atpollard
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Present tense verbs ...
- now believing = life (now)
- now not believing = no life (later); damnation (now)
No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !
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Afraid not
As Calvinism has the not now believing made alive so they can believe
Hello
brightfame52
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No I'm not, I'm in agreement with God. Another verse in the same chapter confirmed that His Death causes or effects Faith Jn 12:23-24
23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
The fruit is believing converts, as a result of Him dying!
That appears to be an assumption
Christ's death provides an opportunity for salvation to all men
Those who believe receive it those who do not believe do not receive life
brightfame52
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All them He died for are made alive and believe
brightfame52
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Jesus is here clearly intimating that His death will cause many to be saved, fruit
Sure, all who believe will.
brightfame52
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His dying causes, produces the fruit of believing.
brightfame52
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True, fruit is life, That is why Jesus is Glorified
brightfame52
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All who become believers
TibiasDad
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This has nothing to do with salvation, but rather God’s sovereignty to do as he pleases, regardless of human protocols or traditions. God chose to work through the younger rather than the first born twin.Those He has mercy on BELIEVE!
And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad--in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls-- she was told, "The older will serve the younger." - Romans 9:10-12 [ESV]
Scripture puts belief before all effects of salvation in man.
Doug
Nope
He died for the whole world, but the whole world will not become believers only
brightfame52
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Believing in Christ is the effect of Salvation by Christ
brightfame52
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Oh yeah in essence Christ only died for believers
Darby
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What did Calvin say? Did he believe in this double predestination, including God’s sovereign reprobation of certain human persons to hell?
He wrote: “God once established by his eternal and unchangeable plan those whom he long before determined once for all to receive into salvation, and those whom, on the other hand, he would devote to destruction.” Lest anyone misunderstand him, Calvin drove his point home by ridiculing those who accept election but reject reprobation, calling that an “absurd” notion:
“Therefore, those whom God passes over, he condemns; and this he does for no other reason than that he wills to exclude them from the inheritance which he predestines for his own children.”
What a the horrible Teaching.
He wrote: “God once established by his eternal and unchangeable plan those whom he long before determined once for all to receive into salvation, and those whom, on the other hand, he would devote to destruction.” Lest anyone misunderstand him, Calvin drove his point home by ridiculing those who accept election but reject reprobation, calling that an “absurd” notion:
“Therefore, those whom God passes over, he condemns; and this he does for no other reason than that he wills to exclude them from the inheritance which he predestines for his own children.”
What a the horrible Teaching.
brightfame52
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God does all for his Glory
TibiasDad
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TibiasDad
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brightfame52
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There's no exact quote, I have given my scripture reasons for my statement
