Doug Brents
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You have shown nothing.
No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !
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He redefines the term to mean all the elect
While Christ did die for all, forgiveness and salvation are given only to those that believe.
That is an error that denies scripture
John 3:36 (NASB 95) — 36 He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
Faith is granted by the word of God
Romans 10:17 (LEB) — 17 Consequently, faith comes by hearing, and hearing through the word about Christ.
John 20:31 (LEB) — 31 but these things are recorded in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
2 Timothy 3:15 (LEB) — 15 and that from childhood you have known the holy writings that are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
1 Thessalonians 2:13 (NASB 95) — 13 For this reason we also constantly thank God that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God, which also performs its work in you who believe.
Romans 10:6–14 (NASB 95) — 6 But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, ‘WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?’ (that is, to bring Christ down), 7 or ‘WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).” 8 But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for “WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.” 14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?
Romans 1:16 (NASB 95) — 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
You have been deceived.
dwight92070
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Romans 12:3 "... as God has allotted to each (Christian) a measure of faith." Obviously this is in addition to the faith required to get saved in the first place. But this verse, in which Paul is addressing Christians, tells us that at least one result of being saved is that God gives us an additional measure of faith.
TibiasDad
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Kokomo
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That's just you opinion.
As we are just getting warmed up.It's a low down dirty shame how the Calvinism’s misrepresentation of the God of the Bible, whom I love with all my heart, has has given atheists a reason not to believe in Him.
Kokomo
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I know at carm you have seen a lot of that. And never once backed down. We are lucky to have you here.
civic
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That’s for sure
brightfame52
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That applies only to believers from Jewish fold and Gentile fold
brightfame52
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Yes I have
brightfame52
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No it doesn't
brightfame52
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I say the same about you my friend
brightfame52
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I already did you just don't receive it
synergy
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First of all, you make Paul out to be a liar when he wrote that God “desires all men to be saved” (1 Tim. 2:4) and is “not willing that any should perish” (2 Pet. 3:9).
Second of all, Calvinism cannot explain why God “endured with much longsuffering” (Romans 9:22) something that He Himself unalterably decreed to happen in every detail. Longsuffering is meaningful only if someone is responding to something other than His own determinate will. In other words, you want us to believe that God endured his own decree.
So stop with the calvinist heresies already.
Kokomo
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They are getting old.
TibiasDad
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Handaan
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God’s Word declares that the gospel, which is “the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth” Romans 1: 16, is “good tidings of great joy,” not just to certain elect, but “to all people” Luke 2: 10.
Sadly, the insistence that only a select group have been elected to salvation is not “good tidings of great joy to all people”! How can such a doctrine be biblical?
Sadly, the insistence that only a select group have been elected to salvation is not “good tidings of great joy to all people”! How can such a doctrine be biblical?
brightfame52
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The vessels of wrath are excluded from those verses, it is God's will that they perish, so you don't understand those verses.
synergy
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So, God is “not willing that any should perish” (2 Pet. 3:9) is actually "it is God's will that they perish"????? "Any" and "all men" mean everyone. So again, you have violated the Law of Noncontradiction. Calvinism is a disease that destroys people's ability to think logically.
