brightfame52
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Yes it does
No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !
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Darby
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Condemnation is not arbitrary but the just consequence of persistent rebellion and a rejection of God's provided salvation through Jesus Christ.
“God sovereignly decreed that man should be free to exercise moral choice, and man from the beginning has fulfilled that decree by making his choice between good and evil. When he chooses to do evil, he does not thereby countervail the sovereign will of God but fulfills it, inasmuch as the eternal decree decided not which choice the man should make but that he should be free to make it.
If in His absolute freedom God has willed to give man limited freedom, who is there to stay His hand or say, ‘What doest thou?’ Man’s will is free because God is sovereign. A God less than sovereign could not bestow moral freedom upon His creatures. He would be afraid to do so.” – A.W. Tozer, The Knowledge of the Holy: The Attributes of God
brightfame52
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God Created some men for eternal glory and some men for eternal damnation
Scripture states Christ for all the whole world
1. For all (1 Tim. 2:6).
1 Timothy 2:6 (NASB95) — 6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.
2. For every man (Heb. 2:9).
Hebrews 2:9 (NASB95) — 9 But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.
3. For the world (John 3:16).
John 3:16 (NASB95) — 16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
4. For the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2).
1 John 2:2 (NASB95) — 2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
Believing in Christ is necessary for salvation
John 3:36 (NASB 95) — 36 He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
brightfame52
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Of believers. If one never becomes a believer in Him, He did not die for them.
brightfame52
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As a evidence of having salvation.
TibiasDad
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Still waiting for the scripture that states salvation precedes faith/belief.
Doug
brightfame52
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I've given you my scripture and you have not received it
synergy
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God did not create you to propagate your damning calvinist heresies. You're the one responsible for propagating your damning calvinist heresies.
As a means of obtaining salvation
Why is it Calvinists are constantly positing the very opposite of the gospel
John 3:36 (NASB95) — 36 “He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
John 3:18 The one who believes in him is not judged, but the one who does not believe has already been judged, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.
Mark 16:16 The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.
John 8:24 Thus I said to you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.”
1 John 5:10–13 (The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. The one who does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has testified concerning his Son.) And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. The one who has the Son has the life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.
Christ died for the whole world
1 John 2:2 (NASB95) — 2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
civic
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yep
Doug Brents
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You are still reading your preconception into the Word.
Gal 3:22 - "But the Scripture has confined everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe."
Over and over, Scripture says that salvation is the result of faith, and is given to those who believe/have faith. You are trying to make faith the result of salvation, but it is not; salvation is the result of faith. That is not to say that faith causes salvation (only Jesus' blood could do that), but faith is the condition upon which we receive the benefit of Jesus' blood.
It is difficult to see how one can hold God makes man alive so they may believe to gain life.
Darby
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All the god of John C. created was Institutes of the Christian Religion: This is Calvin's most important work and the most concise expression of his theology. It was first published in 1536 as a small, six-chapter book and was continuously revised and expanded throughout his life, with the final, four-book, eighty-chapter edition appearing in 1559.
He is the one that believes his cult followers go to eternal glory and anyone else goes to eternal damnation.
That sounds like most cults teach.
brightfame52
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But God Created some men for eternal glory and some men for eternal damnation Rom 9
brightfame52
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Oh no God alone is the means of obtaining salvation securing salvation causing salvation.
brightfame52
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Of them that are believing yes
brightfame52
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No I am not.
