My Kenosis full understanding

Friends, allow me to share what I believe is a coherent way to read Scripture —yet I do not present this as dogma. I hold to the principle of “not going beyond what is written” (1 Cor 4:6). What follows is simply my understanding, the interpretation that seems to me most faithful to the biblical pattern. I respect the venerable Nicene tradition, but I cannot impose a word like homoousios which the apostles themselves never used. What I see, rather, is that the key thread running from Genesis to Revelation is the mystery of kenosis —self-emptying love.

🌍 THE INTEGRAL MODEL OF EVIL AND THE HOPE OF REDEMPTION

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Introduction

Evil cannot be understood without its opposite: kenosis.
God is love, but more than that: He is love that empties itself.

In creation, He withdrew to let exist what was not Himself.

In Christ, He became nothing to give us everything.

And we, imitators of Christ, are called to the same:
👉 to be light that separates darkness, just as in the beginning.

> 📌 Kenosis is not present in every narrative, but it is found in the teaching texts that reveal God’s plan. These illuminate all of Scripture and show the universal pattern of self-emptying that gives life.

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1. Creation: the first kenotic act ✨

God, infinite fullness, withdrew to make space for the cosmos.
That withdrawal was giving, donation.

When He said “Let there be light,” He set the eternal pattern:
👉 separating light from darkness.

This is also our calling: to discern, to illuminate, to fertilize what is true.

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2. The wound in heaven 👁️‍🗨️

Evil did not begin on earth.
It was born in the heart of Lucifer, a beautiful and strong creature.

Its origin was not weakness, but jealousy against kenosis.
He refused to imitate God in His self-giving,
choosing instead to seize His place of authority.

From “I will serve” he turned to “I will not serve.”
👉 That was the first act of violence.

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3. Impossible vengeance 🔥

Satan cannot harm God.
So he seeks revenge against what God loves most: His image in man.

He tempted humanity to repeat his rebellion:
“You will be like gods” → the echo of his own desire.

Thus what began in heaven through jealousy repeats on earth as violence.

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4. Eden: the transmission of the wound 🌱

The forbidden fruit was not a mere object:
it was the invitation to self-deification,
to usurp the authority of God.

Eve internalized the lie; Adam did not trust God:
👉 distrust of God, rupture with one’s neighbor, hostility toward creation.

What was kenosis became ego.

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5. The triple concupiscence 💻

The angelic poison became human inheritance (1 Jn 2:16):

👀 Lust of the eyes → greed, appropriation, exploitation.
💪 Lust of the flesh → pleasure turned into an absolute end.
👑 Pride of life → the inflated self demanding worship.

👉 This is how evil still operates in every heart.

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6. The micro-Eden of every day 🚶‍♂️

Every decision repeats the same formula (James 1:14–15):
Attraction → Consent → Action → Consequence.

Passions are good or neutral energy,
but the ego perverts them:

Anger → cruelty.
Desire → lust.
Fear → cowardice.

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7. Vices: perverted habits ⚠️

👉 Vice is a passion disordered and fixed by the ego.
Matter is good, but twisted by repetition.

Pride is the root vice:
the habit of inflating the self until it suffocates others.

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7 bis. Summary map 🗺️

The drama of evil can be summarized like this:

Divine kenosis → creation and donation.

Angelic jealousy → “I will not serve.”

Inner violence → the first rupture.

Vengeance against man → temptation in Eden.

Triple concupiscence → eyes, flesh, pride.

Vices and structures → collective chains.

Cosmic futility → universal groaning.

Kenosis of Christ → cross and resurrection.

Final consummation → all handed over to the Father.

👉 In one line: Jealousy → Violence → Transmitted wound → Kenosis as the only cure.

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8. Escalation: from act to structure 🏛️

Evil escalates in a chain:
sin → habit → vice → ideology → structure.

This is how the “deep things of Satan” arise (Rev 2:24).

Ancient: idolatries of Baal and Moloch.
Modern: Marxism, reductive scientism, absolute individualism, the cult of progress without ethics.

👉 Always the same mechanism: a partial truth absolutized becomes a totalitarian lie.

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9. The pain of the world: cosmic futility 🌌

Romans 8:20: creation was subjected to mataiótēs (futility).
Not all suffering is direct guilt:

· Accidents.
· Sickness, old age, death.
· Natural disasters.
· Sincere ignorance.

It is the echo of a wounded cosmos,
groaning for redemption.

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10. Giants, floods, and historical siftings 🌊

Gen 6:4: “in those days, and also afterward.”
Hybrid corruption returned in cycles.

Bible, myths, and geology converge:
cataclysms, preserved remnants, a just lineage.

👉 Humanity was sifted multiple times, until Christ arrived.

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11. The covenant of the bow 🌈

The rainbow is both limit and promise.
God will not allow total destruction.

It is mercy, but also warning:
👉 the next purification will be by fire (2 Pet 3:7).

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12. Christ: kenosis in history ✝️

If creation was the kenosis of the Father,
the incarnation was the kenosis of the Son.

From Bethlehem to Golgotha: pure self-giving.
The Cross was extreme emptying: dying to give life.

👉 The resurrection declared that kenosis conquers ego.

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13. Light: human vocation 💡

To imitate Christ is to live kenosis:

emptying the ego,

loving through service,

being light that separates darkness.

This is our destiny: to prolong creation and the cross in daily life.

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14. Providence and felix culpa 🌿

Evil is permitted for a greater good.

The cross concentrated all evil and defeated it (Col 2:15).
The resurrection showed that absurdity is not the end.

👉 Even guilt becomes a path toward higher redemption.

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14 bis. Kenotic theodicy 🤲

The mystery of evil is inseparable from the mystery of freedom.

God could have created a world without the possibility of rebellion, but then there would be no authentic love.
Love exists only where there is freedom, and freedom implies risk.

👉 God is not the author of evil: He is the author of freedom that makes love possible.

Why does He not immediately stop all evil?
Because divine kenosis respects creaturely freedom to the extreme.

Instead of annulling freedom, God chooses to redeem evil from within:

He allows evil to express itself, but limits it (“thus far you shall come”).

He turns it into an occasion for greater good (felix culpa).

He conquers it not by imposition, but by an overabundance of love (Cross and Resurrection).

👉 “We know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love Him” (Rom 8:28).

Even evil, when conquered by the cross, is transformed into something greater and more beautiful within the divine plan.

📌 In simple terms:

Evil exists because there is freedom.

Freedom exists because there is love.

And love reaches its fullness in kenosis: giving oneself even in the face of evil.

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15. Emotional evolution: the practical path 🧩

The battle is also interior.
Imaginary Experiments (EI-8) train the will:

1. Rehearse difficult scenarios.

2. Record the chosen response.

3. Reproduce it in real life.

👉 This cuts the chain of evil at its beginning.

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16. Marxism and cultural struggles ⚔️

Marxism absolutizes a partial truth (justice)
and turns it into oppression and class hatred.

This is the mark of evil: fragments of truth forged into chains.
👉 The ultimate criterion is always the fruits.

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16 bis. Modern rebellions: AI and transhumanism 🤖

Today Eden’s echo is heard in new promises:
“You will be like gods” → now through technology.

Posthumanism.

Transhumanism.

AI without ethics.

The temptation is the same:
👉 self-deification without kenosis, power without service.

The danger is not science, but the ego that uses it as an idol.
Christ showed that true fullness is not found in “surpassing ourselves,”
but in giving ourselves.

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17. Science, fossils, and faith 🦖

Faith does not fear science.

Dinosaurs and fossils show kenotic extinctions:
a dying that opened the way for richer forms of life.

Birds that amaze us in variety,
with bright colors and dazzling songs.

👉 Creation remains good, though subjected to futility.

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18. Development and pragmatism 🏭

Redemption is not escape,
it is real transformation.

Principle: virtue + realism + measurable fruit.
A kenotic economy: producing without plunder, serving without idolatry.

👉 Fruits: dignified employment, upward education, concrete justice.

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19. Eschatology and consummation 🔥

“The last enemy to be destroyed is death” (1 Cor 15:26).
In the end, Christ will hand the Kingdom over to the Father (1 Cor 15:28).

👉 “Kenosis is not only what God did; it is what God is.
The Father gives, the Son surrenders, and the Spirit pours this gift into us.
Therefore, the universe is not sustained by brute force, but by a love that ceaselessly empties itself.”

And this will be the final kenosis:
the Son subjecting Himself to the Father,
so that God may be all in all.

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Conclusion

Creation was the kenosis of the Father.
The cross was the kenosis of the Son.
The consummation will be the final kenosis: all handed over to the Father.

👉 Evil imitates the rebellion of Satan.
👉 Kenosis imitates the Creator.

And only kenosis has the last word: life.

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Final lapidary phrases 🪨

“God emptied Himself in creation.
Christ emptied Himself on the cross.
In the end, Christ will hand His Kingdom to the Father,
so that God may be all in all.
That is the triumph of kenosis over ego,
of light over darkness,
of life over evil.”

“Against the Non serviam that originates and propagates evil,
stands the Fiat of creation and the He gave up His spirit of the cross,
revealing that the final verb of history,
written by the definitive Amen of the resurrection,
is All is gift.”

“The universe is written in kenotic language.
Creation speaks it, the cross shouts it,
and the consummation will sing it for all eternity.
Our only task is to learn to read it
and, in reading, learn to love it.”

✨ Christ and His followers are and will be free.
And all creation will sing again in praise,
as final and sacred vindication of the Father.

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Counterpoint: non-Christian perspectives 🎭

Camus: evil as absurdity without redemption.

Nietzsche: a cultural invention to dominate.

Freud: death drive within the psyche.

Arendt: the banality of evil through blind obedience.

Stoics: vices as errors of judgment, correctable by reason.

👉 All these perspectives see fragments,
but none offers a definitive way out.

Christianity reveals:
Evil is rebellion against kenosis.
The only cure is the self-emptying that conquers ego.
 
The purpose of the Kenosis:

1. To perfectly keep the Law of God as man on behalf of mankind.
2. To present Christ's death as the full vicarious punishment for mankind's conglomerate sin.
3. To destroy the inherit power of the sin nature by union on the Cross.
4. To transmit Christ's resurrection life and atonement through his eternal priesthood.
5. To set us a good example and an inspiration of God's sacrificial love and humility.
 
I truly appreciate your emphasis, because by linking the ego you touch on a decisive point. The Cross and the kenosis of Christ reveal that the disordered ego is in fact our great inner enemy, the root of most of our sins.


I would add one clarification: in Christ there was no disordered ego. His human “self” was always perfectly oriented toward the Father. That is why His kenosis was not the taming of a sick ego, but the willing emptying of legitimate rights in order to give Himself fully in obedience and love.


For us, however, the lesson is different: since we are called to imitate Christ, we must uproot the disordered ego that does govern us. An inflated self inevitably leads to sin—pride, vanity, uncontrolled desire, resentment.


This is why I have personally worked out a practical method for confronting and uprooting the disordered ego, because without that inner battle there is no real imitation of Christ.
I truly appreciate your emphasis, because by linking the ego you touch on a decisive point. The Cross and the kenosis of Christ reveal that the disordered ego is in fact our great inner enemy, the root of most of our sins.


I would add one clarification: in Christ there was no disordered ego. His human “self” was always perfectly oriented toward the Father. That is why His kenosis was not the taming of a sick ego, but the willing emptying of legitimate rights in order to give Himself fully in obedience and love.


For us, however, the lesson is different: since we are called to imitate Christ, we must uproot the disordered ego that does govern us. An inflated self inevitably leads to sin—pride, vanity, uncontrolled desire, resentment.


This is why I have personally worked out a practical method for confronting and uprooting the disordered ego, because without that inner battle there is no real imitation of Christ. To follow Him is not only to believe in His sacrifice but to reproduce His kenosis within ourselves: to die to the deformed self so that we may live as true children—free, obedient, and loving.
To follow Him is not only to believe in His sacrifice but to reproduce His kenosis within ourselves: to die to the deformed self so that we may live as true children—free, obedient, and loving.
I truly appreciate your emphasis, because by linking the ego you touch on a decisive point. The Cross and the kenosis of Christ reveal that the disordered ego is in fact our great inner enemy, the root of most of our sins.


I would add one clarification: in Christ there was no disordered ego. His human “self” was always perfectly oriented toward the Father. That is why His kenosis was not the taming of a sick ego, but the willing emptying of legitimate rights in order to give Himself fully in obedience and love.


For us, however, the lesson is different: since we are called to imitate Christ, we must uproot the disordered ego that does govern us. An inflated self inevitably leads to sin—pride, vanity, uncontrolled desire, resentment.


This is why I have personally worked out a practical method for confronting and uprooting the disordered ego, because without that inner battle there is no real imitation of Christ. To follow Him is not only to believe in His sacrifice but to reproduce His kenosis within ourselves: to die to the deformed self so that we may live as true children—free, obedient, and loving.
 
Milo what denomination and theology do you consider yourself a part of.
 
Milo what denomination and theology do you consider yourself a part of.
I follow Jesus christ and the Bible. I do not follow any denomination, for almost 25 years. I born as Catholic, and I convert and was an Elder of Jehovahs Witness. But I admire:

1. Perhaps the closest disciple of Christ in the inner way.​



  • For him, the soul only reaches God through the “dark night”, stripped of every comfort, even spiritual ones.
  • He is the radical disciple of Christ, because he does not remain in dogma but lives the truth of “becoming nothing to possess everything.”
    👉 Key line: “To come to taste all, desire the taste of nothing.”



2. The German Dominican who spoke of “detachment” (Abgeschiedenheit).​



  • He taught that the soul must empty itself of images and desires so that God may be born within.
  • His vision coincides with John’s: emptiness becomes the dwelling place of the Word.
    👉 Famous saying: “You must give up your self. Truly, if you keep your self, you keep God as an object. If you give it up, God becomes your being.”



3. The Danish thinker who carried Christianity into existentialism.​



  • He calls for the “leap of faith”: a leap into the absurd, because reason is never enough.
  • He is the modern echo of John and Eckhart: one must leap beyond the self and trust God Himself, even when the mind breaks.
    👉 In his words: “Faith is precisely the contradiction between the infinite passion of inwardness and objective uncertainty.” (Concluding Unscientific Postscript).



4. John of the Cross: to live kenosis, to become nothing.​

  • Eckhart: radical detachment, that God may be born in the soul.
  • Kierkegaard: existential leap of faith, beyond all certainty.

Together they form a single school of discipleship under Christ:
not inventing dogmas, but walking the path of self-emptying and the cross.
 
I follow Jesus christ and the Bible. I do not follow any denomination, for almost 25 years. I born as Catholic, and I convert and was an Elder of Jehovahs Witness.

I see. Have you turned from the beliefs of the RCC and JW I hope?

Do you:

1. Believe that all humans are sinners because of the sin of Adam and Eve in Eden?

2. Believe that Jesus is God become man sent to be the final and only punishment of all our sins on the Cross?

3. Believe that Jesus resurrected from the dead and intercedes as High Priest for all believers?

4. Believe the Father, Spirit and Son, are all equally One God yet individual Persons?

5. Believe Scripture is the inspired and ultimate authority of Christian faith?

6. Believe that hell and heaven are the only two eternal states of the afterlife?

7. Believe that we cannot earn or merit salvation in any way, yet must maintain our faith and conscience?
 
Milo what denomination and theology do you consider yourself a part of.
It is helpful he listed the context for his reading of the Bible. His debate in the Thomas... My Lord and my God thread suggests a continuation of the JW concept of Jesus. His effort to restrict the language for describing God matches with Runningman and Peterlag in their effort to control the language.

Anyhow Milo, it is interesting to have someone from Peru here.
 
I follow Jesus christ and the Bible.

I'm very glad of this, and please make sure you also have a Biblical Gospel here:

 
I see. Have you turned from the beliefs of the RCC and JW I hope?

Do you:

1. Believe that all humans are sinners because of the sin of Adam and Eve in Eden?

2. Believe that Jesus is God become man sent to be the final and only punishment of all our sins on the Cross?

3. Believe that Jesus resurrected from the dead and intercedes as High Priest for all believers?

4. Believe the Father, Spirit and Son, are all equally One God yet individual Persons?

5. Believe Scripture is the inspired and ultimate authority of Christian faith?

6. Believe that hell and heaven are the only two eternal states of the afterlife?

7. Believe that we cannot earn or merit salvation in any way, yet must maintain our faith and conscience?
 

🕊️ My Confession of Faith (with Scripture)​


  1. Are all humans sinners because of Adam and Eve?
    ➡️ Yes. Humanity fell in Adam, but Jesus Christ was never a sinner.
    📖 “Through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin” (Romans 5:12).
  2. Was the Cross the final punishment of all sins?
    ➡️ No. The Cross opened the door of repentance, not a mechanical cancellation.
    📖 “Unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.” (Luke 13:3).
  3. Did Jesus resurrect and intercede as High Priest?
    ➡️ Yes. He lives and intercedes for us.
    📖 “He always lives to make intercession for them.” (Hebrews 7:25).
  4. Are Father, Son, and Spirit equally One God in three Persons?
    ➡️ No. The Father is God, the Son is His Word; the Spirit is His breath/power, not a separate person.
    📖 “There is one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things.” (1 Corinthians 8:6).
  5. Is Scripture the ultimate authority?
    ➡️ Yes. The Word inspired by God is the highest standard.
    📖 “All Scripture is God-breathed and useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.” (2 Timothy 3:16).
  6. Are heaven and hell the two eternal destinies?
    ➡️ Yes. Only two eternal outcomes.
    📖 “Many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, some to shame and everlasting contempt.” (Daniel 12:2).
  7. Is salvation only by grace, without works?
    ➡️ Grace saves us, but must lead to metanoia (transformation).
    📖 “Be transformed by the renewing of your mind.” (Romans 12:2).
 
🕊️ My Confession of Faith (with Scripture).

Very thorough answer! You seem genuine and I am praying for you. Only 2 strange answers out of 7.

1. You deny the divinity of the Word who was God (John 1).

2. You deny the personhood of the Holy Spirit who given personal attributes when sent by the Son from the Father (John 14).

3. But most concerning of all, is you seem to deny that by one offering Christ perfected forever those being sanctified (Hebrews 10).

Of these three errors, the Atonement is most serious and concerning as it is the very heart of our salvation.

Please consider looking over my PSA posts.

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A brief defense of PSA

Justice demands PSA

What does die "for" sins mean?

Answering objections to PSA

A full defense of PSA
 
I'm very glad of this, and please make sure you also have a Biblical Gospel here:

I resume the principal topics of the Bible this way:

✨ Five Pillars of the Biblical Journey: From Repentance to Glory​


1.​


  • Definition: A radical turning of mind and heart, leading to a new life. Not mere regret (metamelomai), but true conversion.
  • Biblical ground:
    • Luke 24:46–47 – “Repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached.”
    • Acts 2:38 – “Repent and be baptized… for the forgiveness of your sins.”
    • Acts 26:20 – “Repent and turn to God, performing deeds in keeping with repentance.”
    • In the OT, teshuvá = return. Hosea 14:2: “Return (shuv) to the Lord your God.”
  • Key insight: The Bible begins with return. Creation’s wound is healed when the creature turns back to the Source.



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  • Definition: Self-emptying; stripping the ego, desire, and self-will, to make space for God.
  • Biblical ground: Philippians 2:7–8 – “He emptied himself (ekenōsen), taking the form of a servant.”
  • Depth: Kenosis is not weakness, but power inverted: the Almighty descends. True discipleship mirrors Christ, laying down ego so that love may shine.
  • OT resonance: Isaiah’s Servant Songs, especially Isaiah 53.



3.​


  • Definition: Participation in the divine life; being conformed to Christ. Early Fathers called it theopoiesis (“becoming godlike”), echoing 2 Peter 1:4.
  • Biblical ground:
    • 2 Cor 3:18 – “We… are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory.”
    • Romans 8:29 – “Conformed to the image of His Son.”
    • 1 John 3:2 – “We shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.”
  • Key insight: Salvation is not only forgiveness, but transformation. Humanity is clay transfigured by fire into light-bearing sons.



4.​


  • Definition: Cooperation of divine grace and human response. God is first mover, but man is not passive.
  • Biblical ground:
    • 1 Cor 3:9 – “We are God’s fellow workers.”
    • 2 Cor 6:1 – “Working together with Him.”
    • Hebrews 6:10 – God remembers the work done “in His name.”
  • Depth: Grace alone saves, but grace that is not received, embraced, and lived remains sterile. The vineyard grows only when heaven’s rain meets the labor of human hands.



5.​


  • Definition: The final act: worship, glory, praise. Doxology is the breath of redeemed creation.
  • Biblical ground:
    • Isaiah 6:3 – “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of Hosts.”
    • Romans 11:36 – “From Him, through Him, and to Him are all things. To Him be glory forever.”
    • 1 Tim 1:17 – “To the King eternal… be honor and glory forever.”
    • Revelation 4–5 – unending hymn of heaven.
  • Key insight: Doxology is not appendix, but goal: all metanoia, kenosis, theosis, and synergia converge in the eternal praise of God.



🌿 Conclusion: The Biblical Arc​


  • Metanoia / Teshuvá → Return.
  • Kenosis / Riqút → Emptying.
  • Theosis / Hitdamut → Transformation.
  • Synergia / Shutafut → Cooperation.
  • Doxology / Hallel → Glory.

These five steps trace the entire drama of Scripture: from the fall, through repentance, to self-emptying, to participation in divine life, until the final chorus of glory.


And note: the Bible itself already uses words with philosophical resonance (Logos, John 1:1; kenosis, Phil 2:7; synergos, 1 Cor 3:9). The Spirit is free to take human language—even Hellenistic or Hebraic categories—and fill them with eternal meaning.


📖 As Paul wrote: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.” (1 Cor 1:19).
Not philosophy mastering Scripture, but Scripture transforming language into the fire of revelation.
 

2.​


  • Definition: Self-emptying; stripping the ego, desire, and self-will, to make space for God.
  • Biblical ground: Philippians 2:7–8 – “He emptied himself (ekenōsen), taking the form of a servant.”
  • Depth: Kenosis is not weakness, but power inverted: the Almighty descends. True discipleship mirrors Christ, laying down ego so that love may shine.
  • OT resonance: Isaiah’s Servant Songs, especially Isaiah 53.

Be very careful with this one. Doctrines like this can lead to a legalistic self-righteous attempt to merit heaven in one's own goodness, instead of a helpless and complete reliance upon the grace of God merited through the sufferings of Christ on our behalf.

Beware of this pitfall!

 
Be very careful with this one. Doctrines like this can lead to a legalistic self-righteous attempt to merit heaven in one's own goodness, instead of a helpless and complete reliance upon the grace of God merited through the sufferings of Christ on our behalf.

Beware of this pitfall!

Thank you for that very important caution. You are absolutely right: we must always be careful, because even the highest angel fell. If Lucifer, the “angel of light” (2 Corinthians 11:14; Isaiah 14:12) could fall through pride, then none of us should ever imagine that our salvation is something automatic, guaranteed by our own standing.


Salvation is by grace alone (Ephesians 2:8–9). It is a gift, not a merit. Yet this gift must be received and held in humility, not taken for granted. That is why Paul himself said:


  • “Work out your salvation with fear and trembling” (Philippians 2:12).
  • “Let anyone who thinks that he stands take heed lest he fall.” (1 Corinthians 10:12).

The biblical tension is clear: we have assurance in Christ, but not presumption in ourselves. We are saved, but we must also remain vigilant. Grace does not cancel responsibility — grace empowers perseverance.


Even Paul, after preaching to many, feared becoming disqualified himself (1 Corinthians 9:27). That is not unbelief, but humility: a recognition that salvation is a race to be run (Hebrews 12:1–2), not a medal already hung on our necks.


So yes — kenosis, self-emptying, is crucial, but not as a way to “earn” heaven. It is simply making space for the grace of Christ, who alone saves. And that grace keeps us sober: “He who endures to the end will be saved.” (Matthew 24:13).




✨ In short:
We are nothing but clay, undeserving of God. Salvation is only by grace through the cross of Christ. Yet even clay can boast, if not humbled. That is why vigilance is love’s companion. If angels could fall, how much more should we remain on guard, leaning always on grace, never on self.
 
Friends, allow me to share what I believe is a coherent way to read Scripture —yet I do not present this as dogma. I hold to the principle of “not going beyond what is written” (1 Cor 4:6). What follows is simply my understanding, the interpretation that seems to me most faithful to the biblical pattern. I respect the venerable Nicene tradition, but I cannot impose a word like homoousios which the apostles themselves never used. What I see, rather, is that the key thread running from Genesis to Revelation is the mystery of kenosis —self-emptying love.
Excellent thread. Thanks for taking he time and sharing it with us. It gave me a lot to think about.
 
Excellent thread. Thanks for taking he time and sharing it with us. It gave me a lot to think about.
Thanks, my friend. I remember you in Daniel 12:4. And let me share a little secret as a gift: if you do not fully understand a passage of Scripture, ask any AI to read it to you and explain it — but only if it uses kenosis as the lens. Then reflect on why AI is able to do that.
 
Thanks, my friend. I remember you in Daniel 12:4. And let me share a little secret as a gift: if you do not fully understand a passage of Scripture, ask any AI to read it to you and explain it — but only if it uses kenosis as the lens. Then reflect on why AI is able to do that.
AI can come in very handy. And welcome to BAM Milo.
 
Yes welcome Milo, very good OP keep it up.

My take is because of His pro-incarnate Sonship, the Lord Jesus differed from Adam and the angels, who are also called in scripture sons of God. They are so designated because of the manner of their creation and the status given them. But our Lord carried His name, Son, into His incarnate state.

In Deity, He was the Son; in flesh, He was the Son of God. The angel’s words guard His Holy Person against any evil thought that His eternal Sonship was in any degree weakened or dishonored when He became flesh. When He appeared in manhood, not in maturity as Adam did in Eden, but as the Babe in Bethlehem, He should by divine decree be called the Son of God, and the Son of the Highest.
 
Thanks, my friend. I remember you in Daniel 12:4. And let me share a little secret as a gift: if you do not fully understand a passage of Scripture, ask any AI to read it to you and explain it — but only if it uses kenosis as the lens. Then reflect on why AI is able to do that.
Good catch, I found my online handle from using AI:

The name Lian does not have a meaning directly within the Bible itself, but the Greek word λίαν (lian) appears as an adverb meaning "greatly," "exceedingly," or "very much". This Greek word is found in several New Testament passages, such as Matthew 8:28 and Mark 6:51, describing something as "exceedingly fierce" or being "amazed beyond measure"

Daniel 12:4 has it also:
4 But you, O Daniel, shut up the words and seal the Book until the time of the end. [Then] many shall run to and fro and search anxiously [through the Book], and knowledge [of God’s purposes as revealed by His prophets] shall be increased and become great. [Amos 8:12.]
 
Good catch, I found my online handle from using AI:

The name Lian does not have a meaning directly within the Bible itself, but the Greek word λίαν (lian) appears as an adverb meaning "greatly," "exceedingly," or "very much". This Greek word is found in several New Testament passages, such as Matthew 8:28 and Mark 6:51, describing something as "exceedingly fierce" or being "amazed beyond measure"

Daniel 12:4 has it also:
4 But you, O Daniel, shut up the words and seal the Book until the time of the end. [Then] many shall run to and fro and search anxiously [through the Book], and knowledge [of God’s purposes as revealed by His prophets] shall be increased and become great. [Amos 8:12.]
I use Ginosko2001 as nickname, sometimes. Also in the Bible.
 
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