I know the unitarians deny that temptation can refer to an external stimulus and that a man's internal reaction can be influenced toward it if he decides to follow it. Jesus as incarnate then has that choice. He resisted sin even unto death on the cross. Being incarnate, he experienced that pressure while knowing the suffering of the cross before him. I do not know why someone wishes to belittle that.
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Jehovah is the all powerful only true God= the Father= Jesus' God.
You have stated correctly. These are all true aspects of Christ the divine son. It is amazing that you got part of the details correct. This is one of the amazing verses about Jesus as God within the Godhead.
John 1:18 (ESV)
18No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known.
Jesus is 100% clear at John 17:1-6,26-- Verse3 The one who sent him= FATHER is THE ONLY TRUE GOD.--Verse 6=YHVH(Jehovah) 26= Jehovah. Jesus taught truth. Paul backs him 100% -1 Cor 8:6- There is one God to all= the Father. -- These men taught truth. Who do you believe?
The evil thing on your part is that you have glossed over the details of Christ Jesus's pre-existence in the glory of God. I believe the whole testimony of scripture, not select verses by some JW blocking the truth.
FreeInChrist
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It says in scripture that
Phi 2:
6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,
WHICH YOU CERTAINLY CANNOT GRASP... THAT IS WHY
7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
AND IT IS RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF YOUR BLINDED EYEBALLS.
Because you cannot or do not read... at least on here from the provided link
If Jesus was truly “in very nature God” (Philippians 2:6), why would an omnipotent deity need to empty himself at all? Contents Definition and Context of “Emptying Himself” The Meaning of “Very Nature God” *Why the Need to “Empty” Himself? *incl is the reason why and the fulfillment of prophesy Unity of Divine and Human Natures Philosophical and Behavioral Perspective Historical and Archaeological Corroborations Theological Significance and Conclusion You re:ask this for the umteenth time "or that he was tested," This has been asked by you and answered by many. My final answer. Not one of you 3 can understand this but this tested is the dame word as tempted as I offered that to you yesteday. ARE YOU saying, once again that the bible tells lies? Matt 4:1 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. NWT 4:1 Then Jesus was led by the spirit up into the wilderness to be tempteda by the Devil. Even the JWs got this one right. |
Peterlag
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Philippians 2 does not say Jesus emptied himself of his Godhood. It simply says he emptied himself. You add to it that it was his Godhood. You add it. God does not have it in the verse.
FreeInChrist
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Just because YOU do not believe does not make it not so.
Peterlag
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The trinity does not come from Scripture. The trinity comes from the doctrine of devils that the churches taught you. And in most cases it's the first thing they teach you and then they (like you) begin to look for Scripture that supports such a concept. You do this by taking the verses out of context, or not understanding how the words were used in the culture they were written in, or from a bad translation.
I wonder then how the culture interpreted this:
John 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known.
FreeInChrist
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Eeryone, pay attention.
See how fast Peter will throw this one at me again rather then attempt an answer that simply is false.
Until you can give me a nonTrinoity view as to why anyone would need to be baptised in the name of the Father,Son and Holy Spirit your arguement has a major hole in it.
I have aske before and as usual was ignored... because you cannot come up with a reason.
While The Bible does not explicitly mention the word "Trinity," there are several verses refer to the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit together, indicating the concept. Key scriptures include Matthew 28:19, 2 Corinthians 13:14, and John 14:16-17, among others.
Matt 28:19 "go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."
2 Cor 13-14 "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all."
John 14: 16-17 speaks about Jesus promising to send the Holy Spirit, referred to as the Advocate or Helper, to be with believers forever.
Key Scriptures Referring to the Trinity
The concept of the Trinity is supported by various scriptures that mention all three persons: God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ), and God the Holy Spirit. Here are some key verses:New Testament Verses
| Matthew 28:19 | Jesus commands to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. |
| 2 Corinthians 13:14 | Paul mentions the grace of Jesus, love of God, and fellowship of the Holy Spirit. |
| John 14:16-17 | Jesus speaks of the Father sending the Holy Spirit to be with the disciples. |
| John 1:1-3 | Describes the Word (Jesus) being with God and being God, indicating His divine nature. |
| John 3:16 | God the Father sends His Son into the world for salvation. |
Old Testament Verses
| Genesis 1:26 | God says, "Let us make man in our image," suggesting a plurality in the Godhead. |
| Isaiah 48:16 | The Lord speaks, indicating the presence of the Spirit and the Son in His mission. |
These verses collectively illustrate the doctrine of the Trinity, affirming the distinct persons of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit while maintaining the unity of one God.
Oh, and I better give some credit to Logos Bible Software on this. That tool makes it easy to find verses that refer to some of the Trinity members via pronouns. For example, Matthew 12:28 refers to all three members of the Trinity, but since Jesus is speaking, he is only referred to with the pronoun “I.” Good luck trying to figure this out with a regular concordance!
1. Matthew 3:16
“After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him.”2. Matthew 12:28
“But if I [Jesus] cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.”3. Matthew 28:19
“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit . . .”4. Luke 3:22
“And the Holy Spirit descended upon Him [Jesus] in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, “You are My [the Father’s] beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased.”5. John 14:26
“But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My [Jesus’] name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.”6. John 15:26
“When the Helper comes, whom I [Jesus] will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me . . .”7. Acts 1:4
“Gathering them together, He [Jesus] commanded them not to leave Jerusalem, but to wait for what the Father had promised, “Which,” He said, “you heard of from Me . . .”8. Acts 2:33
“Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He [Jesus] has poured forth this which you both see and hear.”9. Acts 10:38
“You know of Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.”10. Romans 1:4
“Who was declared the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord . . .”11. Romans 8:9
“However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.”12. 1 Corinthians 6:11
Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.13.
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.14. Galatians 4:6
Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!”15. Ephesians 1:17
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of Him.16. Ephesians 2:18
For through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father.17. Ephesians 2:22
In whom [Jesus] you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.18. Titus 3:6
Whom [the Holy Spirit] He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior.19. Hebrews 9:14
How much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?20. 1 Peter 1:2
According to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: may grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.Side track for Jesus is God.
Col 2:9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
emphasizing His complete divinity and humanity. This verse highlights the belief that Jesus embodies the entire essence of God
and
Is 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Is 44:6 “This is what the LORD says— Israel’s King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.
Sorry Peter... there just are so many proofs that Jesus is God......
Luke 1: 46-47 And Mary said: “My soul exalts the Lord, 47And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.
Enough...
Bck on topic. any dupolications just indicates their importance
1 John 5:7
Romans 8:15
2 Corinthians 13:14
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.1 Peter 1:2
According to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you.Enough............
The trinity does not come from Scripture. The trinity comes from the doctrine of devils that the churches taught you.
As you were taught , you believe.
And in most cases it's the first thing they teach you and then they (like you) begin to look for Scripture that supports such a concept. You do this by taking the verses out of context, or not understanding how the words were used in the culture they were written in, or from a bad translation.
civic
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Spiritual truth is veiled and hidden by the god of this world as per 2 Corinthians 4:3-4. They are unable to see Jesus true and real glory. Jesus also hid His true identity to all but the 12.
I know the being God sent to Earth preexisted his human form= The firstborn of all creation.
Creation was done through the Christ in his divinity. He is the image of God because he is God incarnate sent from heaven and having been at the side of the Father.
John 1:18 (ESV)
18No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known.
You have a bit of catching up to do.
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Yes all other things created-THROUGH- the one God sent to Earth named Jesus as a mortal= Gods master worker( Prov 8:30)= the one beside God during creation= created direct, first and last= firstborn of all creation( Prov 8:22) = only begotten son=monogenes= unique.
Exactly-no man has ever seen God, they saw Jesus.
That Greek for John 1:18 is not the best supported Greek. I think you missed the argument for saying mongenes theos instead of mongenes huios. Here it is:
The nest of textual variants is rather complicated, but probably the right reading is monogenēs theos, ‘the unique and beloved one, [himself] God’—taking ‘God’ appositionally. No other passage puts these words together like this, which probably accounts for the change made by many copyists to monogenēs huios, ‘the unique and beloved Son’ (or, in more traditional language, ‘the only begotten Son’). That is so common an expression in John that it is hard to imagine any copyist changing ‘Son’ to ‘God’.
D. A. Carson, The Gospel according to John, Eerdmans, 1991, 139.
There are even passages that Christians would like to keep from the KJV but are not found authentic. And we have to accept that. So there are passages like John 1:18 that JWs need to recognize despite not liking what it says.
1:18= the only begotten god( small g)
how many gods does your religion think there are?
FreeInChrist
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@Keiw1
IN THE DEBATE YOU SAID
"There is no capitol G God to the Word at John 1:1 in Koine Greek."
All New Testament biblical translations from the Greek are from Koine Greek, because the New Testament was originally written in Koine Greek.
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Textus Receptus (Beza, 1598)
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Berean Greek Bible (2016)
Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ ὁ Λόγος. ἦν Θεὸς
Byzantine/Majority Text (2000)
εν αρχη ην ο λογος και ο λογος ην προς τον θεον και θεος ην ο λογος
Byzantine/Majority Text
εν αρχη ην 5707 ο λογος και ο λογος ην 5707 προς τον θεον και θεος ην 5707 ο λογος
Textus Receptus (Elzevir, 1624)
εν 5707 αρχη ην ο 5707 λογος και ο λογος ην προς 5707 τον θεον και θεος ην ο λογος
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Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν 5713 ὁ λόγος καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν 5713 πρὸς τὸν θεόν καὶ θεὸς ἦν 5713 ὁ λόγος
SBL Greek New Testament (2010)
Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος
Textus Receptus (Schrivener, 1894)
εν αρχη ην ο λογος και ο λογος ην προς τον θεον και θεος ην ο λογος
Textus Receptus (Stephanus, 1550)
εν αρχη ην ο λογος και ο λογος ην προς τον θεον και θεος ην ο λογος
Tischendorf 8th Edition (1869/72)
Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος
Textus Receptus (1550/1894)
ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν 5707 ὁ λόγος καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν 5707 πρὸς τὸν θεόν καὶ θεὸς ἦν 5707 ὁ λόγος
Westcott / Hort, UBS4
εν αρχη ην 5707 ο λογος και ο λογος ην 5707 προς τον θεον και θεος ην 5707 ο λογος
IN THE DEBATE YOU SAID
"There is no capitol G God to the Word at John 1:1 in Koine Greek."
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Textus Receptus (Beza, 1598)
εν αρχη ην ο λογος και ο λογος ην προς τον θεον και θεος ην ο λογος
Berean Greek Bible (2016)
Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ ὁ Λόγος. ἦν Θεὸς
Byzantine/Majority Text (2000)
εν αρχη ην ο λογος και ο λογος ην προς τον θεον και θεος ην ο λογος
Byzantine/Majority Text
εν αρχη ην 5707 ο λογος και ο λογος ην 5707 προς τον θεον και θεος ην 5707 ο λογος
Textus Receptus (Elzevir, 1624)
εν 5707 αρχη ην ο 5707 λογος και ο λογος ην προς 5707 τον θεον και θεος ην ο λογος
Neste-Aland 26
Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν 5713 ὁ λόγος καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν 5713 πρὸς τὸν θεόν καὶ θεὸς ἦν 5713 ὁ λόγος
SBL Greek New Testament (2010)
Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος
Textus Receptus (Schrivener, 1894)
εν αρχη ην ο λογος και ο λογος ην προς τον θεον και θεος ην ο λογος
Textus Receptus (Stephanus, 1550)
εν αρχη ην ο λογος και ο λογος ην προς τον θεον και θεος ην ο λογος
Tischendorf 8th Edition (1869/72)
Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος
Textus Receptus (1550/1894)
ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν 5707 ὁ λόγος καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν 5707 πρὸς τὸν θεόν καὶ θεὸς ἦν 5707 ὁ λόγος
Westcott / Hort, UBS4
εν αρχη ην 5707 ο λογος και ο λογος ην 5707 προς τον θεον και θεος ην 5707 ο λογος
civic
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No little g’s another uni failure
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