synergy
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So if you agree that "the word anthropos for man means human being male or female in the scripture" then that proves that God wants all anthropos/humanity be saved. Who else is there, aliens?
No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !
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brightfame52
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There is no offer in that scripture
brightfame52
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No I won't you should have paid attention.
Oh please
brightfame52
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The laugh is on you my friend it never says that they were vessels of wrath they were by nature children of wrath as others however they were vessels of Mercy what does it say in verse 4
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
God had no wrath against those individuals they were objects of Mercy Rich Mercy
brightfame52
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No it doesn't prove that ,that's just like saying 2 + 2 = 5 scripture has never said God wants all humanity to be saved, there are actual people, vessels of wrath He created for wrath and destruction Rom 9So if you agree that "the word anthropos for man means human being male or female in the scripture" then that proves that God wants all anthropos/humanity be saved. Who else is there, aliens?
brightfame52
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Oh please what?
To describe the human will as free is to say something about the way it functions. In one sense, then, to speak of the will as free is to say something redundant. Be careful how you deny free will: you may very well deny the will itself. To be sure, when we use the term free will we intend to convey the notion that choices are involved.
brightfame52
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Nobody's will is free from the control of the sovereignty of God, even kings Prov 21:1
The king's heart is in the hand of the Lord, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.
The word heart includes the will, it's the word lēḇ:
inner man, mind, will, heart, understanding
Many people grow up in homes that teach religion in some form or another. I did. I grew up in a home where Sunday church attendance was an absolute priority, but we never talked about God in our home except during a small handful of emergencies.
Then we would say our memorized prayers and cry our eyes out to God for help. But once the crisis was over and we were back to the daily business of living, God was out of sight and out of mind. He seemed far away, perched up on a cloud somewhere watching to see if I was being a good little girl.
Then we would say our memorized prayers and cry our eyes out to God for help. But once the crisis was over and we were back to the daily business of living, God was out of sight and out of mind. He seemed far away, perched up on a cloud somewhere watching to see if I was being a good little girl.
Jeremiah was a bull frog
Was a good friend of mine
I never understood a single word he said
Joy to the world
Joy to the fishes in the deep blue sea
Joy to you and me
You ignored the part when they were children of wrath
Ephesians 2:3 (NASB 95) — 3 Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.
Did you forget you claimed those children of wrath were justified all along
According to scripture however
Ephesians 2:12 (NASB 95) — 12 remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
Your claim they were justified from birth is erroneous.
So contrary to scripture you make God the source of all of man's evil
James 1:13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone.
James 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust.
brightfame52
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By nature they were children of wrath, not vessels of wrath, the vessels of wrath are fitted for destruction Rom 9, you are not rightly dividing the word of God. These children of wrath by nature are recipients of Great Love and Rich Mercy, which you ignore
brightfame52
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Man's will/heart is in the Hand of the Lord and He turns it as He will. Our will is not free from that
synergy
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Only aliens are not anthropos with the same intelligence. You must be a UFO Believer. Tell us about your Aliens Belief.
brightfame52
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There are people God made to fit them for destruction that's hellOnly aliens are not anthropos with the same intelligence. You must be a UFO Believer. Tell us about your Aliens Belief.
TibiasDad
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You never said anything to which to pay attention. You can’t quote something that was never said; all you have to do is quote the passage that says salvation precedes faith. But you can’t, and haven’t, because it doesn’t exist except in the land of leprechauns and centaurs.
Doug
TibiasDad
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Which means they were born of vessels of wrath and infected with the same disease that made their parents vessels of wrath. We are all this, and only the gospel provides a way out of this path. All may believe the good news, but only a few will choose to do so.
Doug
