Only the Apostles were Predestined

[FreeInChrist]

Yes, but from the day I was baptized in the Holy Spirit I could hear God's voice. It is He who said to me, "Now, be baptized in water." It looks like the other three didn't count according to Him. And now He's given me a new gift that we know Satan counterfeits. The ability to see auras. Psychic mediums see colors around people. God's gift only sees auras during sermons which are prophecy, but not the future, the true interpretation of the Scriptures. I now know that if I see nothing, the sermon wasn't from God, it wasn't anointed.

What is wrong about my experiences and my "conversion" it was God's doing. Sorry, John Calvin was wrong. Calvin also started cessationism that many other Protestant denominations have chosen to accept.

I have all of the gifts of the Spirit except the last two from 1 Corinthians 12:8-10. Plus this "wonder" regarding my eyes not listed. But we see it in 1 Cor. 2:9-13.

And you are included in the ones who were predestined. Not ALL are.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Yes, but from the day I was baptized in the Holy Spirit I could hear God's voice. It is He who said to me, "Now, be baptized in water." It looks like the other three didn't count according to Him. And now He's given me a new gift that we know Satan counterfeits. The ability to see auras. Psychic mediums see colors around people. God's gift only sees auras during sermons which are prophecy, but not the future, the true interpretation of the Scriptures. I now know that if I see nothing, the sermon wasn't from God, it wasn't anointed.

There are no "auras." We judge sermons given from the pulpit or on a personal level in our conversations with others by whether such person says the same thing as God. Prophecy is judged by whether a person says the same thing as God. But not everyone is the mouth in the body of Christ. Not everyone has the same calling, the same gifts of the Spirit, the same place in His body. If a prophet says a thing in the name of God and that thing does not come to pass (speaking of fore-telling), then that is a word that is not of God. A prophet that forth-tells must say the same thing as God and we have the Scripture to judge any man who says he speaks for God.

What is wrong about my experiences and my "conversion" it was God's doing. Sorry, John Calvin was wrong. Calvin also started cessationism that many other Protestant denominations have chosen to accept.

I have all of the gifts of the Spirit except the last two from 1 Corinthians 12:8-10. Plus this "wonder" regarding my eyes not listed. But we see it in 1 Cor. 2:9-13.

I am sorry but I disagree with you. Not even Saul had "all the gifts" of the Spirit. The only One who did is Jesus Christ.
And it is the Spirit who gives the gifts out to believers "severally as He will."
The mark of a true prophet is not anything he says that is future, but what He says that is past and today. A true prophet is one who says everything that is written in Scripture, whether directly or through paraphrase. We must ALL see the same Jesus; we must ALL say the same thing as God. To do otherwise is to oppose God.
A true prophet or seer is one who bears the Word of God and is used of God to declare His counsel at opportune times and when such times are warranted.

 

[charismaticlady]

And you are included in the ones who were predestined. Not ALL are.

Why me?

 

[charismaticlady]

There are no "auras."

I prefer to say "halos." But once I saw black smoke billowing out of the pastor's head which was a backdrop for a tornado. What would you call that?

I am sorry but I disagree with you. Not even Saul had "all the gifts" of the Spirit. The only One who did is Jesus Christ.
And it is the Spirit who gives the gifts out to believers "severally as He will."
The mark of a true prophet is not anything he says that is future, but what He says that is past and today. A true prophet is one who says everything that is written in Scripture, whether directly or through paraphrase. We must ALL see the same Jesus; we must ALL say the same thing as God. To do otherwise is to oppose God.
A true prophet or seer is one who bears the Word of God and is used of God to declare His counsel at opportune times and when such times are warranted.

Well, not at the same time, but I've experienced them all from 1 Cor. 12 (except the last 2), Mark 16, Joel 2 (dreams and visions), and Ephesians 4 (Teacher), and some from Revelation 12. Jesus said the apostles would do more than He did. What gifts didn't Paul have?

 

[FreeInChrist]

Why me?

Because... of your accepted gifts from God... assuming you truly believe they are from Him Just like Jeremiah, and the Apostles and many others.... you were chosen for a purpose. You have explained your times though life... And you have gifts that no onthers have on here.

I have a friend from the UK who was chased away from a frum here... not banned, mind you, but made to feel so uncomfortable that I could not encourage her to join here because she was afraid of what she would run into.

She absolutely was pricked by the Holy Spirit and never looked back. And this one never had a bible in her house nor was a church goer.... but it all changed when God laid His finger on her. And she was a sponge soaking it all up. Family distanced themselves... which is a shame.... Now I feel she has a mission. I could not convince her of that.

 

[charismaticlady]

Because... of your accepted gifts from God... assuming you truly believe they are from Him Just like Jeremiah, and the Apostles and many others.... you were chosen for a purpose. You have explained your times though life... And you have gifts that no onthers have on here.

I have a friend from the UK who was chased away from a frum here... not banned, mind you, but made to feel so uncomfortable that I could not encourage her to join here because she was afraid of what she would run into.

She absolutely was pricked by the Holy Spirit and never looked back. And this one never had a bible in her house nor was a church goer.... but it all changed when God laid His finger on her. And she was a sponge soaking it all up. Family distanced themselves... which is a shame.... Now I feel she has a mission. I could not convince her of that.

While I was driving from Arizona to California I was in the Arizona desert and I heard God speak to me and said, "I am giving you the office of Teacher." Maybe if I am going to teach on something, I need to experience it, not just read about it. The most wonderful experience was when I went from a partial Christian who wondered if God existed, to not only a witness that God existed, but a personal friend, even family.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I prefer to say "halos." But once I saw black smoke billowing out of the pastor's head which was a backdrop for a tornado. What would you call that?


Well, not at the same time, but I've experienced them all from 1 Cor. 12 (except the last 2), Mark 16, Joel 2 (dreams and visions), and Ephesians 4 (Teacher), and some from Revelation 12. Jesus said the apostles would do more than He did. What gifts didn't Paul have?

There is an internal witness. And there is an external witness.
The internal witness is a great desire to serve the Lord, to say to God, "Here am I, send me."
But one must be careful of what they ask of God. Early one in my life and at many fellowship gatherings at church I have gone forward to the altar and said those words. With weeping and great tears, I have offered myself to the service of the Lord. I WANTED to do something for Him because I loved Him. Years later my offering of myself was accepted and the Lord placed upon me a calling that no one would want. A calling that comes with suffering and loneliness, and rejection. A calling in which the heart calls out to God for someone's need or salvation. A calling in which tears are collected to fill a bottle for others and a calling that comes with a broken heart.

The external witness is before the congregation. As you move about and have your being among the brethren and you operate your life in daily walk, others will see you for the things you may do. They may bless you. As you live your life among brethren others will witness your behavior, your words and your actions among men. People will see your heart and there will be a witness that you are a man of God or a daughter of the LORD. The pastor also. As he leads and cares for the sheep, there may be a need or a duty in which he will look to the congregation and pray for guidance. And he prays and prays.
Take a lesson from below.

1 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.
2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
3 And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away.
Acts 13:1–3.

At the church that was at Antioch (Syria) the brethren would gather for fellowship. Also among these brethren were prophets and teachers. Their names are Barnabas, Simeon, Lucius, Manaen, and Saul. Who was who cannot be discerned. But in a moment identities will be decided.

The ministry of a prophet is that he/she fore-tells, and he/she forth-tells.
The ministry of a teacher is that he or she clarifies truth.
These are spiritual offices.

This church fellowship has the prophet (the index finger in the hand of God), and the teacher (who is the pinky finger in the hand of God.) As they worshiped the Holy Spirit through the prophet said, "Separate me Barnabas and Saul for [a] work whereunto I have called them."

We can only surmise that these individuals loved God and may have also internally sought to serve their Lord. After this prophecy they gathered several times after to fast and this required time. But they prayed and fasted to confirm the prophecy and to establish the truthfulness of what was prophesied. Then, again the Holy Spirit through the prophet confirmed the earlier prophecy and the leadership laid hands on them and sent them away.

I take Acts 13:1-3 as a model of how a person is called in a fellowship. The internal witness of those who want to serve the Lord, and an external witness of the congregation who witness these things. When this fellowship concluded the church at Antioch would know these two (Barnabas and Saul) are apostles and are commissioned to do a work for the Lord. In the congregation everyone knows those that are called of the Spirit for there are no secrets in the body of Christ.

Now, if your experiences match Acts 13:1-3 then you have something. If not, then there is doubt. There may even be deception and error. This is something you'll have to consider as you relate your experiences to Scripture.

 

[charismaticlady]

There is an internal witness. And there is an external witness.
The internal witness is a great desire to serve the Lord, to say to God, "Here am I, send me."
But one must be careful of what they ask of God. Early one in my life and at many fellowship gatherings at church I have gone forward to the altar and said those words. With weeping and great tears, I have offered myself to the service of the Lord. I WANTED to do something for Him because I loved Him. Years later my offering of myself was accepted and the Lord placed upon me a calling that no one would want. A calling that comes with suffering and loneliness, and rejection. A calling in which the heart calls out to God for someone's need or salvation. A calling in which tears are collected to fill a bottle for others and a calling that comes with a broken heart.

The external witness is before the congregation. As you move about and have your being among the brethren and you operate your life in daily walk, others will see you for the things you may do. They may bless you. As you live your life among brethren others will witness your behavior, your words and your actions among men. People will see your heart and there will be a witness that you are a man of God or a daughter of the LORD. The pastor also. As he leads and cares for the sheep, there may be a need or a duty in which he will look to the congregation and pray for guidance. And he prays and prays.
Take a lesson from below.

1 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.
2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
3 And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away.
Acts 13:1–3.

At the church that was at Antioch (Syria) the brethren would gather for fellowship. Also among these brethren were prophets and teachers. Their names are Barnabas, Simeon, Lucius, Manaen, and Saul. Who was who cannot be discerned. But in a moment identities will be decided.

The ministry of a prophet is that he/she fore-tells, and he/she forth-tells.
The ministry of a teacher is that he or she clarifies truth.
These are spiritual offices.

This church fellowship has the prophet (the index finger in the hand of God), and the teacher (who is the pinky finger in the hand of God.) As they worshiped the Holy Spirit through the prophet said, "Separate me Barnabas and Saul for [a] work whereunto I have called them."

We can only surmise that these individuals loved God and may have also internally sought to serve their Lord. After this prophecy they gathered several times after to fast and this required time. But they prayed and fasted to confirm the prophecy and to establish the truthfulness of what was prophesied. Then, again the Holy Spirit through the prophet confirmed the earlier prophecy and the leadership laid hands on them and sent them away.

I take Acts 13:1-3 as a model of how a person is called in a fellowship. The internal witness of those who want to serve the Lord, and an external witness of the congregation who witness these things. When this fellowship concluded the church at Antioch would know these two (Barnabas and Saul) are apostles and are commissioned to do a work for the Lord. In the congregation everyone knows those that are called of the Spirit for there are no secrets in the body of Christ.

Now, if your experiences match Acts 13:1-3 then you have something. If not, then there is doubt. There may even be deception and error. This is something you'll have to consider as you relate your experiences to Scripture.

I'm fine with Acts 13. Though I do not call myself a Prophet because the only office I've heard God tell me He is giving me is Teacher. But I have prophesied, and it came to pass. And God answered my prayer to wipe my mind of all doctrines of denominations of men and demons, and to teach me the one and only true interpretation and holy doctrine of His. He has done that.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I'm fine with Acts 13. Though I do not call myself a Prophet because the only office I've heard God tell me He is giving me is Teacher. But I have prophesied, and it came to pass. And God answered my prayer to wipe my mind of all doctrines of denominations of men and demons, and to teach me the one and only true interpretation and holy doctrine of His. He has done that.

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