brightfame52
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Yes the old testament Gospel promises were inclusive to the Gentiles too, that was the mystery
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brightfame52
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See back in the Old Testament days the Gentiles were considered afar off and not interested in the Covenant Blessing promised to Israel, such as Jer 31:31-34, however Paul is saying they were interested and included in that Covenant Blessing and promises with Israel. It was a Mystery
jeremiah1five
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Show me the Scripture from the Old Testament where God makes covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles and tell me that Gentile's name that is recipient of God's covenant.
jeremiah1five
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The "MYSTERY" is Christ IN YOU.
brightfame52
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the old testament Gospel promises were inclusive to the Gentiles too, that was the mystery Ephesians 3
brightfame52
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The Gentiles were considered afar off, but the mystery is revealed Eph 3
jeremiah1five
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You still haven't provided the Old Testament reference of a covenant between God and non-Hebrew Gentiles nor have you provided that Gentile's name who is recipient of the non-Hebrew covenant promises nor provide me the details of said covenant from the Old Testament.
If there is no Old Testament reference then there is no New Testament reality. You can't add to the Bible things that are not there. The New Testament writings from Matthew to Revelation are New Covenant Jewish Christians who write to other Jews and Jewish Christians to describe and explain the New Covenant between God and the House of Israel and the House of Judah to Jews.
jeremiah1five
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Still waiting for the Old Testament reference or prophecy of a covenant between God and non-Hebrew Gentiles and the name of the Gentile who was recipient of said covenant and details of this covenant.
God made covenant with Abram the Hebrew and such covenant is described in the Old Testament. It is the basis of the New Covenant God would make through the sacrifice of His Son, Jesus Christ, on His cross at Calvary.
So, if you cannot provide from the Old Testament a covenant between God and non-Hebrew Gentiles for their salvation, then you're just adding to the Bible things not there in the Old Testament. Except for the lack of a covenant with Gentiles everything discussed in the New Testament concerning the New Covenant between God and Israel can be found in the Old Testament.
Another important point is God promising His Spirit to Israel as prophesied by Joel in chapter 2 of his "book."
God never promised His Spirit to non-Hebrew Gentiles and yet one needs the Holy Spirit to be born-again and saved. So, if there is no Old Testament precedent, then there can be no New Testament reality. Everything addressed in the New Covenant writings from Matthew to Revelation discusses and explains the New Covenant prophesied by Jeremiah and initiated by Jesus Christ at His last Passover but there is no evidence in the Old Testament or any prophecy or promise by God to non-Hebrew Gentiles and all this discussion of Gentiles being saved should be rejected as adding to the Bible things not contained in the Old Testament record.
brightfame52
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I did. The Gospel promises of Jeremiah 31 includes the Gentiles Eph 3
brightfame52
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Ephesians 3 shows that the Gentiles are recipient of the promises of the New Covenant of Jeremiah 31
jeremiah1five
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Jeremiah says nothing about Gentiles being included in the New Covenant.
Try again.
jeremiah1five
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I asked in the Old Testament. If there is no Old Testament precedence there is no New Testament reality.
And Jeremiah says NOTHING about Gentiles being included in the New Covenant.
Stop adding to the Bible.
Try again.
jeremiah1five
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I asked in the Old Testament. If there is no Old Testament precedence there is no New Testament reality.
And Jeremiah says NOTHING about Gentiles being included in the New Covenant.
Stop adding to the Bible.
Try again.
brightfame52
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Paul did. Jeremiah may not of understood it, it was a Mystery.
brightfame52
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Jeremiah promises of the new covenant to the house of Judah and Israel included the Gentiles Eph 3
brightfame52
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It was a Mystery to Jeremiah, but it was revealed to Paul Eph 2-3
jeremiah1five
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Saul only understood the New Covenant that was prophesied by Jeremiah. And this covenant included no Gentiles.
The "mystery" had nothing to do with Gentiles. The "mystery" was "Christ IN YOU."
jeremiah1five
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Jeremiah died centuries before Saul was born. And Saul's letter to Ephesus was written to Jews and Jewish Christians - and mixed heritage Jewish Christians - so that they may also know that God had kept His promise to send a "prophet like unto Moses." Jeremiah's prophecy of a New Covenant does not include Gentiles as the text in Jeremiah 31 says.
The New Covenant is a covenant in Jesus' blood and it includes God and the House of Israel (of ten tribes), and the House of Judah (of two tribes.)
There are no Gentiles included in any of the three Hebrew covenants (Abraham, Mosaic, and New.)
You are adding to the Bible.
jeremiah1five
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Jeremiah understood clearly the New Covenant he prophesied. He even describes it in 31:31-34 and it does not include Gentiles.
brightfame52
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The promises of the New Covenant in Jer 31 are Gospel promises and Paul by inspiration says Gentiles were included recipients of those promises, but it was a Mystery Eph 3 :4-6
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
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