No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

[TomL]

No it doesn't , and I agree with all those scriptures

Falsehood

You believe some who do not believe will be made alive.

John 3:36 (NASB 95) — 36 He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

Faith is granted by the word of God

Romans 10:17 (LEB) — 17 Consequently, faith comes by hearing, and hearing through the word about Christ.

John 20:31 (LEB) — 31 but these things are recorded in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

2 Timothy 3:15 (LEB) — 15 and that from childhood you have known the holy writings that are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

1 Thessalonians 2:13 (NASB 95) — 13 For this reason we also constantly thank God that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God, which also performs its work in you who believe.

Romans 10:6–14 (NASB 95) — 6 But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, ‘WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?’ (that is, to bring Christ down), 7 or ‘WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).” 8 But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for “WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.” 14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?

Romans 1:16 (NASB 95) — 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

 

[civic]

Frankly sir, you know not of what you speak.

I was raised atheist in a world of atheists and I can assure you that the Calvin vs Arminius debate was a matter of complete inconsequence to our disbelief in your invisible unicorn in the sky called “god”. Exchanges like those found in any gathering of so-called Christians is far greater proof of God’s non-existence. Still greater proof is the so-called “problem of evil” and God’s apparent complete indifference to it.

No, both predestination and free will are nonsensical arguments when stood against empirical reality.
Only the supernatural revelation of the REALITY of God (like what confronted Saul on the road to Damascus) could force the sort of re-evaluation needed to overcome the contrary empirical evidence.

How do you deal with Gods assessment of proof/ evidence of His existence which He declares is self evident in the second half of Roman’s chapter 1. Just because the atheist makes claims does not mean they are true but are in fact deceived. A lie is a lie no matter how one tries to sugar coat it and make it sound “ reasonable “ .

 

[Cyrus]

You beating a dead horse

That's the problem, your same o ' same o ' is getting old and has a bad odor.

 

[Cyrus]

Salvation is offered to all. John 12:32 says: And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Revelation 22:17 says: And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Romans 10:13 says: For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Titus 2:11 says: For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men.

Why would the grace of God appear to all men if most of them are already and very decidedly doomed to Hell, and there is nothing they can do about it? Is God dangling a “carrot” of salvation in front of all men, only to yank it away and send most of them to Hell, whether they would have chosen that salvation or not?

What a morbid view of God Calvinist's have. And an unbiblical one!

 

[brightfame52]

So you want to continue with the idea that "all men", in 1 Tim. 2:4, are the elect (born or not) which means that the non-elect are all women. That proves conclusively that Calvinism is nothing but sheer idiocy. When will you start using your God-given mind and break out of that calvinist lunacy?

Yeah the all men that God desires to be saved are the elect. God does not desire the vessels of Wrath that He fits for destruction to be saved that's lunacy

 

[brightfame52]

Then it should be easy for you to do so again. Or are you afraid of being found out?

I could do it again but I'm not you should have been paying attention the first time.

 

[brightfame52]

Totally false

Totally true you have not posted one scripture that I don't agree with

 

[brightfame52]

That's the problem, your same o ' same o ' is getting old and has a bad odor.

Seems to be capturing your interest

 

[brightfame52]

Salvation is offered to all. John 12:32 says: And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

John 12:32 says absolutely nothing about anything being offered that's a man-made doctrine

 

[TomL]

Totally true you have not posted one scripture that I don't agree with

Totally false

You believe God makes alive unbelievers

But scripture teachesthose who do not believe will not see life

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 3:18 The one who believes in him is not judged, but the one who does not believe has already been judged, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.

Mark 16:16 The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.

John 8:24 Thus I said to you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.”

1 John 5:10–13 (The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. The one who does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has testified concerning his Son.) And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. The one who has the Son has the life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.

So scripture refutes Calvinism’s belief that unbelievers may be given life so that they may believe

 

[synergy]

Yeah the all men that God desires to be saved are the elect. God does not desire the vessels of Wrath that He fits for destruction to be saved that's lunacy

So you're offering no salvation for all women, I see. Your male chauvenism is on display for all to see.

 

[brightfame52]

Totally false

No totally true how you going to tell me what scripture I believe

 

[TomL]

Yeah the all men that God desires to be saved are the elect. God does not desire the vessels of Wrath that He fits for destruction to be saved that's lunacy

um

Ephesians 2:3 (NASB 95) — 3 Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.

 

[civic]

So you're offering no salvation for all women, I see. Your male chauvenism is on display for all to see.

oops

 

[TomL]

No totally true how you going to tell me what scripture I believe

See here

Totally false

You believe God makes alive unbelievers

Can you deny you hold this?

But scripture teaches those who do not believe will not see life

Can you rebut this?

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 3:18 The one who believes in him is not judged, but the one who does not believe has already been judged, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.

Mark 16:16 The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.

John 8:24 Thus I said to you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.”

1 John 5:10–13 (The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. The one who does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has testified concerning his Son.) And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. The one who has the Son has the life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.

So scripture refutes Calvinism’s belief that unbelievers may be given life so that they may believe

 

[brightfame52]

So you're offering no salvation for all women, I see. Your male chauvenism is on display for all to see.

Why would you say that there are women that are elect. The word anthropos for man means human being male or female in the scripture

 

[brightfame52]

um

Ephesians 2:3 (NASB 95) — 3 Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.

Those are vessels of mercy See Eph2:4

 

[Rory Wilson]

Why would you say that there are women that are elect. The word anthropos for man means human being male or female in the scripture

So all men and women are able to come to Christ to attain mercy and forgiveness.

That's the good news of the gospel.

 

[brightfame52]

You believe God makes alive unbelievers

Yes unbelievers who were dead in trespasses and sins He makes a lie Ephesians 2:5. When he made them alive they were children of disobedience or unbelief Ephesians 2:2

 

[TomL]

Yes unbelievers who were dead in trespasses and sins He makes a lie Ephesians 2:5. When he made them alive they were children of disobedience or unbelief Ephesians 2:2

You ignored this

Scripture teaches those who do not believe will not see life

Can you rebut this?

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 3:18 The one who believes in him is not judged, but the one who does not believe has already been judged, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.

Mark 16:16 The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.

John 8:24 Thus I said to you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.”

1 John 5:10–13 (The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. The one who does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has testified concerning his Son.) And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. The one who has the Son has the life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.

If you actually believed those verses show God will make alive unbelievers, you would have presented an argument that actually addresses them, but you can't and do not really care to even attempt such an effort.