No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

TomL said:
This translation just did twice.

2 Cor 5:14 For the love of Christ controls us once we have reached the conclusion that one man died for all and therefore all mankind has died.

Heb 2:9 What we do see is Jesus, who for a short while was made subordinate to the angels, crowned now with glory and honour because he suffered death, so that, by God’s gracious will, he should experience death for all mankind.
Click to expand...
Also you should let us know what translation you are using
 
TomL said:
You asked for a verse, and you were given more than one.

In other words, you were given what you asked for.

BTW all men, everyone, every man, all humanity

just as mankind is opposed to your theology
Click to expand...
he never addresses the verses which is sad. it would nice to see scripture actually exegeted.
 
TomL said:
Again question their understanding of faith.
Click to expand...
So how can we differentiate between James’s definition of faith and Paul's definition of faith? Notice that James mentions 'faith only" as in "faith without works". That means that he is talking about Faith Alone which was later translated as Sola Fide in Latin. Thus, Faith Alone or Sola Fide is being talked about in a negative sense - that even demons have that form of faith, as you pointed out. So, nobody should be proud of advocating "Sola Fide". We should all be advocating Paul's definition of faith that includes faithful works and not Sola Fide.

In other words, the key is the presence of qualifying words such as “only,” “alone,” or “sola.” When Scripture or anyone else uses terms like these, we know it is addressing the notion of faith isolated from works, which is what James rejects. Sola Fide—faith alone apart from works—corresponds to the kind of “faith only” that James says is dead (James 2:26).
 
synergy said:
So how can we differentiate between James’s definition of faith and Paul's definition of faith? Notice that James mentions 'faith only" as in "faith without works". That means that he is talking about Faith Alone which was later translated as Sola Fide in Latin. Thus, Faith Alone or Sola Fide is being talked about in a negative sense - that even demons have that form of faith, as you pointed out. So, nobody should be proud of advocating "Sola Fide". We should all be advocating Paul's definition of faith that includes faithful works and not Sola Fide.

In other words, the key is the presence of qualifying words such as “only,” “alone,” or “sola.” When Scripture or anyone else uses terms like these, we know it is addressing the notion of faith isolated from works, which is what James rejects. Sola Fide—faith alone apart from works—corresponds to the kind of “faith only” that James says is dead (James 2:26).
Click to expand...
I'm also one of those who believe both James and Paul are on the same page just saying it differently. I think of James with faith/works like Jesus and Paul talk about faith/fruit. Fruit/works with faith being synonyms. :)
 
civic said:
I'm also one of those who believe both James and Paul are on the same page just saying it differently. I think of James with faith/works like Jesus and Paul talk about faith/fruit. Fruit/works with faith being synonyms. :)
Click to expand...
I agree. For sure they're on the same page. That's a good way to look at it.

So nobody should be proud of the term "Sola Fide" because it stands for Faith Alone which James declares as dead in James 2:26.
 
synergy said:
So how can we differentiate between James’s definition of faith and Paul's definition of faith? Notice that James mentions 'faith only" as in "faith without works". That means that he is talking about Faith Alone which was later translated as Sola Fide in Latin. Thus, Faith Alone or Sola Fide is being talked about in a negative sense - that even demons have that form of faith, as you pointed out. So, nobody should be proud of advocating "Sola Fide". We should all be advocating Paul's definition of faith that includes faithful works and not Sola Fide.

In other words, the key is the presence of qualifying words such as “only,” “alone,” or “sola.” When Scripture or anyone else uses terms like these, we know it is addressing the notion of faith isolated from works, which is what James rejects. Sola Fide—faith alone apart from works—corresponds to the kind of “faith only” that James says is dead (James 2:26).
Click to expand...
James definition to me is that of mental ascent. His definition lacks the commitment that one sees in the definition of Paul. True faith is greater than mere mental assent and involves commitment.
 
atpollard said:
again ...

Only if God irresistibly drew all would all be saved.

  • For He says to Moses, "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION." - Romans 9:15 [NASB]
... "ON WHOM" is not "all"!
Click to expand...
Calvin will back you up with his double predestination of..."while the reprobate are destined for damnation," as wel as the Westminster Confession of Faith..... who quotes a lot of Calvin.
 
TomL said:
Are you ready to admit it does now appear

Both appear in the Revised English Bible.

It has a third reference at Heb 9:28

The New English Bible and the Complete Jewish Bible have at least one.
Click to expand...
I'm just saying include the translation. I still disagree, a lot of times these translations give their personal bias and not a theological, biblical meaning. It's not all mankind without exception in the original
 

Similar threads

civic
The Calvinists eisegesis of John 6:55
11 12 13
Replies
250
Views
3K
TomL
T
Grace ambassador
Is The Body Of Christ The Lamb's wife?
Replies
14
Views
326
e v e
e v e
S
They have their reward
Replies
1
Views
204
101G
101G
Administrator
Discussion of Mark
Replies
0
Views
66
Administrator
Administrator
Speculator
What's Wrong with Calvinism?
37 38 39
Replies
766
Views
6K
TomL
T
Back
Top Bottom