No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

brightfame52 said:
Doesn't change anything, the drawing is the application of spiritual life. Also the all men Jesus draws are Justified because He died for them. So He draws all the Justified unto Him
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nope not all who are drawn come and many who come and follow Him fall away as lots of disciples did in John 6.

next fallacy
 
Speculator said:
The blood of Jesus saves you. We make the choice to believe in Him or reject Him.
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So true.

Jesus shed His blood to atone for the sins of humanity, fulfilling God's plan for salvation. Scriptures indicate that His death was necessary to fulfill prophecies about the Messiah.

Through His blood, Jesus restored the broken relationship between man and God.... for those of us who believe.
 
FreeInChrist said:
So true.

Jesus shed His blood to atone for the sins of humanity, fulfilling God's plan for salvation. Scriptures indicate that His death was necessary to fulfill prophecies about the Messiah.

Through His blood, Jesus restored the broken relationship between man and God.... for those of us who believe.
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Yes and those who refuse to believe the gospel remain in their sins condemned. Jesus taught us this in John 3:16-18
 
brightfame52 said:
Correct
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Ah... the same people to each other. Each doing this. God the Father = God the Son. Yeppers

Jesus draws people TO God, and those who will hear and respond and believe the revelation of God will be allowed to come to the Father. And those who believe the Father’s revelation about Jesus, will be allowed to come to Jesus. It is all about faith in the amount of revelation that one has been given. = Jesus is God.
~ Cheryl Schatz
 
brightfame52 said:
No man can come to Christ naturally because by nature as Paul writes concerning the gentiles in Eph 2 they are helpless and without hope in themselves pertaining to Salvation Eph 2:12

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

Man naturally, is without spiritual strength Rom 5:6

For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. We were by nature powerless to help ourselves, in a dead lost spiritual state ! 10
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That's why there's prevenient grace.
 
brightfame52 said:
@TibiasDad


God made the move and accomplished it by Christs death, His death reconciled the elect to God Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

We were reconciled is in the passive aorist past tense, its a done deal, now how was it done according to Rom 5:10
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You become part of the elect when to choose to follow Jesus, and receive Him when you accept His accept His invitation.

The concept of “receiving” brings us to another important word, “believe.” Believe is basically saying, “Amen” to a matter. “Amen” points to entering in and abiding in a covenant. It is a word that implies that a matter has been established throughout the ages.

Obviously, it is not just a matter of accepting something on an intellectual level as being true, it is also a matter of coming into total agreement in spirit and truth to experience the actual reality of it. If I accept something intellectually, I do not necessarily have to be in agreement with how a matter will be expressed. However, if you believe something to be true, there will be no debate as to how to express it in application and obedience.
 
brightfame52 said:
Yes legally, but the spirit saves in conjunction vitally Titus 3:5-6

5 ;Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
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And you come to Christ (accept Him) by you own freewill. And anyone can (is able to) do that.
 
brightfame52 said:
Rabbit trail. Read From 5:10 again
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The gratia universalis et resistibilis is the theme of the confession’s Arminian doctrine: “The grace of God, the influences of the Holy Spirit, and the invitations of the gospel are given to all men, and by these they receive power to repent and obey all the requirements of the gospel. Hence it appears a perfect inconsistency to suppose that God would provide salvation for a less number than he really loved.”

God loves everyone, Christ died for everyone, the Holy Spirit “reproves” everyone, the gospel “invites” everyone, and “by virtue of these all men have the ability to repent and believe.” Therefore, the treatise asks, “What other conclusion can be drawn than that the salvation of all is possible?”

The confession stressed that everyone’s salvation is merely possible, “for though in its provision it is free and absolute, yet in its application it is expressly conditional. Salvation then being freely provided and man being capable through grace of obtaining it if he perish, whom can he blame but himself? The charge must fall upon him with aggravated weight: ‘Thou hast destroyed thyself.’


Free Will Baptists General Conference:
“The attainment of entire sanctification in this life is both the privilege and duty of every Christian.” By the 1860s, the General Conference had revised the treatise to exclude the doctrine of entire sanctification.
 
brightfame52 said:
Rabbit trail
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The gratia universalis et resistibilis is the theme of the confession’s Arminian doctrine: “The grace of God, the influences of the Holy Spirit, and the invitations of the gospel are given to all men, and by these they receive power to repent and obey all the requirements of the gospel. Hence it appears a perfect inconsistency to suppose that God would provide salvation for a less number than he really loved.” God loves everyone, Christ died for everyone, the Holy Spirit “reproves” everyone, the gospel “invites” everyone, and “by virtue of these all men have the ability to repent and believe.”

Therefore, the treatise asks, “What other conclusion can be drawn than that the salvation of all is possible?” The confession stressed that everyone’s salvation is merely possible, “for though in its provision it is free and absolute, yet in its application it is expressly conditional. Salvation then being freely provided and man being capable through grace of obtaining it if he perish, whom can he blame but himself? The charge must fall upon him with aggravated weight: ‘Thou hast destroyed thyself.’ ”

The confession affirmed that divine salvific grace continues to be resistible even after conversion. Thus perseverance is not “certain.” Though believers are “kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation,” this power is “only used to keep the saints through their faith,” but Scripture teaches that “some have put away faith and a good conscience and concerning faith made shipwreck.” The movement’s primary systematic theologian John J. Butler explained these doctrines systematically in his book Natural and Revealed Theology. That book was revised later in the century by Ransom Dunn.40


Dissent from Calvinism in the Baptist Tradition
 

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