to be a conformity unto His death? If we have to die to be "conformed unto His death, and death is the penalty for sin, what sin are we paying for when we die?

OK. But then we have the "conformity unto His death." If we die, then we are being "conformed unto the death of Adam" for in Adam all die, not being made alive in Adam.
If we are "made alive" by Christ, then what sin is it by which we die?

do you still sin ? yes or no

simple answer.

 

[Dizerner]

So, sin has not been paid for until they come into union with Christ?

The payment is not applied, it's a conditional payment, it's like, in a place of holding until we accept.

No faith, no forgiveness.

But sins payment (death) was already paid for upon the death of Jesus Christ on His cross. If that is the case, then why do we still die if the payment was met with the death of Christ on His cross? If we still die and death is the penalty for sin, what sin is causing our death?

The payment is paid IN CHRIST. So if we are in union with Christ, we have to die the death he died to sin once for all, we have to go through the waters in him. It's like, he took our place dying, yes, but we have to still become one with him.

Jesus paid the penalty for another's sin on the cross. It was a substitutionary death. If we are "conformed unto His death" then we also are paying for the sins of another as Christ did if you're going to claim we are conformed unto His death which death was substitutionary for another's sins.

That payment is conditional. It is not applied except on the condition of union with Christ. The logic you are using derives from Calvinism.

How can we still have sin or sins that kill us if Jesus paid the penalty for sin (death) on His cross?

Sin always kills. Jesus did NOT stop sin from killing. What he did was, he took the killing. So we have to take it along with him.

Sin can still cause us harm even under the atonement, discipline from God or opening doors to the demonic.

If we have to die to be "conformed unto His death, and death is the penalty for sin, what sin are we paying for when we die?

We are accepting our payment in Christ, but that payment we have to be in union with, and so die in him and with him.

Christ does not do some legal transaction that is completely separate and apart from our actual subjective experience.

Rather, the legal experience is valid because it is also personally subjective, Christ and we die together because we are one.

If we die, then we are being "conformed unto the death of Adam" for in Adam all die, not being made alive in Adam.

No, you need to understand. Christ literally WAS in Adam. Christ died Adam's death, see, he paid Adam's price.

So when we are in Christ, we are still in a way in Adam, we are just not ONLY in Adam, we are in Christ in Adam.

I'm suspect you felt you had some "special sin" that Christ didn't pay for so we have to pay.

I can assure you only Christ himself pays for any and all sin, period.

 

[jeremiah1five]

do you still sin ? yes or no

simple answer.

Yes.
One of our foundational doctrines going to the heart of true, biblical Christianity is the Scriptures that state Jesus Christ, as lamb of God, was sacrificed under the Mosaic Law to atone finally and eternally for the sins of God's people in covenant with God.
Our salvation in Christ occurs when the Holy Spirit of Promise intervenes in a person's life, and applies the salvation bought by the Son on His cross, and several things take place according to Scripture. One is we are declared "Not Guilty!" (justified) by God, the Holy Spirit dwells within us to daily conform us into the image of Christ (sanctification.) Our sins past, present, and future, are forgiven by God and we are promised eternal life.
If our sins past, present, and future have been atoned on the cross of Christ, then what sin is it by which we still die. The penalty for sin is death. So, what sin is still active that kills us?

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 6:23.

If our sin has been atoned, then what sin is it that kills us?

 

[Dizerner]

If our sin has been atoned, then what sin is it that kills us?

You simply don't understand the atonement properly. It's too Calvinistic in your mind.

 

[jeremiah1five]

The payment is not applied, it's a conditional payment, it's like, in a place of holding until we accept.

No faith, no forgiveness.

There are three major covenants between God, Abraham, and Abraham's seed, the people identified as children of Israel.
None of these three covenants have the requirement for faith.
Faith is not required in the Abraham Covenant, there is no faith required under the Mosaic Covenant, and there is no requirement for faith in the New Covenant.
So, where are you getting the right to add to these three covenants?

The payment is paid IN CHRIST. So if we are in union with Christ, we have to die the death he died to sin once for all, we have to go through the waters in him. It's like, he took our place dying, yes, but we have to still become one with him.

When the Holy Spirit indwells a believer, they are already in union with Christ (Spirit.)
The death we die daily refers to the sanctification we go through to be conformed to the image of Christ. It is the death of our flesh and the earthy desires we possess as a sinful creature.

What Scripture are you referring to support your statement: "So if we are in union with Christ, we have to die the death he died to sin once for all, we have to go through the waters in him. It's like, he took our place dying, yes, but we have to still become one with him."

That payment is conditional. It is not applied except on the condition of union with Christ. The logic you are using derives from Calvinism.

Again, when the Holy Spirit indwells a born-again believer, they are in union with Christ (Spirit.)

Sin always kills. Jesus did NOT stop sin from killing. What he did was, he took the killing. So we have to take it along with him.

Scripture please.

Sin can still cause us harm even under the atonement, discipline from God or opening doors to the demonic.

That is true. The thief (sin) comes to steal, kill, and destroy.
That is exactly what I am saying. But there is a sin that kills us at the end of our lives, whether through old age, illness, accident, etc.
If all our sin has been paid for by Jesus Christ on His cross in our stead, what sin is it that kills us at the end of our lives, through sickness, accident, etc., if we have all our sin atoned for why do we still die?

We are accepting our payment in Christ, but that payment we have to be in union with, and so die in him and with him.

Christ does not do some legal transaction that is completely separate and apart from our actual subjective experience.

Rather, the legal experience is valid because it is also personally subjective, Christ and we die together because we are one.

The penalty for sin is death.
So, if we die then it is our sin that kills us. Is our sin atoned or not?

No, you need to understand. Christ literally WAS in Adam. Christ died Adam's death, see, he paid Adam's price.

Adam died Adams death. He ate from the forbidden tree, not Christ, Adam did, and he died for that sin "in the day", and later died physically at the end of his 930 years of life.

So when we are in Christ, we are still in a way in Adam,

Explain.

we are just not ONLY in Adam, we are in Christ in Adam.

Explain this also.

I'm suspect you felt you had some "special sin" that Christ didn't pay for so we have to pay.

It is not "special," it is natural. Of the earth, earthy.

I can assure you only Christ himself pays for any and all sin, period.

Death is the wages for sin. We die. Thus, we are paying a wage for our sin despite being atoned by the death and resurrection of Christ.
Even if Adam had not sinned, he still in time (930 years) would have died.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You simply don't understand the atonement properly. It's too Calvinistic in your mind.

I understand atonement. It is you who does not understand death.
At the end of our lives, through sickness, or accident, we die. The wage for sin is death. If Christ atoned all our sins then why do we still pay the debt, the wage?

 

[Dizerner]

Faith is not required in the Abraham Covenant, there is no faith required under the Mosaic Covenant, and there is no requirement for faith in the New Covenant.
So, where are you getting the right to add to these three covenants?

Huh??? Please read Hebrews 11.

It is by FAITH we have access into this grace in which we stand.

Even if Adam had not sinned, he still in time (930 years) would have died.

No sin, no death, wages of sin is death.

I understand atonement. It is you who does not understand death.
At the end of our lives, through sickness, or accident, we die. The wage for sin is death. If Christ atoned all our sins then why do we still pay the debt, the wage?

You might want to reconsider your misplaced confidence.

You need to understand sin asks for more than just physical death, it demands spiritual death and that is the heart of it.

If physical death paid the price for sin, we wouldn't even need Jesus at all, we could just pay for our own sin by dying.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Huh??? Please read Hebrews 11.

It is by FAITH we have access into this grace in which we stand.

It is through covenant with God that serves to cover those in covenant for salvation.
There is no requirement of faith in the Abraham Covenant, which is detailed in Genesis 12, 15, and 17. Take a look. There is no requirement for faith from Abraham or from his seed. The covenant is enough to encase Abraham and his seed in a salvation that will be revealed later, and as we see from Scripture, God makes a covenant with the children of Israel we call the Mosaic Covenant. The only requirement under this covenant is obedience and the only requirement from Abraham is circumcision, a circumcision that will later reveal in shadow circumcision of the flesh to one day become a circumcision of the "heart" which "heart" is reference to a person's life, the total being of a person: body, soul, and spiritual life.

In Genesis 15 God prophesied that Abraham's seed would "be a stranger in a land not theirs, shall serve them and will be afflicted 400 years." But at the end God will deliver this people and this is what happened. It was necessary for God to deliver this people in order for God to keep his promises to Abraham. This covenant with Abraham was the foundation upon which God has determined to save this people when the time was in accordance with the will of God. And while this people were in the desert God added to the Abraham Covenant by establishing His Law for this people to live by. This would be called the Mosaic Covenant and there is no requirement for faith in this covenant, only obedience. And in the end, God will make this people obedient through the establishment of the New Covenant, and under the New Covenant prophesied by Jeremiah (31:31-34) there is no requirement for faith.

Faith is well and good, and God rewards faith, but the faith that means anything to God and a faith that He will honor and by which faith that will save is the faith of His Son when the time was right for God will bring these two covenants full circle and establish the New Covenant in the body and blood of His Son, Jesus Christ. And to be completely honest with Scripture these three covenants are between God, Abram the Hebrew, and with Abram's Hebrew seed. And in order to rightly divide the Word of Truth (Scripture) this fact must first be established and then we can come to the knowledge of the truth in the same way Saul and the other Jews and Jewish Christians did. The way to understand the New Covenant is by searching the Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets of Israel since these three covenants are with them. The New Covenant is only the Mosaic Covenant fulfilled by Jesus Christ, the prophesied King of Israel and lamb of God. When we delve into Saul's study of the Hebrew Scripture, we see the same things he saw, and we understand what he understands. Jesus Christ was born of a woman, born under the Law to save those under the Law. This is what Saul understood being in covenant with God. He himself said he was born of the tribe of Benjamin. He was a rabbi and a Pharisee, and he knew the Hebrew Scripture.

The access to this "grace" you mention is to first be in covenant for the covenant is grace itself. God didn't have to extend His grace to Abraham to promise him what He promised. By prophesying that Abraham's seed would be a stranger in a land not theirs, and to serve and to be afflicted connects Abraham's seed to God in that God Himself promised to deliver this people. And this He did. And because of this prophesy God was tasked with the deliverance of this people, and once they were physically delivered, also enjoined them in a covenant that would deliver them spiritually. When we deviate from these two covenants we lose our way.

No sin, no death, wages of sin is death.

That's what Saul said. When we die are we paying that wage?

You might want to reconsider your misplaced confidence.
You need to understand sin asks for more than just physical death, it demands spiritual death and that is the heart of it.
If physical death paid the price for sin, we wouldn't even need Jesus at all, we could just pay for our own sin by dying.

My confidence is in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
And by going back to the beginning I can see where I am at present, and where I am going in the future because I understand what God said. And this, too, is linked to the beginning. But your theology doesn't allow you to see the truth. One cannot say, "oh, the New Covenant is this and that, or that and this," if you deviate from the foundation of what God has done and what He will do at the end of our physical lives on earth.

But your theology won't allow you to see as God sees and what He has accomplished through the Abraham and Mosaic Covenants. None of God's promises have an expiration date. Do you place an expiration date to any of God's promises? Our physical death at the end of life, through sickness, or through accident has been atoned by Jesus Christ, and we do not have to die physically in order to be in "union" with Jesus (God.) Our salvation has never been in our hands to do or not do in order to earn it. We don't have to exercise faith to become saved. The only requirement for salvation is to be Abraham or be his seed. This is what Scripture records. In order to understand that the wage of sin is death and that our sin has been atoned by Jesus Christ, and yet our dying at the end of life is also covered by Jesus' atonement.
Do you believe (1.) there is only ONE God, (2.) there is NONE like Him, and (3.) He gives His glory to NO ONE.
What do you do when your theology is in contradiction to Scripture?

 

[Dizerner]

We don't have to exercise faith to become saved.
The only requirement for salvation is to be Abraham or be his seed.

"Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance, and do not think to say to yourselves,`We have Abraham as our father.' For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones. And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. (Matt. 3:8-10 NKJ)

I do not think you are saved according to the Bible or going to heaven.

Please repent of your false doctrine before it is too late, and put your faith alone in Christ suffering for your sins, or you will pay in eternal hell.

You are not atoned for by Jesus Christ until you humble yourself, admit your sinfulness, and trust alone in his Cross.

But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart " (that is, the word of faith which we preach): that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. (Rom. 10:8-10 NKJ)

 

[jeremiah1five]

"Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance, and do not think to say to yourselves,`We have Abraham as our father.' For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones. And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. (Matt. 3:8-10 NKJ)

I do not think you are saved according to the Bible or going to heaven.

It is precisely because of the Bible and what is written there that people are going to heaven.
John isn't discounting the Abraham Covenant nor the people that are in this covenant, he is strongly establishing the covenant in light to his call to repentance of the people he was sent to, that is, the children of Israel.

Please repent of your false doctrine before it is too late, and put your faith alone in Christ suffering for your sins, or you will pay in eternal hell.

You are not atoned for by Jesus Christ until you humble yourself, admit your sinfulness, and trust alone in his Cross.

Salvation does not depend on my will but on God's will. There is a lamb's book of life that contains the names of every soul He's predestined to salvation, and at the appointed time, they will all come when called without fail.

16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
John 15:16.

Every person in Scripture who had a positive and personal relationship with God was called. And those that were called were already in covenant with God. From Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to Samuel, Jeremiah, to David. They were all the seed of Abraham.

But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart " (that is, the word of faith which we preach): that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. (Rom. 10:8-10 NKJ)

As I shared elsewhere this is not a formula for salvation. Saul is writing to a people at Rome already born-again and saved and these quotations from the Hebrew Scripture are his attempts at encouraging the believers there for he did say he wanted to "impart unto them some spiritual gift so that they may be established, and quoting the Hebrew Scripture to them did just that. Saul was big on establishing the brethren, whether they were Jews or Jewish Christians.

11 For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end you may be established;
Romans 1:11.

Saul states exactly to whom he was writing to and that people were the Jews and Jewish Christians.

6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called [to be] saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Romans 1:6–7.

According to Scripture Israel is identified as "the called" and addressed as "saints" and the "Beloved of God" for only Israel is the Bride and Church of the Living God. They are also called by God as His "saints," and "apple of His eye."
Reprobate, uncircumcised, non-covenant Gentiles are not saints nor are they beloved of God. There is no Scripture in the Old Testament Hebrew Scripture that says they are.
I suggest you bring your doctrine in line with Scripture and take Scripture as written and stop trying to add to it.

And you still haven't answered the question I posed in the OP.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I know. It's a hard question to answer.
All our sins have been paid for on the cross of Jesus, but we still die at the end of our lives, through sickness, or accident. Death is the penalty for sin. What sin is it that hasn't been paid that kills us?
You won't understand it with the present Gentile theology you all hold to.
But when you step out of that error maybe you will conme to the knowledge of the truth.
Maybe.

 

[e v e]

According to the Bible death is the penalty for sin.

23 For the wages of sin is death; Romans 6:23(a)

Jesus Christ died a substitutionary death on the cross for the sins of God's people. All our sins have been paid for by Christ.
However, when a person is born-again, they receive the Holy Spirit of Promise, and their sins have been paid for by Jesus on the cross and they receive eternal life.

23 but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 6:23(b)

Yet, we still must die in this life. What sin is it that hasn't been paid for by Jesus that results in our death in this life if death is the penalty for sin?

Do you know?

yes I do. but no one cares to know.

 

[jeremiah1five]

yes I do. but no one cares to know.

If I didn't care I wouldn't invite to answer.
Why stop by at all?

 

[e v e]

If I didn't care I wouldn't invite to answer.
Why stop by at all?

hoping anyone at all is hearing Him

thats why

 

[e v e]

yes I do. but no one cares to know.

when adam evilly left paradise and God

this caused cosmological changes.

consider that God's perfect creation was
made for us, in a reality without death
or pain

... and we left

meeting christ on the clouds is to return
to our original Home
what He declared Good (before the fall)

and the sons to restore our Home
with Christ

our gift to Him is to understand this

Being saved de facto
is to leave this world of death
and return to God in paradise
to our land He promised restore

Eden


and again she will be sweet and Good

 

[jeremiah1five]

I know. It's a hard question to answer.
All our sins have been paid for on the cross of Jesus, but we still die at the end of our lives, through sickness, or accident. Death is the penalty for sin. What sin is it that hasn't been paid that kills us?
You won't understand it with the present Gentile theology you all hold to.
But when you step out of that error maybe you will come to the knowledge of the truth.
Maybe.

I guess I will have to provide the answer.

Recap: Death is the penalty for sin. Jesus Christ died for the sin(s) of God's elect. Yet, we still suffer the penalty for sin when we die at the end of our life, through sickness, or by accident.

The answer is as follows:

All sin of God's elect has been paid for by Jesus Christ on His cross - even the sin that causes our death at the end of our lives, through sickness, or by accident. This question is resolved by understanding and accepting the truth of man's creation and the creation of the woman as recorded by Moses in Genesis and of another passage that sheds light on the answer to the question I posed.

GOD CREATES MAN (Adam) AND WOMAN (Eve.)
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Genesis 1:26.

THOU SHALT NOT
Here, in this passage God commands the man (and the woman) to not eat of the fruit of the GTree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil:

16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die (or, dying thou shalt die.)
Genesis 2:16–17.

In order to understand the passages above and what it means we must seek help from other passages to lay the foundation of what these passages really mean in light of other Scripture, specifically, Scripture found in Isaiah and Saul's letters.
First, Isaiah and the revelation of God:

a. There is only ONE God:
6 I am the first, and I am the last; And beside me there is no God. Isaiah 44:6.

b. There is NONE like Him:
18 I am the LORD; and there is none else. Isaiah 45:18.

c. He gives His glory to NO ONE:
8 I am the LORD: that is my name: And my glory will I not give to another, Isaiah 42: 8.

The glory of God (or the glory that is God) are His Nature and Attributes: Eternal, Holy, Righteous, Sinless, Omniscience, Omnipotent, Omnipresent, etc.
These are the attributes that set God apart from His creation. There is no comparison. God and man are as separated and far apart as west is from the east.

When we hold up man to the glory that is God man falls short of God's glory. The prevailing understanding of the creation of man and his nature when he was created is that man was created "sinless" or "holy" or righteous" or "innocent." I've read them all in Gentile theology books. There, also among these theological holdings and beliefs is the teaching of a "Fall" of man - who was sinless at creation - and that because of man's disobedience at eating the fruit from the forbidden tree in the Garden of Eden man became a sinner - or sinful - and "fell" from the grace of God thus rendering man a sinner from that moment going forward. But such a belief would be contrary to the three foundational revelations of Isaiah about God above.
It is said that when man sinned, he went through a change in his nature from sinless to sinful, and man became a sinner even to this day.
But the was no "Fall" of man when he ate from the forbidden tree.
God created man (and woman) sinful, or as the word "sin" is defined by Strong, "missing the mark."
What is the "mark" man missed?
The glory of God, or the standard of Who God is as revealed in Scripture.
Man was already a sinner before he disobeyed God and ate from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
Honest application of Scripture to this question is found here.

6 Add thou not unto his words,
Lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Proverbs 30:6.

The man (and woman) were already sinners as they were created that way, created fallen short of God's glory.
They show they were sinners before they ate from the tree when they added to God's Word in the Garden when they said, "neither shall ye touch it." Adding to God's Word proved they were Liars even before they ate from the tree. In short, they sinned because they were created sinful. In their creation they possessed NONE of God's glory of sinlessness nor were they created holy. These are attributes of God and according to Isaiah, God gave them NONE of His glory when God created them. They ate from the tree because they were sinners, and sin comes from sinners. It does not come from that which is sinless or Holy.

13 As saith the proverb of the ancients, Wickedness proceedeth from the wicked: 1 Samuel 24:13.

The man and the woman were created sinful which was proved by their adding to God's Word and by disobeying God and eating from the forbidden tree. There was nothing in the tree per se, for it was like any other tree and God merely used it in order to "prove" the man and woman, to give them the KNOWLEDGE of their sinfulness when they were created. They were not created with a halo or with "light" emanating from their being. They were both created the same way we are born and that is as sinners. Wickedness proceedeth from the wicked just as sin comes from sinners. The man and woman were NOT sinners because they sinned, but alternately, they sinned BECAUSE they were sinners. And now we come to the other question of man's creative make-up. If it is the act of sin that makes us sinners, then such a belief destroys the Biblical Doctrine of Substitutionary sacrifice and the Doctrine of Imputation. And that doctrine is found here written by Saul in his third letter (at least) to the Corinthians:

21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
2 Corinthians 5:21.

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them;
2 Corinthians 5:19.

The Doctrine of Imputation is NOT the 'imputing' of a sinful act of man (eating from the forbidden tree), to Christ, and from Christ imputing to man His righteous acts. The Doctrine of Imputation is not in the act but in the nature. God created man with a sinful nature which is why he lied and sinned in their adding to God's Word and by disobeying God and eating from the forbidden tree.
In effect, it is a nature-swap. Christ is imputed our sinful nature, and we are imputed His righteous nature. Peter himself says this very thing:

3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature,
2 Peter 1:3–4.

When we are born-again our sinful nature is imputed to Christ and from Christ, we are imputed His divine nature, NOT His divine acts (of righteousness.) It is a nature-swap.We are given Christ's righteous nature and Christ is imputed our sinful nature and this imputation of our sinful nature on the cross is part of His Work to redeem His people to Himself. According to the Doctrine of Salvation and substitutionary sacrifice under the Law, it is our sin that Christ atoned (to ourselves) and propitiated (to Himself) on His cross at Calvary and every sin that through our sinful nature we commit, Christ paid the penalty and this is what caused His death. Death is the punishment for sin. God laid upon Him our sins and He died a substitutionary death for us. Every sin is paid for by His death - even the sin that causes our death at the end of life, through sickness and by accident.

We die because we have a sinful nature we were born with, and also a sinful nature man was created with.
When we are born-again Peter says we are given the divine nature of Christ. But the divine nature is a promise we shall receive upon our deaths or at the Second Coming of Christ when He shall CHANGE of sinful bodies in the twinkle of His eye. The divine nature Peter said God promised us can only be fulfilled when we die or when He returns. The divine nature is promised to us and we can only collect when we die or when Christ returns.

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, 2 Peter 1:4.

And that is God's promise to us.
On the cross Christ has already been imputed our sinful nature ["It is finished!"] and every sin we commit which comes from our sinful nature and it is our sinful nature which we still possess that at the end of our lives we die ("It is finished!") and we are then imputed His righteous nature.
It is our sinful nature we possess that kills us but were already atoned and the promise of Christ's divine nature that we receive when we die.
The nature-swap will find fulfillment when we die.
That is the Doctrine of Imputation.
And THAT is the answer to my question.

 

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According to the Bible death is the penalty for sin.

23 For the wages of sin is death; Romans 6:23(a)

Jesus Christ died a substitutionary death on the cross for the sins of God's people. All our sins have been paid for by Christ.
However, when a person is born-again, they receive the Holy Spirit of Promise, and their sins have been paid for by Jesus on the cross and they receive eternal life.

23 but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 6:23(b)

Yet, we still must die in this life. What sin is it that hasn't been paid for by Jesus that results in our death in this life if death is the penalty for sin?

Do you know?

Hello @jeremiah1five,

'Now this I say, brethren,
that flesh and blood cannot inherit
the kingdom of God;
neither doth corruption
inherit incorruption.'
(1Cor. 15:50)

'For this corruptible must put on incorruption,
and this mortal must put on immortality.
So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption,
and this mortal shall have put on immortality,
then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written,
Death is swallowed up in victory.
O death, where is thy sting?
O grave, where is thy victory?
(1Co 15:53-55)

* I believe the answer is contained in these passages of Scripture.

In Christ Jesus
Chris