On The Question of Matthias

jeremiah1five said:
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Because of Peter’s disobedience the Gentile Church has been paying for his error ever since.
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After all of that long explanation, your final concluding statement is very telling. What exactly is the "Gentile Church". This is the faulty foundation that all of what you write is based on. There is no such thing. You have read the teaching in the New Testament how there is no more Jew or Gentile, etc.?
 
EclipseEventSigns said:
After all of that long explanation, your final concluding statement is very telling. What exactly is the "Gentile Church". This is the faulty foundation that all of what you write is based on. There is no such thing. You have read the teaching in the New Testament how there is no more Jew or Gentile, etc.?
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Yeah, I know. The Gentile Church (which God began bringing in after the destruction of the Temple and the "ism" of Judaism and Judaic Christianity ended) like to insert themselves in the covenants God made with the House of Israel, even making every attempt to usurp them from their everlasting covenants with God love to interpret Galatians 3:28-29 from a Gentile mindset as though Saul was writing to Gentiles, but he was not. ALL the New Covenant writings of Jewish Christians (Saul, Peter, James, Matthew, John, etc.), were written to and for Jewish Christians in Jewish Churches throughout the then-known world (Corinth, Ephesus, Thessalonica, etc.)
The almost 3000 Jews that were saved at the Feast of Harvests (Pentecost) went back to their homes in Gentile lands taking with them the Holy Spirit, an outline of Peter's sermon to the Jews in Acts 2, and Jesus, went to their synagogues and shared their experiences with their Jewish brethren. But a split soon occurred as they Jews could not reconcile their Messiah hanging of a tree. This was their stumbling stone. So, these Jewish Christians began to fellowship in their homes. In time the Jews persecuted and scattered the Jewish Christians even more in these Gentile lands and the good news of Israel's salvation went to new places as more and more Jews became saved and filled with the Holy Spirit. The Church Christ was building was founded by Jews. And for about 40 years until the destruction of their Temple Jews populated the New Covenant Church, which was essentially a continuation of the Great Congregation in the desert at the time of the Tabernacle in which God delivered upwards to 4 million Jews from Egypt.
After all, it was a Jewish Covenant, Jesus was a Jewish Messiah sent ONLY to the lost sheep of the House of Israel. Jesus even sent His disciples in Matthew 10 to the lost sheep of the House of Israel. So, from Pentecost to soon after the destruction of their Temple Israel was enjoying a very nice honeymoon with their Messiah, and it took time for these Jewish Christians to understand what effect their Messiah had on their covenants and Saul explains to them that if they were Christ's they were still Abraham's children/seed. Saul was addressing Jewish Christians in your supposed target Scripture of Galatians 3:28-29.

23 But before faith came, we [JEWS] were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us [JEWS] unto Christ, that we [JEWS] might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we [JEWS] are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye [JEWS] are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you [JEWS] as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye [JEWS] are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye [JEWS] be Christ’s, then are ye [JEWS] Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. Gal. 3:23–29.

Since the seed of Abraham are inheritors of the covenant it is appropriate for Saul to say "heirs according to the promise" since there is nowhere in the Law, Psalms, and the Prophets of God making covenant with hard-core, uncircumcised Gentiles. God is saving Gentiles without covenant. By the way, Gentile proselytes in small number would have heard about Jesus from these Jewish Christians that went back to their homes after Pentecost and I suggest you take care to interpret "Gentiles" in the New Covenant Scriptures. They may be the ones being referred to in these writings.

At the Marriage Supper Israel is there through Covenant.
Gentiles are there by invitation (Matt. 22.)
 
I agree somewhat with this church history fiction. But there's some other important factors that you don't incorporate. Yes, I agree that the majority of New Testament documents were addressed to Jewish believers - not Gentiles. It's a great exercise to carefully examine the beginnings of each of the texts as to whom they were actually addressed to. The other very important thing is that all the New Testament documents were originally written in Aramaic - the lingua franca of the Jewish people both in their homeland and throughout the Diaspora. That includes the Greek areas. Synagogues were officiated in Aramaic. Not Greek. And not Hebrew. Very early on these Aramaic document originals were translated into Greek. The Greek went West. The Aramaic to the East.

However, there are very specific places in some of Paul's letters where he very clearly addresses Gentile believers. The subject matter he's dealing with is not Jewish but clearly particular to Gentiles from a pagan background. The history of the church in Acts also describes the issues with making non-Jews into Torah following believers - something which was ruled early on to be forbidden.

So church history is quite a bit different from what Greek primacists commonly teach. And it's also different from what you seem to be espousing as well.
 
EclipseEventSigns said:
After all of that long explanation, your final concluding statement is very telling. What exactly is the "Gentile Church". This is the faulty foundation that all of what you write is based on. There is no such thing. You have read the teaching in the New Testament how there is no more Jew or Gentile, etc.?
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May I answer the question you asked, what is the gentile church? I will be very brief and just give you a couple of things to think about and if you are interested I can add some things later.

First, there are Jews and gentiles in the church, and the scriptures makes this clear. Here is the proof .

Galatians says this:

Ga 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Then the scriptures says this:

Ro 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.

And also the scripture says this:

Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

The "both" are Jewish believers and gentile believers.

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

The body is one but the entities that make it up are two different entities.
Here is more proof.

Gentiles
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

Jews
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

These men did not stop being Jews or apostle when they became part of the church.

Back to the verses I quoted from Galatians and Romans;

Galatians was written in 49 AD and Romans was written in 58 AD. So Paul was not saying there were not Jews and gentiles in the church of Jesus Christ but he is saying there is no difference because they are equally sons and joint heirs in the family of God. Paul claims he was still a Jew in AD 58 and 9 years after he had written Galatians. We know he was still an apostle of Christ and now we know he was in the foundation of the church, which is a holy habitation of the Spirit of God and is strictly Jewish.

All the time of the apostolic age, Judah enjoyed a national identity among the nations with the possibility that her covenants could be realized. But because of her failure to embrace her Messiah and be saved during the 40 years after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and his offer to them of his life giving Spirit, which they refused, they were driven out of their land, their temple where God met with them nationally was destroyed and they were driven to gentile lands where they came under the laws of gentiles. In this sense they are now reckoned by God as gentiles and God has already prepared the church to carry the gospel to the world and they can be saved. From 70 AD, it is a gentile church. The 8 gentile women of the OT who were married to Jewish men, like Rahab the harlot and Ruth the Moabite woman are types of Christ's gentile bride.
 
JD731 said:
May I answer the question you asked, what is the gentile church? I will be very brief and just give you a couple of things to think about and if you are interested I can add some things later.

First, there are Jews and gentiles in the church, and the scriptures makes this clear. Here is the proof .

Galatians says this:

Ga 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Then the scriptures says this:

Ro 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.

And also the scripture says this:

Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

The "both" are Jewish believers and gentile believers.

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

The body is one but the entities that make it up are two different entities.
Here is more proof.

Gentiles
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

Jews
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

These men did not stop being Jews or apostle when they became part of the church.

Back to the verses I quoted from Galatians and Romans;

Galatians was written in 49 AD and Romans was written in 58 AD. So Paul was not saying there were not Jews and gentiles in the church of Jesus Christ but he is saying there is no difference because they are equally sons and joint heirs in the family of God. Paul claims he was still a Jew in AD 58 and 9 years after he had written Galatians. We know he was still an apostle of Christ and now we know he was in the foundation of the church, which is a holy habitation of the Spirit of God and is strictly Jewish.

All the time of the apostolic age, Judah enjoyed a national identity among the nations with the possibility that her covenants could be realized. But because of her failure to embrace her Messiah and be saved during the 40 years after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and his offer to them of his life giving Spirit, which they refused, they were driven out of their land, their temple where God met with them nationally was destroyed and they were driven to gentile lands where they came under the laws of gentiles. In this sense they are now reckoned by God as gentiles and God has already prepared the church to carry the gospel to the world and they can be saved. From 70 AD, it is a gentile church. The 8 gentile women of the OT who were married to Jewish men, like Rahab the harlot and Ruth the Moabite woman are types of Christ's gentile bride.
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Two peoples. One Jewish, one Gentile. God is betrothed to Israel and the Church Christ built beginning on Pentecost is a continuation of the Great Congregation in the desert at the time of the Tabernacle in which over 3 million Jews were in covenant with God.
But God made no covenant with Gentiles or the seed of Gentiles.
And to bring clarity to your understanding: Saul wrote to Jewish Christians in the region of Galatia. The context of his words, especially Galatians 3:28-29, were to encourage his brethren in Christ and the problem and deep concern they had of Messiah's effect on the Abrahamic and Mosaic Covenants. Saul is telling them it was all OK. That if they (Jewish Christians) were Christ's, they were still Abraham's seed and still heir according to the promise (God made with Abraham.)
At the Marriage Supper Israel is there by Covenant.
Gentiles are there by invitation (Matt. 22.)
ALL the New Covenant Scriptures were written by Jewish Christians (Matthew, Saul, Peter, James, John, etc.), to and for Jewish Christians (@ Corinth, Ephesus, Rome, Philippi, etc.)
Read it with a Jewish mindset and not a Gentile mindset.
And come to the knowledge of the truth.
 
JD731 said:
May I answer the question you asked, what is the gentile church? I will be very brief and just give you a couple of things to think about and if you are interested I can add some things later.

First, there are Jews and gentiles in the church, and the scriptures makes this clear. Here is the proof .

Galatians says this:

Ga 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Then the scriptures says this:

Ro 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.

And also the scripture says this:

Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

The "both" are Jewish believers and gentile believers.

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

The body is one but the entities that make it up are two different entities.
Here is more proof.

Gentiles
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

Jews
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

These men did not stop being Jews or apostle when they became part of the church.

Back to the verses I quoted from Galatians and Romans;

Galatians was written in 49 AD and Romans was written in 58 AD. So Paul was not saying there were not Jews and gentiles in the church of Jesus Christ but he is saying there is no difference because they are equally sons and joint heirs in the family of God. Paul claims he was still a Jew in AD 58 and 9 years after he had written Galatians. We know he was still an apostle of Christ and now we know he was in the foundation of the church, which is a holy habitation of the Spirit of God and is strictly Jewish.

All the time of the apostolic age, Judah enjoyed a national identity among the nations with the possibility that her covenants could be realized. But because of her failure to embrace her Messiah and be saved during the 40 years after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and his offer to them of his life giving Spirit, which they refused, they were driven out of their land, their temple where God met with them nationally was destroyed and they were driven to gentile lands where they came under the laws of gentiles. In this sense they are now reckoned by God as gentiles and God has already prepared the church to carry the gospel to the world and they can be saved. From 70 AD, it is a gentile church. The 8 gentile women of the OT who were married to Jewish men, like Rahab the harlot and Ruth the Moabite woman are types of Christ's gentile bride.
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You are going to have provide actual proof that you know exactly when those books were written . Without that, I don't accept what you write.
 
EclipseEventSigns said:
You are going to have provide actual proof that you know exactly when those books were written . Without that, I don't accept what you write.
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Okay, I will not go into great detail now but will give you something to think on and we can talk later about it.

History tells us that Claudius gave order for all Jews to leave Rome in 54/55 AD. Paul would sometime later meet Aquila and Priscilla in Corinth and he would stay in Corinth for sometime and he wrote his letter to the Romans from there.

Acts 18:1 After these things Paul departed from Athens, and came to Corinth;
2 And found a certain Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, lately come from Italy, with his wife Priscilla; (because that Claudius had commanded all Jews to depart from Rome) and came unto them.
3 And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought: for by their occupation they were tentmakers.
4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
5 And when Silas and Timotheus were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ.
6 And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.
7 And he departed thence, and entered into a certain man’s house, named Justus, one that worshipped God, whose house joined hard to the synagogue.
8 And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized.
9 Then spake the Lord to Paul in the night by a vision, Be not afraid, but speak, and hold not thy peace:
10 For I am with thee, and no man shall set on thee to hurt thee: for I have much people in this city.
11 And he continued there a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them.

Corinth is in Europe where Paul traveled on his second missionary journey. He went to Galatia on his first missionary journey and that was in Asia minor. Here is the conclusion of that campaign that had produced churches in Galatia.

Acts 14:27 And when they were come, and had gathered the church (in Antioch) together, they rehearsed all that God had done with them, and how he had opened the door of faith unto the Gentiles.
Ac 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.

5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command [them] to keep the law of Moses.

These are the men who undermined the preaching of the apostle Paul in the Galatian churches to which Paul wrote his letter, giving them his rebuke and instruction.

Even if you do not accept my dates you will acknowledge that Galatians was written some time before Romans.

Ga 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

One can see that it was soon after Paul won them to Christ that these false teachers showed up to preach salvation by the works of the law.

Now, will you believe me?
 
JD731 said:
Okay, I will not go into great detail now but will give you something to think on and we can talk later about it.

History tells us that Claudius gave order for all Jews to leave Rome in 54/55 AD. Paul would sometime later meet Aquila and Priscilla in Corinth and he would stay in Corinth for sometime and he wrote his letter to the Romans from there.

Acts 18:1 After these things Paul departed from Athens, and came to Corinth;
2 And found a certain Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, lately come from Italy, with his wife Priscilla; (because that Claudius had commanded all Jews to depart from Rome) and came unto them.
3 And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought: for by their occupation they were tentmakers.
4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
5 And when Silas and Timotheus were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ.
6 And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.
7 And he departed thence, and entered into a certain man’s house, named Justus, one that worshipped God, whose house joined hard to the synagogue.
8 And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized.
9 Then spake the Lord to Paul in the night by a vision, Be not afraid, but speak, and hold not thy peace:
10 For I am with thee, and no man shall set on thee to hurt thee: for I have much people in this city.
11 And he continued there a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them.

Corinth is in Europe where Paul traveled on his second missionary journey. He went to Galatia on his first missionary journey and that was in Asia minor. Here is the conclusion of that campaign that had produced churches in Galatia.

Acts 14:27 And when they were come, and had gathered the church (in Antioch) together, they rehearsed all that God had done with them, and how he had opened the door of faith unto the Gentiles.
Ac 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.

5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command [them] to keep the law of Moses.

These are the men who undermined the preaching of the apostle Paul in the Galatian churches to which Paul wrote his letter, giving them his rebuke and instruction.

Even if you do not accept my dates you will acknowledge that Galatians was written some time before Romans.

Ga 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

One can see that it was soon after Paul won them to Christ that these false teachers showed up to preach salvation by the works of the law.

Now, will you believe me?
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No. It is not possible to know the exact year the letters were written.
 
JD731 said:
May I answer the question you asked, what is the gentile church? I will be very brief and just give you a couple of things to think about and if you are interested I can add some things later.

First, there are Jews and gentiles in the church, and the scriptures makes this clear. Here is the proof .

Galatians says this:

Ga 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Then the scriptures says this:

Ro 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.

And also the scripture says this:

Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

The "both" are Jewish believers and gentile believers.

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

The body is one but the entities that make it up are two different entities.
Here is more proof.

Gentiles
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

Jews
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

These men did not stop being Jews or apostle when they became part of the church.

Back to the verses I quoted from Galatians and Romans;

Galatians was written in 49 AD and Romans was written in 58 AD. So Paul was not saying there were not Jews and gentiles in the church of Jesus Christ but he is saying there is no difference because they are equally sons and joint heirs in the family of God. Paul claims he was still a Jew in AD 58 and 9 years after he had written Galatians. We know he was still an apostle of Christ and now we know he was in the foundation of the church, which is a holy habitation of the Spirit of God and is strictly Jewish.

All the time of the apostolic age, Judah enjoyed a national identity among the nations with the possibility that her covenants could be realized. But because of her failure to embrace her Messiah and be saved during the 40 years after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and his offer to them of his life giving Spirit, which they refused, they were driven out of their land, their temple where God met with them nationally was destroyed and they were driven to gentile lands where they came under the laws of gentiles. In this sense they are now reckoned by God as gentiles and God has already prepared the church to carry the gospel to the world and they can be saved. From 70 AD, it is a gentile church. The 8 gentile women of the OT who were married to Jewish men, like Rahab the harlot and Ruth the Moabite woman are types of Christ's gentile bride.
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Now, find and post all you said from the Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets. Follow Saul's reasoning and understanding to see if he got it right. And if he got it 'right' then our understanding should come to the same conclusions. This is called 'rightly dividing the word of truth.' And let's not ignore all the New Covenant Scriptures were written to Jewish Christians (Jews who became born again) in Israel and Gentile lands where these Jewish home churches were and their attempt at understanding Messiah's effect on their covenants. And let's not forget Gentile proselytes who were the first 'Gentiles' to hear the gospel for they were attending synagogue when these born-again Jews returned from Pentecost and witnessed Messiah, Peter's sermon, and this 'Holy Spirit' that invaded their lives.
 
jeremiah1five said:
Now, find and post all you said from the Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets. Follow Saul's reasoning and understanding to see if he got it right. And if he got it 'right' then our understanding should come to the same conclusions. This is called 'rightly dividing the word of truth.' And let's not ignore all the New Covenant Scriptures were written to Jewish Christians (Jews who became born again) in Israel and Gentile lands where these Jewish home churches were and their attempt at understanding Messiah's effect on their covenants. And let's not forget Gentile proselytes who were the first 'Gentiles' to hear the gospel for they were attending synagogue when these born-again Jews returned from Pentecost and witnessed Messiah, Peter's sermon, and this 'Holy Spirit' that invaded their lives.
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Sorry, not interested in trying to straighten out a plate of spaghetti.
 
Luke wrote what transpired and occurred. He is not teaching doctrine of the New Covenant.

I suppose that we can treat all historical documents the way the Gentile believers do and do things the way the historical documents record.
This would mean when we read our history books that record what Hitler did to the Jews, we just copy him and do it the same way.

As has been said many ways, "those that refuse to learn from history are condemned to repeat it."
 

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