brightfame52
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No it doesn't
No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !
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brightfame52
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Faith is a gift Ephesians 2:8
civic
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Ditto
TibiasDad
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brightfame52
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Yes I have and it doesn't exist to you.
synergy
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If "all men", in 1 Tim. 2:4, are the elect (born or not) then what are the non-elect, all women??? Calvinism is nothing but sheer idiocy. It's time to start using your God-given mind and break out of that calvinist lunacy.
Ephesians 2:8–9 (NASB 95) — 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Um salvation is the gift
Gramatically the word "faith" is feminine while the word "that" is of a neuter tense
So nothing states faith is the gift here.
Salvation however is known as the gift of God
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord
Rom 5:15–17 But the free gift is not like the transgression. For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many. The gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned; for on the one hand the judgment arose from one transgression resulting in condemnation, but on the other hand the free gift arose from many transgressions resulting in justification. For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
You ignored scripture once again
Yeah it does
That is an error that denies scripture
John 3:36 (NASB 95) — 36 He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
Faith is granted by the word of God
Romans 10:17 (LEB) — 17 Consequently, faith comes by hearing, and hearing through the word about Christ.
John 20:31 (LEB) — 31 but these things are recorded in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
2 Timothy 3:15 (LEB) — 15 and that from childhood you have known the holy writings that are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
1 Thessalonians 2:13 (NASB 95) — 13 For this reason we also constantly thank God that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God, which also performs its work in you who believe.
Romans 10:6–14 (NASB 95) — 6 But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, ‘WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?’ (that is, to bring Christ down), 7 or ‘WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).” 8 But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for “WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.” 14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?
Romans 1:16 (NASB 95) — 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
The difference is I post the scripture, and you do not deal with but ignore it.
You could not even post what Doug asked of you
You’re avoiding the question: what scripture specifically states that salvation is given in order to allow us to believe?
brightfame52
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Same thing with 1st Timothy 2:4 is the elect God does not desire the salvation of the vessels of Mercy
brightfame52
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So is the faith, it's of Grace and not of ourselves
brightfame52
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No it doesn't , and I agree with all those scriptures
brightfame52
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You have not posted any scripture that I don't agree with
Amos
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Calvinism is a low view of the gospel. The gospel literally means “the good news.” Here’s how Christianity has traditionally understood this “good news” with the help of the G.O.S.P.E.L. acronym:
G – God–a perfect being–created all people to be in an eternal loving relationship with Him (that is the objective purpose of life – this is why humanity exist).(Psalm 100:3)
O – Our sins (emphasis on “our”) infect us and separate us from God (like oil and water, necessary perfection and infection do not mix). (Romans 3:23)
S – Sins cannot be removed by good deeds (there’s nothing we as infected people can do about it – we need a miracle). (Isaiah 64:6)
P – Paying the price for sin, Jesus died and rose again (this is that miracle – Jesus paid it all). (Romans 5:8)
E – Everyone who freely trusts in Christ alone – and has not rejected His offer of love and grace – has eternal life (John 3:16).
L – Life with Jesus starts now and lasts forever (to infinity . . . and beyond). (John 10:28)
But Calvinism literally preaches a different gospel. Consider Paul’s words in Galatians 1: 6-8:
6 I am surprised and astonished that you are so quickly turning renegade and deserting Him Who invited and called you by the grace (unmerited favor) of Christ (the Messiah) [and that you are transferring your allegiance] to a different [even an opposition] gospel.
7 Not that there is [or could be] any other [genuine Gospel], but there are [obviously] some who are troubling and disturbing and bewildering you [with a different kind of teaching which they offer as a gospel] and want to pervert and distort the Gospel of Christ (the Messiah) [into something which it absolutely is not].
8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to and different from that which we preached to you, let him be accursed (anathema, devoted to destruction, doomed to eternal punishment)!
brightfame52
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No it's not , it highlights the Grace of God in Salvation, and Grace in salvation is limited to a remnant not all mankind.
brightfame52
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Actually God created some men for destruction, and they are called the vessels of wrath which He fits and they fit themselves for destruction Rom 9
synergy
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So you want to continue with the idea that "all men", in 1 Tim. 2:4, are the elect (born or not) which means that the non-elect are all women. That proves conclusively that Calvinism is nothing but sheer idiocy. When will you start using your God-given mind and break out of that calvinist lunacy?
Doug Brents
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Then it should be easy for you to do so again. Or are you afraid of being found out?
Totally false
Those who do not believe will not see life
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
John 3:18 The one who believes in him is not judged, but the one who does not believe has already been judged, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.
Mark 16:16 The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.
John 8:24 Thus I said to you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.”
1 John 5:12 The one who has the Son has the life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.
So scripture refutes Calvinism’s belief that unbelievers may be given life so that they may believe
Doug Brents
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Your point here is that this is a gifting of an additional measure of faith beyond what is required to be saved. That is beside the point. The point is that the faith required to be saved must come from man, and it must come BEFORE salvation is received. God has given the Gospel to all mankind, and because faith comes through hearing the Gospel, that faith is available to all mankind.
