Playful but actual misconceptions of scripture

[mikesw]

I heard a teaching on hermeneutics where some examples of misused verses were given. By playful, I mean that this discussion should avoid heavy debate or disagreements. Avoid anything too likely to upset people. The goal should be more lighthearted and almost silly misconceptions. The posts should convey brief ways to correct our thinking and biblical understanding in points that should be obvious if we just return the idea to its context.,

The first issue I include is the saying "you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free." This idea can be share on topics unrelated to the biblical context and may create a fake universal principle. In context of the preceding verse we see
John 8:31–32 (NKJV)
31Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed.
32And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”

 

[360watt]

'where two or three are gathered, there i am in the midst of them' from Jesus.

Weeeeeell..

People say that applies to all situations.

The context tho... is what?

Discipline in the local church.

 

[dwight92070]

"They went out from us, but they were not really of us, for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us." 1 John 2:19
This is often used to refer to fake Christians, or people among us who are not really believers, and then they leave. However, in context it refers to antchrists among us, from verse 18. Christ was a leader, so an antichrist is a fake leader, or a dishonest and deceptive "leader". If they can't get much of a following, they will leave, and start their own "church" or organization. For example, Kenneth Copeland and several other word of faith teachers have left the main church and created their own, built around themselves, not Jesus. They show that they are not of us, the genuine church.

 

[Keiw1]

"They went out from us, but they were not really of us, for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us." 1 John 2:19
This is often used to refer to fake Christians, or people among us who are not really believers, and then they leave. However, in context it refers to antchrists among us, from verse 18. Christ was a leader, so an antichrist is a fake leader, or a dishonest and deceptive "leader". If they can't get much of a following, they will leave, and start their own "church" or organization. For example, Kenneth Copeland and several other word of faith teachers have left the main church and created their own, built around themselves, not Jesus. They show that they are not of us, the genuine church.

99% of all the religions claiming to be Christian are false. The genuine religion that has Jesus serve the Abrahamic God=YHVH(Jehovah) a single being God and accept the real Jesus as the Messiah.

 

[mikesw]

99% of all the religions claiming to be Christian are false. The genuine religion that has Jesus serve the Abrahamic God=YHVH(Jehovah) a single being God and accept the real Jesus as the Messiah.

please refrain from bringing in debates being held in other threads. This discussion topic is about playful misconceptions -- just quickly addressed errors.

 

[360watt]

'where there is remission of these, there is no more sacrifice for sins'

many think this is salvic sacrifice for the believer.

content = animal sacrifice!

about the Hebrew believers not going back to the system of animal sacrifice under the OT covenant.

 

[dwight92070]

"And do not lead us into temptation," But the Holy Spirit led Jesus into the wilderness to be tempted (tested) by the devil. Matthew 4:1

This is what's called a double-negative. What Jesus is really saying is: Do not only lead us into temptation (to be tested), but also deliver us from evil.

Another one is: "Do not work for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, ..." John 6:27

So we should not work for our food? Of course we should work for our food.

Jesus is saying: Do not only work for the food which perishes, but also for the food which endures to eternal life ...

 

[Keiw1]

"And do not lead us into temptation," But the Holy Spirit led Jesus into the wilderness to be tempted (tested) by the devil. Matthew 4:1

This is what's called a double-negative. What Jesus is really saying is: Do not only lead us into temptation (to be tested), but also deliver us from evil.

Another one is: "Do not work for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, ..." John 6:27

So we should not work for our food? Of course we should work for our food.

Jesus is saying: Do not only work for the food which perishes, but also for the food which endures to eternal life ...

1) All are tempted daily in this satan ruled system-not by God.
2) Jesus was showing kingdom interests have the most importance in ones life. He promised if one put the kingdom first and Jehovah's righteousness , sustenance and covering would be provided by his Father( Matt 6:33) Matt 6)
3)

 

[mikesw]

Rom 12: 1 (NKJV)
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service.

People have completely missed the role of this verse (and verse 2 in connection with it). Although there is a decent but vague concept for conforming one's mind to honor and follow God, the actual function of verses 1-2 is to do the service to one another in verses 3-8. The implication is that the church in Rome had come to neglect the proper interactions to grow each other in strength and purity.
The deeper persuasive detail is that a person who can live as a sacrifice to God can readily turn that motivation into service to one another within the local church operation.
If anyone wants to debate this, take it to the Romans subgroup.