No Other Doctrine But...

[Grace ambassador]

"...Right Division

For or many years a family in a northern state lived on the banks of a river.
As time passed, more children were added until the total was ten, plus the
mother and the father. Each year as winter approached the father would
gather the children to his side and, in no uncertain terms, explain that no
one was to ever go out on the ice.

One Monday, three of the children decided to walk across the frozen ice as a
shortcut on their way to school. Some of the older children begged them not
to, and reminded them of their Dad’s stern warning. “Nothing is going to
happen to us. Just leave us alone. We’ll be just fine.” So off the three children
went.

Because the water was more shallow at first, the ice was quite thick. So, with
a false sense of security, the three children began to run. Suddenly, the ice
beneath their feet began to crack, and all three plunged into the icy water,
never to be seen again.

In a spiritual sense, many of God’s children are doing something very similar...
[In view Of Judgment, how many of us are on the thin ice of false doctrine?]

...When the Apostle Paul writes to Timothy at Ephesus, he says,

“I besought thee...that thou mightest charge some​

that they teach no other doctrine” (I Tim. 1:3)...​

"
(J Fredericksen)

FULL study:
No Other Doctrine But Right Division

 

[Handaan]

WILL WE LISTEN?

The warnings are posted today. THIN ICE AHEAD. Our eternal destiny is determined by whether we heed the signs or ignore them. Rescuers may want to save us, but it could be too late.
The final days for all of the inhabitants of planet earth have been recorded for almost two thousand years. In our time, those signs are becoming closer and bolder.

The decade of the nineties has seen tremendous changes in the world. The high-decibel threats of communism have become less threatening as governments have toppled and new leaders have emerged. Many oppressed people have experienced a freedom they had never known.
Time magazine had a cover story showing the heads of the world’s two most powerful countries smiling at each other over the words, “Building a New World.”

Although we may rejoice that old animosities are dissolving and experience new hope for peace in the world community, at the same time we suspect that we are being lulled into a false security.

Warnings have been posted about dangers ahead. We can either watch and listen or ignore them.
The signs of the time are on a fast track, pointing to the final days of Bible prophecy. It’s true that many people shrug their shoulders and say, “Is this like the guy who said the end of the world would come on September 16, 1988? Come on now! I’ve heard this stuff before.”

The apostle Peter said: “First, I want to remind you that in the last days there will come scoffers who will do every wrong they can think of, and laugh at the truth. This will be their line of argument: ‘So Jesus promised to come back, did he? Then where is he? He’ll never come! Why, as far back as anyone can remember everything has remained exactly as it was since the first day of creation’ ” (2 Peter 3:3–4, TLB).

There is a book in the Bible that scoffers should read. It contains warnings far more solemn than those directed at the young men on Convict Lake.
The Book of Revelation predicts the climax of the ages and the sequence of events leading up to the return of Jesus Christ. Furthermore, this book explains where every person will be for all eternity.


David Jeremiah and Carole C. Carlson, Escape the Coming Night

 

[Fool4Christ]

WILL WE LISTEN?

The warnings are posted today. THIN ICE AHEAD. Our eternal destiny is determined by whether we heed the signs or ignore them. Rescuers may want to save us, but it could be too late.
The final days for all of the inhabitants of planet earth have been recorded for almost two thousand years. In our time, those signs are becoming closer and bolder.

The decade of the nineties has seen tremendous changes in the world. The high-decibel threats of communism have become less threatening as governments have toppled and new leaders have emerged. Many oppressed people have experienced a freedom they had never known.
Time magazine had a cover story showing the heads of the world’s two most powerful countries smiling at each other over the words, “Building a New World.”

Although we may rejoice that old animosities are dissolving and experience new hope for peace in the world community, at the same time we suspect that we are being lulled into a false security.

Warnings have been posted about dangers ahead. We can either watch and listen or ignore them.
The signs of the time are on a fast track, pointing to the final days of Bible prophecy. It’s true that many people shrug their shoulders and say, “Is this like the guy who said the end of the world would come on September 16, 1988? Come on now! I’ve heard this stuff before.”

The apostle Peter said: “First, I want to remind you that in the last days there will come scoffers who will do every wrong they can think of, and laugh at the truth. This will be their line of argument: ‘So Jesus promised to come back, did he? Then where is he? He’ll never come! Why, as far back as anyone can remember everything has remained exactly as it was since the first day of creation’ ” (2 Peter 3:3–4, TLB).

There is a book in the Bible that scoffers should read. It contains warnings far more solemn than those directed at the young men on Convict Lake.
The Book of Revelation predicts the climax of the ages and the sequence of events leading up to the return of Jesus Christ. Furthermore, this book explains where every person will be for all eternity.


David Jeremiah and Carole C. Carlson, Escape the Coming Night

I've watched David Jeremiah on TV. He's an excellent teacher. I think he's known best for his teaching on end times.

 

[mailmandan]

I've watched David Jeremiah on TV. He's an excellent teacher. I think he's known best for his teaching on end times.

Speaking of end times, this is a very fascinating sermon by David Jeremiah on Socialism and the direction America is heading.

 

[Fool4Christ]

Speaking of end times, this is a very fascinating sermon by David Jeremiah on Socialism and the direction America is heading.

Fascinating indeed. Well you know what they say "socialism never works". Then there's the old standard comeback, "That's because no one has done socialism correctly yet".

When all is said and done socialism ruins any country that chooses to follow it. Look at Cuba.

But God's in control and we're citizens of heaven.

 

[Creed]

I've watched David Jeremiah on TV. He's an excellent teacher. I think he's known best for his teaching on end times.

I've seen them on TV also. My wife and I both like Him.

 

[Bronson]

I've seen them on TV also. My wife and I both like Him.

I like Dr David Jeremiah. I have a few of his books.

 

[dwight92070]

"...Right Division

For or many years a family in a northern state lived on the banks of a river.
As time passed, more children were added until the total was ten, plus the
mother and the father. Each year as winter approached the father would
gather the children to his side and, in no uncertain terms, explain that no
one was to ever go out on the ice.

One Monday, three of the children decided to walk across the frozen ice as a
shortcut on their way to school. Some of the older children begged them not
to, and reminded them of their Dad’s stern warning. “Nothing is going to
happen to us. Just leave us alone. We’ll be just fine.” So off the three children
went.

Because the water was more shallow at first, the ice was quite thick. So, with
a false sense of security, the three children began to run. Suddenly, the ice
beneath their feet began to crack, and all three plunged into the icy water,
never to be seen again.

In a spiritual sense, many of God’s children are doing something very similar...
[In view Of Judgment, how many of us are on the thin ice of false doctrine?]

...When the Apostle Paul writes to Timothy at Ephesus, he says,

“I besought thee...that thou mightest charge some​

that they teach no other doctrine” (I Tim. 1:3)...​

"
(J Fredericksen)

FULL study:
No Other Doctrine But Right Division

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No other doctrine but right division? That's code for dispensationalism. It's amazing how you and many of those who agree with you, try to conceal the very doctrine that you supposedly adhere to. For some reason, you can't just come right out and say "dispensationalism". You must be ashamed of it. So you are saying there should be no other doctrine but dispensationalism? If that's true, then the gospel of Christ is false. But the gospel of Christ is true, so dispensationalism is false.

Paul preached "the gospel of the grace of God" (Acts 20:24), which he ALSO CALLED "preaching the kingdom" in the next verse (25). These two are the SAME gospel: The grace of God = The kingdom of God.

There is only eternal security for the believer.
There is no eternal security for the former believer.

The gifts of the Holy Spirit, according to 1 Corinthians 13:8 WILL BE done away. It does NOT say they HAVE BEEN done away.
You're free to believe the false teaching of dispensationalism, which only began in 1830 by John Nelson Darby, but you're NOT free to say that you dsp (dispensationalists) are the ONLY ones who "rightly divide the word of truth."

The word "dispensation" never meant a time period, until Darby, or some other dsp redefined it. The word is Biblical. The meaning attached to that word by dsp is NOT Biblical.

The one on "thin ice" is the dsp, since much of it is totally unBiblical.

David Jeremiah's belief system is dsp, which is false.

 

[Grace ambassador]

You're free to believe the false teaching of dispensationalism, which only began in 1830 by John Nelson Darby, but you're NOT free to say that you dsp (dispensationalists) are the ONLY ones who "rightly divide the word of truth."

The word "dispensation" never meant a time period, until Darby, or some other dsp redefined it. The word is Biblical. The meaning attached to that word by dsp is NOT Biblical.

The one on "thin ice" is the dsp, since much of it is totally unBiblical.

David Jeremiah's belief system is dsp, which is false.

I believe this is a B.A.M. 'rule'?:

"Discuss "The Scriptures" and drop the accusations/criticisms "of people""???

@Administrator's rule?

The above notwithstanding, of course I have liberty and freedom to believe In
Biblical Dispensationalism, as God Plainly Declares [ More than once! ]...:

Eph_1:10 That in The Dispensation Of the fulness of times He might gather together in
one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in Him:​

... And I live in The Current One!...:

Eph_3:2 If ye have heard of The Dispensation Of The Grace of God
which is given me to you-ward:​

1Co_9:17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will,
A Dispensation of The Gospel is committed unto me.​

​

Col_1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to The Dispensation of God
Which is given to me for you, to Fulfil The Word Of God;​

..."Given to Paul, For" me! ♫ ↑

Amen.

 

[dwight92070]

I believe this is a B.A.M. 'rule'?:

"Discuss "The Scriptures" and drop the accusations/criticisms "of people""???

@Administrator's rule?

The above notwithstanding, of course I have liberty and freedom to believe In
Biblical Dispensationalism, as God Plainly Declares [ More than once! ]...:

Eph_1:10 That in The Dispensation Of the fulness of times He might gather together in
one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in Him:​

... And I live in The Current One!...:

Eph_3:2 If ye have heard of The Dispensation Of The Grace of God
which is given me to you-ward:​

1Co_9:17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will,
A Dispensation of The Gospel is committed unto me.​

​

Col_1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to The Dispensation of God
Which is given to me for you, to Fulfil The Word Of God;​

..."Given to Paul, For" me! ♫ ↑

Amen.

The word "dispensation" in the dictionary is "the act of dispensing; something dispensed or distributed". It NEVER meant a time period until the widespread permeation and acceptance of the dispensational doctrine took place, probably after C.I. Scofield published his "Bible" in 1909, which is saturated with Darby's teaching.
The Strong's definition of the Greek word "oikonomia" (#3622 in the Greek dictionary) is: "stewardship" or "administration". It is from the word just before it (#3621) "oikonomeo" which means "to be a steward" or "to manage".

So Ephesians 1:10 could be more properly understood using the actual defined meaning of the original Greek word:
"with a view to an administration of the fullness of times" or in context "a management of the fullness of times".

Ephesians 3:2 "if indeed you have heard of the stewardship of God's grace which was given to me for you."
Paul was NOT saying that he was given a period of time. No, he was given a stewardship, an administration of God's grace.

1 Corinthians 9:17 "I have a stewardship entrusted to me."
Paul was not given a specific period of time, rather he was given stewardship of preaching the gospel.

Colossians 1:25 "Of this church I was made a minister according to the stewardship from God bestowed on me for your benefit, so that I might fully carry out the preaching of the word of God,"
Again, Paul was not given a period of time, lasting hundreds of years. He was given a stewardship from God to preach the word of God.

So why did the King James Bible use the word "dispensation" in those four verses? Possibly because people knew what that word meant back then: "something dispensed or distributed" because Paul was given the responsibility to "dispense or distribute" the gospel.

One thing we know for sure: It never meant a time period.

It is a fact that you did not mention the word "dispensationalim" in your first post. Why would that be, since it appears obvious (confirmed by your response) that that is what you were referring to all the time? Why wouldn't you say that upfront and make it crystal clear?

Also you say that those of us who are not dsp (dispensationalists), (which means that we believe false doctrine, according to you) are on "thin ice", that we could "plunge into the icy depths and never be heard from again."

Are you serious? You actually believe that non - dsp people will be lost forever? Since when did dispensationalism become an essential doctrine, in order to be saved? If that is true, then the gospel of Jesus which is preached in the New Testament is heresy. The New Testament does not preach heresy, nor does it preach dsp.

I don't believe you will be lost, but I do believe that you have fallen into the trap of the deceptive dsp doctrine. But if you truly believe, and if dsp teaches that all who do not accept that doctrine are lost, then it has become a heresy.

 

[Administrator]

Okay gentleman let's take a deep breath and move on. I think you've both made your point and it's time to agree to disagree. As you're both entitled to your opinion. So it would be greatly appreciated if we could leave it on that note.

 

[koberstein]

Fascinating indeed. Well you know what they say "socialism never works". Then there's the old standard comeback, "That's because no one has done socialism correctly yet".

When all is said and done socialism ruins any country that chooses to follow it. Look at Cuba.

But God's in control and we're citizens of heaven.

Socialism never works, because someday they will run out of other people's money.

 

[Complete]

"...Right Division

For or many years a family in a northern state lived on the banks of a river.
As time passed, more children were added until the total was ten, plus the
mother and the father. Each year as winter approached the father would
gather the children to his side and, in no uncertain terms, explain that no
one was to ever go out on the ice.

One Monday, three of the children decided to walk across the frozen ice as a
shortcut on their way to school. Some of the older children begged them not
to, and reminded them of their Dad’s stern warning. “Nothing is going to
happen to us. Just leave us alone. We’ll be just fine.” So off the three children
went.

Because the water was more shallow at first, the ice was quite thick. So, with
a false sense of security, the three children began to run. Suddenly, the ice
beneath their feet began to crack, and all three plunged into the icy water,
never to be seen again.

In a spiritual sense, many of God’s children are doing something very similar...
[In view Of Judgment, how many of us are on the thin ice of false doctrine?]

...When the Apostle Paul writes to Timothy at Ephesus, he says,

“I besought thee...that thou mightest charge some​

that they teach no other doctrine” (I Tim. 1:3)...​

'Study to shew thyself approved unto God,
a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
rightly dividing the word of truth.'
(2Tim. 2:15)

Hello @Grace ambassador,

The principle of right division is written on the page of Scripture for all to find and appropriate for their learning. It is written to Timothy to elevate him above the vain disputations of those around him, by directing him to his first priority, which was, and still is for every believer, to show himself one approved unto God, by rightly dividing the word of truth.

Around Timothy were those who strove about words to no profit, but to the subverting of those who heard: called profane and vain babblings by Paul; and some concerning the truth were in error, their words eating, like a cancer, destroying the faith of some. That is what the principle of right division is intended to prevent.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Complete]

'These were more noble than those in Thessalonica,
in that they received the word with all readiness of mind,
and searched the scriptures daily,
whether those things were so.'
(Act 17:11)

Hello again, @Grace ambassador,

In regard to doctrinal error: so many fail to do what the Berean's were commended for in Acts 17 (above) they take what is preached in the pulpit, heard on a video clip, or read in a book and fail to search the Scriptures to determine that what is being said is indeed so.

When I was a teenager listening to the programme on the wireless, 'The Top of The Pops', and gigging around on the hearth rug in time to the music playing: I found myself listening to a piece of music which, though I found certain of it's lyrics objectionable, refused to leave my mind, and I found myself, annoyingly, reiterating it's words over and over at all times of the day and night. It's title was, 'It ain't necessarily so', from the musical 'Porgy and Bess'. Yet though it irritated me, I none the less found as the years passed that it's words contained a truth that I had to learn and apply. For they caused me to question, and to enquire, search, and see for myself whether what I heard or read was indeed so.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Complete]

'Trust in the LORD with all thine heart;
and lean not unto thine own understanding.
In all thy ways acknowledge Him,
and He shall direct (i,e., rightly divide) thy paths.
(Pro 3:5-6)

 

[Behold]

No other doctrine but right division? That's code for dispensationalism.

Its not the "code" for dispensationalism. @dwight92070

Its just "comparing scripture with scripture" so that you get the revelation.

So, "right division" is related to = "study to show yourself approved"

= that is related to "rightly dividing the word"

= that is related to "the word of God is spiritually discerned".

= that is related to "he that is spiritual judges all things'.

See what i just did for you @dwight92070 /????

I just "rightly divided" some verses for you and the Readers.

And what does a Heretic do with the bible, instead?

They wrongly divide the word of God and most of the time its because there were taught to do it, by the same type who was taught to wrongly divide the word.

Heretics Produce Heretics..

(CALVIN produces Calvinists) for example..

= or as Paul says ......"WHO < has bewitched you, that you should not obey the TRUTH"

A.) A Heretic who was taught by one, and who was taught by one, ... from a commentary or from a CULT that produces both "churches" and "commentaries".

You can "GOOGLE" and find thousands of heretics with impressive websites, and a "DR" in front of their name.