Responsibilities to God and His Christ

Nothing indeed, as you failed to address the following:

Please let me know when you are actually going to address the scriptures




From the New Testament

Um, in case you forgot, Christ died for all the people of the world.

2 Cor 5:14–15 For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that one died for all, therefore all died; and He died for all, so that they who live might no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose again on their behalf.
1 John 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
1 Tim 2:3–6 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.
Heb 2:9 But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.
John 3:16–17: “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
Rom 5:18 So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men,
1 Tim 4:10 For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.
If you are depending on animals for your salvation today, you are in a sorrowful position.
Acts 10:34–35 Opening his mouth, Peter said: “I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality, but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Rom 10:12–13 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Eph 2:11–22 Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision,” which is performed in the flesh by human hands— remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity. And He came and preached peace to you who were far away, and peace to those who were near; for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.
Acts 15:7–11 After there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brethren, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles would hear the word of the gospel and believe. And God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us; and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith. Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are.”
Rom 3:29–30 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.
Col 3:11 a renewal in which there is no distinction between Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and freeman, but Christ is all, and in all.
Acts 11:18 When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, “Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life.”
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

And the Old Testament


Ps 22:27–28 All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the Lord, And all the families of the nations will worship before You. For the kingdom is the Lord’s And He rules over the nations.
Ps 86:9 All nations whom You have made shall come and worship before You, O Lord, And they shall glorify Your name.
Isa 49:6 He says, “It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant To raise up the tribes of Jacob and to restore the preserved ones of Israel; I will also make You a light of the nations So that My salvation may reach to the end of the earth.”
Isa 2:2–3 Now it will come about that In the last days The mountain of the house of the Lord Will be established as the chief of the mountains, And will be raised above the hills; And all the nations will stream to it. And many peoples will come and say, “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, To the house of the God of Jacob; That He may teach us concerning His ways And that we may walk in His paths.” For the law will go forth from Zion And the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
Mal 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even to its setting, My name will be great among the nations, and in every place incense is going to be offered to My name, and a grain offering that is pure; for My name will be great among the nations,” says the Lord of hosts.
Isa 66:18–19 “For I know their works and their thoughts; the time is coming to gather all nations and tongues. And they shall come and see My glory. I will set a sign among them and will send survivors from them to the nations: Tarshish, Put, Lud, Meshech, Tubal and Javan, to the distant coastlands that have neither heard My fame nor seen My glory. And they will declare My glory among the nations.
Dan 7:14 “And to Him was given dominion, Glory and a kingdom, That all the peoples, nations and men of every language Might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed.
Isa 56:7 Even those I will bring to My holy mountain And make them joyful in My house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar; For My house will be called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”
Zech 8:20–23 “Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘It will yet be that peoples will come, even the inhabitants of many cities. The inhabitants of one will go to another, saying, “Let us go at once to entreat the favor of the Lord, and to seek the Lord of hosts; I will also go.” So many peoples and mighty nations will come to seek the Lord of hosts in Jerusalem and to entreat the favor of the Lord.’ “Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘In those days ten men from all the nations will grasp the garment of a Jew, saying, “Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.” ’ ”
Isa 25:6–8 The Lord of hosts will prepare a lavish banquet for all peoples on this mountain; A banquet of aged wine, choice pieces with marrow, And refined, aged wine. And on this mountain He will swallow up the covering which is over all peoples, Even the veil which is stretched over all nations. He will swallow up death for all time, And the Lord God will wipe tears away from all faces, And He will remove the reproach of His people from all the earth; For the Lord has spoken.
Ps 67 God be gracious to us and bless us, And cause His face to shine upon us— Selah. That Your way may be known on the earth, Your salvation among all nations. Let the peoples praise You, O God; Let all the peoples praise You. Let the nations be glad and sing for joy; For You will judge the peoples with uprightness And guide the nations on the earth. Selah. Let the peoples praise You, O God; Let all the peoples praise You. The earth has yielded its produce; God, our God, blesses us. God blesses us, That all the ends of the earth may fear Him.

BTW your salvation by law is rejected

Rom 3:20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.
Gal 2:16 nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.
Rom 3:28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.
Eph 2:8–9 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Gal 2:21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.”
Gal 3:10–11 For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, to perform them.” Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “The righteous man shall live by faith.”
Rom 4:13–15 For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith. For if those who are of the Law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise is nullified; for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation.
Gal 5:4 You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
Acts 13:38–39 Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through Him forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you, and through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses.
Rom 11:6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.
Titus 3:5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,
Show me Scripture in the Law that says Gentiles were atoned by the animal sacrifice.

I'll wait.
 
Listen Jerry,

There were those grafted in.

Romans 11: 17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree,

11:18 do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you.

11:19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.”

11:20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear;

11:21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either.

11:22 Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.

11:23 And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

11:24 For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT LED UP TO THIS DIATRIBE????????????????/

Go back and start with Romans 11.......

Romans 11:11 I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? May it never be! But by their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make them jealous.

11:12 Now if their transgression is riches for the world and their failure is riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their fulfillment be!

11:13 But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,

11:14 if somehow I might move to jealousy my fellow countrymen and save some of them.

Jerry, you simply do not understand what you read.

You accuse me of adding to the book. I state with truthfulness you take out of the book.


IDK... Ya wanna take this outside and settle it?
Saul wrote to Jews, mixed-race Jews, and Jewish Christians.

Show me a Scripture in the Law that says Gentiles were atoned by the animal sacrifice.

I'll wait.
 
SHOW ME THE SCRIPTURE IN THE LAW THAT SAYS GENTILES ARE ATONED BY THE ANIMAL SACRIFICE
Sure, Jerry.

The Law never says “only Israelites are atoned for.” What it actually does is include the stranger (Gentile) within Israel under the same atonement system.

One law applies to both Israelite and stranger (Gentile):

Numbers 15:29 NASB95
You shall have one law for him who does anything unintentionally, for him who is native among the sons of Israel and for the alien who sojourns among them.

If the same law applies, then the same atonement provision applies.

This Atonement explicitly includes the stranger present among them:

Numbers 15:25-26
25...‘Then the priest shall make atonement for all the congregation of the sons of Israel, and they will be forgiven; for it was an error, and they have brought their offering, an offering by fire to the LORD, and their sin offering before the LORD, for their error.

26... So all the congregation of the sons of Israel will be forgiven, with the alien who sojourns among them, for it happened to all the people through error.

That is direct: atonement is made, and forgiveness extends to the stranger.

Before I go on here is what is said of a stranger....https://biblehub.com/topical/g/gentiles_and_outcasts.htm

Gentiles and Outcasts
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Gentiles

The term "Gentiles" in the Bible refers to all nations and peoples who are not of Jewish descent. The Hebrew word "goyim" and the Greek word "ethnos" are commonly translated as "Gentiles" in the Scriptures. Throughout the Bible, the relationship between the Israelites and the Gentiles is a significant theme, reflecting God's unfolding plan for humanity.

In the Old Testament, the Israelites were chosen by God to be a holy nation and a kingdom of priests (Exodus 19:6). They were set apart to be a light to the Gentiles, demonstrating God's righteousness and justice. However, the Israelites often struggled with maintaining their distinctiveness, sometimes adopting the idolatrous practices of the surrounding Gentile nations, which led to divine judgment.​

Day of Atonement includes the stranger:

Leviticus 1:29-34 (cf16:29)
“This shall be a permanent statute for you: in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, you shall humble your souls and not do any work, whether the native, or the alien who sojourns among you;

The command to afflict the soul on the Day of Atonement applies to both native and stranger, meaning they are under the same atoning act.

And Foreigners could bring offerings accepted for atonement:

Leviticus 17:8; 22:18–19

“Whatsoever man… of the house of Israel, or of the strangers in Israel… that offereth a burnt offering or sacrifice… it shall be accepted for him to make atonement for him.”


That’s explicit....... their offering is accepted to make atonement for them.

The Law does not restrict atonement to ethnic Israel only.It repeatedly includes “the stranger who sojourns among you” under the same law , the same sacrifices , the same atonement , the same forgiveness

You learn above the "stranger" The term "Gentiles" in the Bible refers to all nations and peoples who are not of Jewish descent.

“The Law itself says atonement and forgiveness apply to both the native and the stranger (Numbers 15:25–29). You’re adding a restriction the Law never makes.”

MORE?

The “stranger” is explicitly NOT an Israelite


“One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.” ...Exodus 12:49


We have Two distinct groups..... homeborn (Israelite) , stranger (not Israelite)

If the stranger were just another Israelite, that distinction makes no sense.

We are told The stranger is someone who can become circumcised to join Israel


“When a stranger shall sojourn with thee… and will keep the passover… let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near… and he shall be as one that is born in the land.” .....Exodus 12:48

The stranger is not already “born in the land” but He must become like one

That’s a Gentile joining Israel , not a lost tribe member.

Strangers are contrasted with Israelites repeatedly

“Thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother.” Deuteronomy 17:15

“Not thy brother” = not an Israelite.

Strangers are listed alongside clearly foreign peoples


“Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.” — Deuteronomy 10:19

Israel were foreigners (Hebrews) in Egypt and that’s the same category being used.

They are described as coming from outside Israel


“Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD…” Isaiah 56:6

They must join themselves , meaning they were not originally part of Israel.

The same “stranger” clearly defined as non-Israelite is the one included here:

“…atonement shall be made for all the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them…” Numbers 15:25–26

YOU can no longer say “stranger ≠ Gentile” AND ALSO accept that verse because the Law already defined the term.

“The Law defines the ‘stranger’ as someone not born in Israel (Exodus 12:48–49) and ‘not thy brother’ (Deut 17:15). That’s a Gentile. And that same stranger is explicitly included in atonement (Numbers 15:25–26). You don’t get to redefine the term after the Law already did.”
 
It is the Old Testament that declares what the New Covenant writings are all about.
Quite the contrary! Jesus said “you have heard it said, but I say unto you”, Jesus was correcting the misconstrued interpretation of the OT. It is a NT because the OT regulations have passed away. If the OT was by itself still valid , there would be no need for the NT.

Doug
 
Show me a passage in the Pentateuch that says Gentiles were atoned through the animal sacrifice in the Law of Moses.
Do it now.
If you do that, I will recant all my Hebrew-supported positions.

Jesus came to fulfill the Law of Moses as He said and just like the animal sacrifice His blood was made to atone the sins of the children of Israel, so, too, was Jesus' blood used to atone finally and eternally the sins of the children of Israel. Gentiles are not saved because Gentiles were never atoned under the Law.
YOU are ADDING to the Bible.
In the first place, why would the Pentateuch necessarily need to include the Gentiles, when this was directed specifically at the Jews. (Who were, incidentally, meant to be a light to the Gentiles.
“It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.” Isa 49:6 )

Will you not accept Isaiah’s word because it isn’t in the Pentateuch?


Doug
 
Sure, Jerry.

The Law never says “only Israelites are atoned for.” What it actually does is include the stranger (Gentile) within Israel under the same atonement system.

One law applies to both Israelite and stranger (Gentile):

Numbers 15:29 NASB95
You shall have one law for him who does anything unintentionally, for him who is native among the sons of Israel and for the alien who sojourns among them.

If the same law applies, then the same atonement provision applies.

This Atonement explicitly includes the stranger present among them:

Numbers 15:25-26
25...‘Then the priest shall make atonement for all the congregation of the sons of Israel, and they will be forgiven; for it was an error, and they have brought their offering, an offering by fire to the LORD, and their sin offering before the LORD, for their error.

26... So all the congregation of the sons of Israel will be forgiven, with the alien who sojourns among them, for it happened to all the people through error.

That is direct: atonement is made, and forgiveness extends to the stranger.

Before I go on here is what is said of a stranger....https://biblehub.com/topical/g/gentiles_and_outcasts.htm


Gentiles and Outcasts


Jump to: SubtopicsTerms

Topical Encyclopedia


Gentiles

The term "Gentiles" in the Bible refers to all nations and peoples who are not of Jewish descent. The Hebrew word "goyim" and the Greek word "ethnos" are commonly translated as "Gentiles" in the Scriptures. Throughout the Bible, the relationship between the Israelites and the Gentiles is a significant theme, reflecting God's unfolding plan for humanity.

In the Old Testament, the Israelites were chosen by God to be a holy nation and a kingdom of priests (Exodus 19:6). They were set apart to be a light to the Gentiles, demonstrating God's righteousness and justice. However, the Israelites often struggled with maintaining their distinctiveness, sometimes adopting the idolatrous practices of the surrounding Gentile nations, which led to divine judgment.​




Day of Atonement includes the stranger:

Leviticus 1:29-34 (cf16:29)
“This shall be a permanent statute for you: in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, you shall humble your souls and not do any work, whether the native, or the alien who sojourns among you;

The command to afflict the soul on the Day of Atonement applies to both native and stranger, meaning they are under the same atoning act.

And Foreigners could bring offerings accepted for atonement:

Leviticus 17:8; 22:18–19

“Whatsoever man… of the house of Israel, or of the strangers in Israel… that offereth a burnt offering or sacrifice… it shall be accepted for him to make atonement for him.”


That’s explicit....... their offering is accepted to make atonement for them.

The Law does not restrict atonement to ethnic Israel only.It repeatedly includes “the stranger who sojourns among you” under the same law , the same sacrifices , the same atonement , the same forgiveness

You learn above the "stranger" The term "Gentiles" in the Bible refers to all nations and peoples who are not of Jewish descent.

“The Law itself says atonement and forgiveness apply to both the native and the stranger (Numbers 15:25–29). You’re adding a restriction the Law never makes.”

MORE?

The “stranger” is explicitly NOT an Israelite


“One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.” ...Exodus 12:49


We have Two distinct groups..... homeborn (Israelite) , stranger (not Israelite)

If the stranger were just another Israelite, that distinction makes no sense.

We are told The stranger is someone who can become circumcised to join Israel


“When a stranger shall sojourn with thee… and will keep the passover… let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near… and he shall be as one that is born in the land.” .....Exodus 12:48

The stranger is not already “born in the land” but He must become like one

That’s a Gentile joining Israel , not a lost tribe member.

Strangers are contrasted with Israelites repeatedly

“Thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother.” Deuteronomy 17:15

“Not thy brother” = not an Israelite.

Strangers are listed alongside clearly foreign peoples


“Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.” — Deuteronomy 10:19

Israel were foreigners (Hebrews) in Egypt and that’s the same category being used.

They are described as coming from outside Israel


“Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD…” Isaiah 56:6

They must join themselves , meaning they were not originally part of Israel.

The same “stranger” clearly defined as non-Israelite is the one included here:

“…atonement shall be made for all the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them…” Numbers 15:25–26

YOU can no longer say “stranger ≠ Gentile” AND ALSO accept that verse because the Law already defined the term.

“The Law defines the ‘stranger’ as someone not born in Israel (Exodus 12:48–49) and ‘not thy brother’ (Deut 17:15). That’s a Gentile. And that same stranger is explicitly included in atonement (Numbers 15:25–26). You don’t get to redefine the term after the Law already did.”
You can't provide the Scripture because it doesn't exist.

Gentiles are OUTSIDE the grace of God.

Thanks, Freel.
 
Quite the contrary! Jesus said “you have heard it said, but I say unto you”, Jesus was correcting the misconstrued interpretation of the OT. It is a NT because the OT regulations have passed away. If the OT was by itself still valid , there would be no need for the NT.

Doug
Jesus did not change the Law.

All the Hebrews knew was the letter of the Law. Jesus taught the spirit of the Law.

That's why you can't provide Scripture from the Law Gentiles were atoned.

Gentiles are OUTSIDE the grace of God. You add to the Bible.
 
In the first place, why would the Pentateuch necessarily need to include the Gentiles, when this was directed specifically at the Jews. (Who were, incidentally, meant to be a light to the Gentiles.
“It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.” Isa 49:6 )

Will you not accept Isaiah’s word because it isn’t in the Pentateuch?


Doug
Being a light TO the Gentiles does not mean salvation.

You can't provide a Scripture because there is none.

Gentiles are OUTSIDE the grace of God.

You add to the Bible.
 
Jesus did not change the Law.

All the Hebrews knew was the letter of the Law. Jesus taught the spirit of the Law.

That's why you can't provide Scripture from the Law Gentiles were atoned.

Gentiles are OUTSIDE the grace of God. You add to the Bible.
I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.” Isa 49:6


Doug
 
I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth. Isa 49:6


Doug
Being a light does not translate to salvation. It is God's salvation that will reach to the ends of the eath. And the reason is that's where God scattered His people the Hebrews.
The Scripture is about Israel, NOT Gentiles.

24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. Ezekiel 36:24.

Sounds like the ends of the earth.
 
Being a light does not translate to salvation. It is God's salvation that will reach to the ends of the eath. And the reason is that's where God scattered His people the Hebrews.
The Scripture is about Israel, NOT Gentiles.

24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. Ezekiel 36:24.

Sounds like the ends of the earth.
Scripture is about the relationship between God and his creation, mankind. There were no Jews prior to God creating them from Abraham’s descendants.

Ezekiel 36:24 was fulfilled in 1948 when Israel was restored as a sovereign nation. It has nothing to do with whether Gentiles can be saved or not! But John 3:16 certainly does, for God loved the world, not just a segment thereof, so that “whoever believes”, not whoever is physically Jewish that believes, “shall not perish but have everlasting life!” You have no gospel for the world, but you make God a respecter of persons who only picks his preordained favorites. That is hyper-hyper Calvinism in its essence.

Doug
 
Scripture is about the relationship between God and his creation, mankind.
Untrue. Scripture - the Law, Psalms, and the Prophets - is about God's relation with His chosen people before Abram and then with Abram and his Hebrew seed. Genesis 17:7 describes with whom God has covenant with and the Promises He made to Abram. From Genesis 12 onward into Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy is a record of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the biological seed of Abraham. Then we get into Joshua, Judges, prophets and kings. And then more prophets. The Old Testament is a record of God's relationship with the children of Israel. NOT with mankind. Ishmael and Esau's descendants are also recorded and they are blessed of Abraham but as Ishmael is a mixed-race Hebrew he and his family was blessed with being of Abraham's loins/seed just as God had said. Every prophet and their "books" (prophecies) are to and for Israel, NOT Gentiles. The Old Testament is a record of God and His relationship with Abraham's seed, a people of millions called the children of Israel. Malachi is the last prophet before John and Jesus. Then, the office and gift of prophet pivoted as we get into Acts and the rest of the New Covenant writings (letters, prophecy.)

You completely ignore and omit the mixed-race/heritage Jews. You take "Gentile" in the New Covenant writings as non-Hebrew Gentiles but the truth is that we have ten northern kingdom tribes and two southern kingdom tribes, and when they were exiled through the Assyrian and Babylonian Conquests and God Exiled the Jews into Gentile lands you ignore this people. They are STILL the seed of Abraham. And because they are of Abraham, they are blessed of God. But the Promises, the Inheritance belong to Isaac, Jacob, and Jacob's twelve sons and their descendants. Until we come to today. Throughout history God had scattered His Chosen people Israel four times into Gentile lands. Can you name these four times?

At any rate, the Old Testament is about God and Abraham's seed. NOT mankind. God has made covenant with Abraham and with his biological seed and the Old Testament is their story.
There were no Jews prior to God creating them from Abraham’s descendants.
Correct. But there has always been a people belonging to God. The children and descendants of Seth are recorded in Genesis before we get to Eber, and Eber is an ancestor of Abram. Methuselah was a contemporary of Abram. And while all 'mankind' (no such thing. They were called "Adamites") remained together after being commanded to fill the earth and scatter, they remained together. Everyone except Salah (Gen. 11.) The story picks up with the birth of Eber and from his bloodline we get to Abram and Sarai.
Ezekiel 36:24 was fulfilled in 1948 when Israel was restored as a sovereign nation. It has nothing to do with whether Gentiles can be saved or not! But John 3:16 certainly does, for God loved the world, not just a segment thereof, so that “whoever believes”, not whoever is physically Jewish that believes, “shall not perish but have everlasting life!” You have no gospel for the world, but you make God a respecter of persons who only picks his preordained favorites. That is hyper-hyper Calvinism in its essence.

Doug
The problem you have is that you add Gentiles (non-Hebrew Gentiles) into the text. And you take words like "world" and its Greek definition and apply it to non-Hebrew Gentiles. You think the Old Testament was written about God's relationship with "mankind" and this is your error. I shouldn't have to name all the prophets as well as their Hebrew bloodline, do I?

I asked you to post a Scripture from the Law of Moses that says Gentiles are atoned by the animal sacrifice under the Law and you can't do it. You can't do it because non-Hebrew Gentiles have no covenant with God nor are they included in the atonement of the sacrifices and later, by Jesus, who died under the Law as substitute for the actual animal that was sacrificed. If the animal was sacrificed to atone - albeit temporarily, for the sins of the children of Israel, then Jesus who took the place of the animal sacrifice was used by God to atone finally and eternally the sins of the Hebrew people. It is HERE the New Covenant enters the conversation. But it doesn't become effective until the coming of the Holy Spirit of Promise in Acts two. Joel Promised in his prophecies that God's Spirit is given to the children of Israel, NOT Gentiles. So, if the Holy Spirit of Promise was Promised to Israel, and it is the Spirit that applies the salvation bought by the Son to the children of Israel ONLY, one cannot be saved without the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL then why do you and others continue with the error of adding non-Hebrew Gentiles as heirs of the Abrahamic Promises? God never made any covenant with Gentiles, and it is a weak argument to say that "families of the earth" means Gentiles and that this is where God said He was going to save "families of the earth" (Gentiles.) Very weak indeed. The reason is because when God gave His Law to the children of Israel in the desert at the time of the Tabernacle, is where the doctrine of atonement for sin begins. God saves through covenant. God also spread His relationship with Abram and his seed through every book of the Old Testament and through history. It (His covenant) progresses through time. It began in the Garden (there was no covenant here), then through Abraham, and then to the children of Jacob. And it is the children of Jacob who occupy Israel today. And STILL God is going to do some things promised and prophesied to Israel in the near future. It will culminate with the advent of Jesus Christ and He will dispense to the children of Jacob the Promises made by the Father to Israel - including land. As for non-Hebrew Gentiles? Revelation 20:7-9 describes what God does to the last days Gentiles who gather to again attack Israel the apple of God's own eye. You can't say this of Gentiles. ALL JEWS will live in the land promised them by God. Gentiles will live outside Israel. And it is here when fire comes down from heaven and consumes all the remaining Gentiles who take up arms against God's Chosen people.

IF God loves Gentiles, as you say, then why is God sending fire from heaven to consume them all? Is that love? No, it is NOT. God doesn't love Gentiles. He says in Isaiah that the nations of the world (Gentiles) are NOTHING to Him.

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Show me Scripture in the Law that says Gentiles were atoned by the animal sacrifice.

I'll wait.
If you are depending on people today being atoned by animal sacrifice, you are in desperate need of knowledge of salvation. Salvation is in Christ, not animals.

John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
Rom 10:9–10 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
Acts 16:31 They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.
Rom 3:22–24 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;
Gal 2:16 nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.

And that is for all
 
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Your understanding and interpretation of the New Covenant writings are in error. It is the Old Testament that declares what the New Covenant writings are all about. Saul rightly interpreted the Old Testament in his letters. He didn't add Gentiles to Israel's inheritance, you have.

The "families of the nations" are not Gentiles. They are the Abrahamic mixed-race families of Ishmael and Esau. NOT Gentiles.

Again, these nations are not Gentiles but the descendants of Ishmael and Esau. Why haven't you mentioned them? You keep interpreting "nations" as Gentiles and completely omit the descendants of Ishamel and Esau. Ishamel is mixed-race Hebrew-Egyptian. Esau is fully Hebrew. As long as one is a descendant of Abraham and God has declared their inheritance to Abraham's Promises (Isaac, Jacob, Jacob's sons) by God, they will inherit those promises. Ishamel and Esau are blessed, but the Promises went to Isaac then to Jacob then to Jacob's twelve sons. You keep ignoring Ishamel and Esau's descendants.

God says His salvation "may reach to the end of the earth." It doesn't say Gentiles will be saved. And for Israel being a light OF THE NATIONS doesn't say Gentiles will be or are saved.

Notice it says the "God of JACOB." It says nothing about the "God of Gentiles." JACOB, not Gentiles. You still add to the Bible. You change Jacob's inheritance to add Gentiles in his place.

Says nothing about Gentiles being saved. "Nations" refers to Ishamel and his descendants and Esau and his descendants. Why do you keep ignoring them?

Again, it says nothing about salvation or that Gentiles will be saved or share in Israel's inheritance. It's all about GOD'S GLORY.

Says nothing about salvation or that Gentiles will be saved or share in Israel's inheritance.

SHOW ME A SCRIPTURE IN THE NT THAT GENTILES WILL SHARE ISRAEL'S INHERITANCE.

I'll wait.

All peoples can be the twelve tribes of Israel and/or the descendants of Ishamel and Esau. Why do you keep ignoring these two?

Says nothing about Gentiles being saved. Says nothing about salvation, PERIOD!

It's all about "HIS PEOPLE" and His people are Israel.

You ignore and completely omit the descendants of Ishamel and Esau. Why do you keep doing this?

I NEVER said, "salvation is through the Law."
I said and support God's COVENANT with Abram the Hebrew and Abram's Hebrew seed. It is through covenant that Israel is saved. Gentiles have no covenant with God.

It is also Biblical even though it was a temporary that every year on Yom Kippur that God commanded sacrifices be made for Israel's TEMPORARY atonement until Christ appear and make it PERMANENT. Through the Law the temporary was made, and through the Law the Christ would come to make it PERMANENT. Jesus fulfilled the Law. He became the lamb of God to take the place of the animal that Israel sacrificed to atone yearly their sins until Christ come and make it PERMANENT.

SHOW ME THE SCRIPTURE IN THE LAW THAT SAYS GENTILES ARE ATONED BY THE ANIMAL SACRIFICE.

I'll wait.
Why would you post the absurdity?

SHOW ME THE SCRIPTURE IN THE LAW THAT SAYS GENTILES ARE ATONED BY THE ANIMAL SACRIFICE.

Salvation is in Christ.

And that salvation is for all

Acts 10:34–35 Opening his mouth, Peter said: “I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality, but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him.
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:11–18 Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision,” which is performed in the flesh by human hands— remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity. And He came and preached peace to you who were far away, and peace to those who were near; for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father.
Acts 15:7–11 After there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brethren, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles would hear the word of the gospel and believe. And God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us; and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith. Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are.”
Isa 49:6 He says, “It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant To raise up the tribes of Jacob and to restore the preserved ones of Israel; I will also make You a light of the nations So that My salvation may reach to the end of the earth.”
Rom 10:12–13 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Acts 11:18 When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, “Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life.”
 
Being a light TO the Gentiles does not mean salvation.

You can't provide a Scripture because there is none.

Gentiles are OUTSIDE the grace of God.

You add to the Bible.
So, once again you are indicating no one outside of being a Hebraic Jew will be saved.

Do not backpedal on this... your words are "Gentiles are OUTSIDE the grace of God."

Eph 2: 8-9 says
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

search assist says " one cannot be saved without God's grace, as salvation is understood to be a gift from God that cannot be earned through human efforts or works. It is through God's grace that individuals receive forgiveness and eternal life."

you say that only applies to the Hebraic Jews....

Alrighty then.... By your words you are in agreement with the predestined people on here BUT you apply that to only the Hebraic Jew.

KINDLY EXPLAIN THE MEANING OF THE FOLLOWING SCRIPTURE....

From Romans 11:11-31

11:11 I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? May it never be! But by their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make them jealous.

Answer this please..... Why if grace is only for the Hebraic Jews.... I'll even include other Jews in this.... but Paul, who was Saul says salvation has come to the Gentiles.

God , of course cannot lie.... but Paul who was Saul could....

Did Saul lie?

If not, please explain that verse from Pail who was "Saul".... the one YOU follow so closely?
 
IF God loves Gentiles, as you say, then why is God sending fire from heaven to consume them all? Is that love? No, it is NOT. God doesn't love Gentiles. He says in Isaiah that the nations of the world (Gentiles) are NOTHING to Him.
Acts13:46Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: “We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles. 47For this is what the Lord has commanded us:

“ ‘I have made you a light for the Gentiles,
that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth.’ ”

48When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and honored the word of the Lord; and all who were appointed for eternal life believed.
49The word of the Lord spread through the whole region. 50But the Jewish leaders incited the God-fearing women of high standing and the leading men of the city. They stirred up persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and expelled them from their region. 51So they shook the dust off their feet as a warning to them and went to Iconium. 52And the disciples were filled with joy and with the Holy Spirit.

Why would Paul say Gentiles if it meant only Samaritians, who were still “Jewish” by blood.? “Ethnos” does not mean half-Jews, it means “nations” (literally tribes of other people) in contrast to Israel as a nation.

Doug
 
Acts13:46Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: “We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles. 47For this is what the Lord has commanded us:

“ ‘I have made you a light for the Gentiles,
that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth.’ ”

48When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and honored the word of the Lord; and all who were appointed for eternal life believed.
49The word of the Lord spread through the whole region. 50But the Jewish leaders incited the God-fearing women of high standing and the leading men of the city. They stirred up persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and expelled them from their region. 51So they shook the dust off their feet as a warning to them and went to Iconium. 52And the disciples were filled with joy and with the Holy Spirit.

Why would Paul say Gentiles if it meant only Samaritians, who were still “Jewish” by blood.? “Ethnos” does not mean half-Jews, it means “nations” (literally tribes of other people) in contrast to Israel as a nation.

Doug
Moreover, Luke writes:
12The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13When they finished, James spoke up. “Brothers,” he said, “listen to me. 14Simon has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. 15The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:

16“ ‘After this I will return
and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
and I will restore it,
17that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord
, who does these things’ —
18things known from long ago.
19“It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath

Doug
 
If you are depending on people today being atoned by animal sacrifice, you are in desperate need of knowledge of salvation. Salvation is in Christ, not animals.

John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
Rom 10:9–10 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
Acts 16:31 They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.
Rom 3:22–24 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;
Gal 2:16 nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.

And that is for all
You really don't "get it" do you?

In order to claim Gentiles are saved or can be saved means they have to first be under the Law and the animal sacrifices that temporarily atoned for the children of Israel every year on Yom Kippur would also atone - temporarily - the sins of Gentiles. Scripture teaches Jesus came to fulfill the Law of Moses. And this is what He did. So, by saying that Gentiles are saved or can be saved by Israel's Messiah is to add to the Bible. There must be precedence. And it must be in the Old Testament Scripture. If it's not chapter and verse, then it is chatter or worse.

You teach Jesus lied about not coming to destroy the Law because NO ONE can change what has been written - not even God - nor can anyone add to the Bible because any addition - although impossible - would destroy the Law and Scripture and there is NOTHING upon which to rest our faith. But know I see you don't understand these things which is why you focus on the NT and reject the OT. You don't know what type and shadow means. You have been indoctrinated in false Constantinian Gentile theology.

What you show do is go back and come under a teacher who knows the Bible and be taught from the Old Testament the "First Principles of the Doctrine of Christ" before you go on to study the NT. On second thought, "don't." You keep believing your false theology. But now I know.
 
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