brightfame52
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No I have not
No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !
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brightfame52
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No you have not and I agree with all those scriptures
Contrarywise
You almost always are
John 3:16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
Acts 16:31They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
Rom 10:9–10that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
Eph 2:8–9For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Mark 16:16He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
Rom 1:16For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
John 3:36He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
John 5:24“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
Yeah you have
You ignored this
This is the drawing of Old Testament saints during the time of Christ’s Earthly dwelling
John 6:45 (NASB95) — 45 “It is written in the prophets, ‘AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.
Those who heard and learned come to the son
Those who believe Moses
John 5:46 (LEB) — 46 For if you had believed Moses, you would believe me, for that one wrote about me.
Believe Christ
Those who had God as their father
John 8:42 (LEB) — 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your father, you would love me, for I have come forth from God and have come. For I have not come from myself, but that one sent me.
Love Christ
Those desiring the will of God
John 7:17 (LEB) — 17 If anyone wants to do his will, he will know about my teaching, whether it is from God or I am speaking from myself.
Will know Christ's teaching is from God
Those who were God’s
John 17:6 (LEB) — 6 “I have revealed your name to the men whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours, and you have given them to me, and they have kept your word.
And we see scripture states man has the ability to have the faith that leads to salvation
Romans 10:8–10 (NASB95) — 8 But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation
TibiasDad
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You said “without spiritual life and ability to do or act.” Sinning is a spiritual act. We are prone to sin, but not everything we do is a sin. Remember, Job was a righteous man!
Doug
brightfame52
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When God draws an individual its His Divine Call or Summons or Gathering in and which results in Faith in Christ. We know this because the ones He calls according to Rom 8:30 He also Justifies them Rom 8:30
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
And that incudes Faith as promised Rom 3:30
Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Gal 3:8
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Therefore, God's drawing is His calling/summon of the elect and it will be resulting in faith in Christ 15
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
And that incudes Faith as promised Rom 3:30
Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Gal 3:8
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Therefore, God's drawing is His calling/summon of the elect and it will be resulting in faith in Christ 15
brightfame52
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No I have not
brightfame52
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Under the spirit of disobedience, not a fruit of the Holy Spirit
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedienc
You have your spirits mixed up
FreeInChrist
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I never was saved until I believed/faith
TibiasDad
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Deut 30:11 Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach.
We are capable of not sinning at any given moment.
Doug
Yes you have
This is the drawing of Old Testament saints during the time of Christ’s Earthly dwelling
John 6:45 (NASB95) — 45 “It is written in the prophets, ‘AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.
Those who heard and learned come to the son
Those who believe Moses
John 5:46 (LEB) — 46 For if you had believed Moses, you would believe me, for that one wrote about me.
Believe Christ
Those who had God as their father
John 8:42 (LEB) — 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your father, you would love me, for I have come forth from God and have come. For I have not come from myself, but that one sent me.
Love Christ
Those desiring the will of God
John 7:17 (LEB) — 17 If anyone wants to do his will, he will know about my teaching, whether it is from God or I am speaking from myself.
Will know Christ's teaching is from God
Those who were God’s
John 17:6 (LEB) — 6 “I have revealed your name to the men whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours, and you have given them to me, and they have kept your word.
And we see scripture states man has the ability to have the faith that leads to salvation
Romans 10:8–10 (NASB95) — 8 But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation
Kokomo
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Any one can come and drink deeply from the well of salvation (Jesus)
2. although in fact it was not Jesus who baptized, but his disciples.
3. So he left Judea and went back once more to Galilee.
4. Now he had to go through Samaria. 5 So he came to a town in Samaria called Sychar, near the plot of ground Jacob had given to his son Joseph. 6 Jacob’s well was there, and Jesus, tired as he was from the journey, sat down by the well. It was about noon.
7. When a Samaritan woman came to draw water, Jesus said to her, “Will you give me a drink?”
8.(His disciples had gone into the town to buy food.)
9. The Samaritan woman said to him, “You are a Jew and I am a Samaritan woman. How can you ask me for a drink?” (For Jews do not associate with Samaritans)
10. Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.”
11. “Sir,” the woman said, “you have nothing to draw with and the well is deep. Where can you get this living water? 12 Are you greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did also his sons and his livestock?”
13. Jesus answered, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, 14 but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”
15. The woman said to him, “Sir, give me this water so that I won’t get thirsty and have to keep coming here to draw water.”
Hearing the gospel
Believing the gospel
The new birth
Jesus Talks With a Samaritan Woman
John 4:1. Now Jesus learned that the Pharisees had heard that he was gaining and baptizing more disciples than John—2. although in fact it was not Jesus who baptized, but his disciples.
3. So he left Judea and went back once more to Galilee.
4. Now he had to go through Samaria. 5 So he came to a town in Samaria called Sychar, near the plot of ground Jacob had given to his son Joseph. 6 Jacob’s well was there, and Jesus, tired as he was from the journey, sat down by the well. It was about noon.
7. When a Samaritan woman came to draw water, Jesus said to her, “Will you give me a drink?”
8.(His disciples had gone into the town to buy food.)
9. The Samaritan woman said to him, “You are a Jew and I am a Samaritan woman. How can you ask me for a drink?” (For Jews do not associate with Samaritans)
10. Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.”
11. “Sir,” the woman said, “you have nothing to draw with and the well is deep. Where can you get this living water? 12 Are you greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did also his sons and his livestock?”
13. Jesus answered, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, 14 but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”
15. The woman said to him, “Sir, give me this water so that I won’t get thirsty and have to keep coming here to draw water.”
Hearing the gospel
- The new birth is said to occur through the "living and abiding word of God," which is the gospel message itself (1 Peter 1:23).
- This is supported by Romans 10:17, which states, "faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ".
- This perspective suggests that hearing the gospel is essential for a person to be born again.
Believing the gospel
- Believing in the gospel is understood as an essential part of this process.
- It involves acknowledging Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord and believing in the truth of his life, death, and resurrection.
- Believing is not a work, but a God-given response to the gospel message that is heard.
The new birth
- Hearing and believing the gospel are seen as inseparable from the experience of being "born again".
- When a person hears the gospel and their faith responds, they are considered to be born again, or regenerated.
- This process is understood to be a supernatural work of the Holy Spirit, which leads to a new spiritual life.
Deuteronomy 30:15–16 (NASB95) — 15 “See, I have set before you today life and prosperity, and death and adversity; 16 in that I command you today to love the LORD your God, to walk in His ways and to keep His commandments and His statutes and His judgments, that you may live and multiply, and that the LORD your God may bless you in the land where you are entering to possess it.
brightfame52
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Okay if you say so
brightfame52
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No I have not
Kokomo
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Believing is a God-given response to the gospel message that is heard.
If believing is a God-given response, then why is that response not the same for everyone who hears the gospel message?
As always you ignore scripture
Yes you have
This is the drawing of Old Testament saints during the time of Christ’s Earthly dwelling
John 6:45 (NASB95) — 45 “It is written in the prophets, ‘AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.
Those who heard and learned come to the son
Those who believe Moses
John 5:46 (LEB) — 46 For if you had believed Moses, you would believe me, for that one wrote about me.
Believe Christ
Those who had God as their father
John 8:42 (LEB) — 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your father, you would love me, for I have come forth from God and have come. For I have not come from myself, but that one sent me.
Love Christ
Those desiring the will of God
John 7:17 (LEB) — 17 If anyone wants to do his will, he will know about my teaching, whether it is from God or I am speaking from myself.
Will know Christ's teaching is from God
Those who were God’s
John 17:6 (LEB) — 6 “I have revealed your name to the men whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours, and you have given them to me, and they have kept your word.
And we see scripture states man has the ability to have the faith that leads to salvation
Romans 10:8–10 (NASB95) — 8 But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation
You cannot contradict what God himself stated
Deut 30:11 Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach.
