Let's look at Mary

[Obadiah]

You are confused @Obadiah

I have no idea what particular denomination that Administrator claims as their own.

I only posted the requested information that Administrator asked me to provide.
The next time i post a similar Thread i will certainly post a LINK to a specific site where the DATA is offered, unless im only using Paul's NT Theology as the means to uncover a similar Religious organization.
And i posted a little more, for their information, as im sure they would want to be as informed as possible.
Any Christian would...want this....if they are sincere.

See "my people are destroyed for lack of KNOWLEDGE"...and i just posted some, for the benefit of anyone who is a bible student, and wants to know more about Religious Fraud and who is teaching it worldwide at the highest levels.

Then way did you post this to him ?

Post in thread 'Let's look at Mary'

Yesterday at 6:06 AM

You didn't post you source.

If you need more, let me know.
I can always post the Council(s) of Trent, or Catholic.org.

St. Bernardine of Siena is today's : Catholic Saint of the Day.​

So, if you've not already prayed to this one yet...., i'd suggest you pass on that, and give God some praise instead, along with your prayers.​

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Mary’s 15 Promises – St. Ann Catholic Church

saintannparish.org

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[Donald]

Early Christian writings prove the first Christians were thoroughly Catholic in belief and practice and looked to the successors of the apostles as their leaders. What these first Christians believed is still believed by the Catholic Church. No other Church can make that claim.

What Mary said works for me.

His mother said to the servants, “Do whatever he tells you.” John 2:5

That also goes for water baptism.

Why did Jesus say in John 3:5, “unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.”?

To understand this verse, we need to consider a passage in Ezekiel. “I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you. And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules” (Ezekiel 36:25-27).

 

[Liz T]

The Catholic Church is the "cult of Mary".

Do the research, and find out, that this was the TITLE given to this Religious system, before it was later rebranded as "Catholic".

So, the "cult of mary" that is the original title, reflects "Cathilic Cult'.

See, you are just one more who has no connection to the actual early History of your denomination.

Be glad that im provided some clarity here, so that you also can learn something about the TRUE History of the "cult of Mary".

It's online garbage that you are trying to spread and you're not doing it very effectively. As the Catholic Church was never engaged in the in the worship of Mary.

While Catholics have a deep reverence and love for Mary, they do not worship her as a deity. The term "cult of Mary" is often used to describe the devotional practices and reverence towards Mary within Catholicism, but it's important to distinguish this from the concept of worship, which is reserved for God alone.

 

[Behold]

It's online garbage that you are trying to spread and you're not doing it very effectively. As the Catholic Church was never engaged in the in the worship of Mary.

Did you read the actual Thread?
Its simply stated what the Catholic Church teaches that Mary Said.... literally.
So, this never happened, as there was no Rosary, when Mary was alive., and there are no Actual "teachings of Mary".

Now there is a "Gospel of Mary" but that was not written by Jesus's mother.
And None of the Apostles "venerated" Mary, or anything like it.
The NT says that "Mary is blessed among women".. not Blessed ABOVE THEM, and "exaulted as she is equal to Jesus.
The MaryCult teaches that Jesus is King in Heaven and "Mary is Queen".
And that is another Lie.
Read the 15 Mary sayings carefully, as they are teaching she saves you, keeps you out of hell and supplies for your needs.

A.) No she doesn't, as that is all MaryCult FALSE teaching

So, at some point, hundreds of years after Mary died....... someone, or a group of men, began to create this False Religious "veneration" of Mary........and created false teachings, that i posted.
Since then the MaryCult has created endless exaultations of Mary.

"Mary is co-author of Salvation". "Mediatrix"

"pray to Mary, and she tells Jesus".

"Mary will meet you when you die".

"Mary can keep you out of Hell"

"Mary ascended to heaven, in her dead body".

"Mary is a perpetual virgin" and never had any other children.

The Catholic Church celebrates approximately 19 Marian feast days throughout the liturgical year, plus the months of May and October, which are dedicated to the """Blessed Virgin Mary"""

So, the issue is that MaryCult members want to pretend that Mary is not everything to the "cult of Mary".. and that is dishonest.

The fact is, If Mary obsession, Mary Veneration, Mary Festivals, and Mary celebration Months, and False Mary Theology, was completely removed from the Catholic Church, it would cease to exist.

While Catholics have a deep reverence and love for Mary, they do not worship her as a deity.

The issue is that the "deep reverence" has created ever evolving false teachings regarding Mary, that are not found in any BIBLE.
I posted 15 of them.
You have not even tried to prove one of them, because you know better then to try it, as it will fail, as you can't prove a Lie to be True, @Liz T ...
But you can try, and if you do, then what ive been posting will just become more obviously true.

 

[Begotten]

Beware of the cult of beholders. It will lead you astray. It has unusual, and often extreme, religious, spiritual, or philosophical beliefs. And tend to be quite hateful.

In an adjacent sense, "cult" can refer to practices, objects and rituals concerning one deity in particular: the cult of a given deity would amount to the worship of them specifically, rather than in a context of alongside other deities figures.

Here is their site on Facebook

Beholder's Cult

Beholder's Cult. Gefällt 1.212 Mal. Banda brasiliense de Doom.

www.facebook.com

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[Liz T]

Did you read the actual Thread?
Its simply stated what the Catholic Church teaches that Mary Said.... literally.
So, this never happened, as there was no Rosary, when Mary was alive., and there are no Actual "teachings of Mary".

Now there is a "Gospel of Mary" but that was not written by Jesus's mother.
And None of the Apostles "venerated" Mary, or anything like it.
The NT says that "Mary is blessed among women".. not Blessed ABOVE THEM, and "exaulted as she is equal to Jesus.
The MaryCult teaches that Jesus is King in Heaven and "Mary is Queen".
And that is another Lie.
Read the 15 Mary sayings carefully, as they are teaching she saves you, keeps you out of hell and supplies for your needs.

A.) No she doesn't, as that is all MaryCult FALSE teaching

So, at some point, hundreds of years after Mary died....... someone, or a group of men, began to create this False Religious "veneration" of Mary........and created false teachings, that i posted.
Since then the MaryCult has created endless exaultations of Mary.

"Mary is co-author of Salvation". "Mediatrix"

"pray to Mary, and she tells Jesus".

"Mary will meet you when you die".

"Mary can keep you out of Hell"

"Mary ascended to heaven, in her dead body".

"Mary is a perpetual virgin" and never had any other children.

The Catholic Church celebrates approximately 19 Marian feast days throughout the liturgical year, plus the months of May and October, which are dedicated to the """Blessed Virgin Mary"""

So, the issue is that MaryCult members want to pretend that Mary is not everything to the "cult of Mary".. and that is dishonest.

The fact is, If Mary obsession, Mary Veneration, Mary Festivals, and Mary celebration Months, and False Mary Theology, was completely removed from the Catholic Church, it would cease to exist.





The issue is that the "deep reverence" has created ever evolving false teachings regarding Mary, that are not found in any BIBLE.
I posted 15 of them.
You have not even tried to prove one of them, because you know better then to try it, as it will fail, as you can't prove a Lie to be True, @Liz T ...
But you can try, and if you do, then what ive been posting will just become more obviously true.

Did all that come from Cult of Beholders?

 

[Behold]

Did all that come from Cult of Beholders?

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So, once again.. Here is what Mary never said, or taught.

1. Whoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary shall receive signal graces.​

For children: If you pray the Rosary, God will help you make good choices when you’re not sure what to do.

2. I promise my special protection and the greatest graces to all those who shall recite the Rosary.​

For children: When you pray the Rosary, Mary promises to make an extra effort to protect you and send you special blessings.

3. The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell; it will destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies.​

For children: When you pray the Rosary, it helps you to be good. If you struggle with a certain bad habit, like lying or hitting your siblings, praying the Rosary will help you overcome these habits. Praying the Rosary is like riding around in a tank! You’ll have super strong protection against the devil!

4. The Rosary will cause virtue and good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the hearts of men from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire for eternal things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means.​

For children: Praying the Rosary will help you grow in holiness, because it helps you grow in the virtues like love, honesty, wisdom, faithfulness, and courage. Which virtues do you need to grow in? Pray the Rosary! Our Lady will help you!

5. The soul which recommends itself to me by the recitation of the Rosary shall not perish.​

You won’t go to hell = if you pray the Rosary. That doesn’t mean you won’t go to purgatory.

For children: If you trust in Mary by praying the Rosary, she promises you won’t go to hell. (If you are not comfortable telling your child about hell yet, you can say something like “Mary promises to help you get to heaven if you pray the Rosary and trust in her.”)

6. Whoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying himself to the consideration of its sacred mysteries, shall never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise him in His justice; he shall not perish by an unprovided death. If he be just, he shall remain in the grace of God and become worthy of eternal life.​

For children: If you make a habit of praying the Rosary, Mary will wrap her mantle around you like a good mother! She will help you when you are sad or having a hard time. What kind of hard times are you having right now? Are you sad about a problem with a friend? Disappointed or angry about something? Mary will make sure it’s not too much for you to handle!

7. Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the sacraments of the Church.​

Tthis sacrament also absolves you of any unconfessed sins.

For children: If you make a habit of praying the Rosary, Mary will make sure a priest anoints you with special oil to help you if ever get really sick. This is called the Anointing of the Sick. This sacrament sends you special graces that help you endure your illness and even grow in holiness through it.

8. Those who are faithful to recite the Rosary shall have during their life and at their death the light of God and the plentitude of His graces. At the moment of death, they shall participate in the merits of the saints in paradise.​

For children: Mary promises that if you pray the Rosary faithfully, you will have the light of God shining upon you and you will have many rewards in heaven like the saints.

9. I shall deliver from Purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary.​

Mary promises to “get us out” of purgatory quickly! She is our greatest Advocate.

For children: Mary promises that if you pray the Rosary, she will help you become pure and holy so that you go to heaven.

10. The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of glory in Heaven.​

Praying the Rosary merits us a higher place in Heaven because we will become more holy.

For children: If you pray the Rosary faithfully, you will sit very close to Jesus and his Mother in Heaven.

11. You shall obtain all you ask of me by the recitation of the Rosary.​

Mary is our advocate and she mediates between her Son and us. She will ask Jesus for all that we ask, provided it’s good for our salvation and doesn’t violate God’s perfect will for us.

For children: When you pray the Rosary, you can ask Mary for what you need, and she will talk to her son about it. Jesus loves his mom so much that he pays attention to what she says!

12. All those who propagate the Holy Rosary shall be aided by me in their necessities.​

This means that when you tell others about the Rosary, including teaching your children to pray it, Mary will take special care to ensure you have what you need both spiritually and physically.

For children: When you share what you know about the Rosary with other people, Mary loves it! When you do this, she promises that you will have what you need to become more holy. She even promises that you will have enough food, clothing, and a home to live in.

13. I have obtained from my Divine Son that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the entire celestial court during their life and at the hour of death.​

Mary promises that if we encourage others to pray the Rosary, the angels in heaven will be interceding for us not only during our lives, but when we die.

For children: When you encourage other people to pray the Rosary, Mary promises that all the angels in heaven will be praying for you!

14. All who recite the Rosary are my sons and daughters, the brothers and sisters of Jesus Christ.​

When we recite the Rosary, we are the children of Mary, and Jesus is our BROTHER.... We are part of the Holy Family.

Children: When you pray the Rosary, Mary treats you like her very own child and Jesus becomes like your big brother. You are part of her own family!

15. Devotion to my Rosary is a great sign of predestination.​

 

[Administrator]

Is this so hard to understand?

1c. No attacks on another poster's religious beliefs, race, national origin, or gender.

1d. No chats that deteriorate into petty bickering, gossip, backbiting, or argumentative bantering.

Last warning. No reply needed.

 

[MTMattie]

Beware of the cult of beholders. It will lead you astray. It has unusual, and often extreme, religious, spiritual, or philosophical beliefs. And tend to be quite hateful.

In an adjacent sense, "cult" can refer to practices, objects and rituals concerning one deity in particular: the cult of a given deity would amount to the worship of them specifically, rather than in a context of alongside other deities figures.

Here is their site on Facebook

Beholder's Cult

Beholder's Cult. Gefällt 1.212 Mal. Banda brasiliense de Doom.

www.facebook.com

​

Having been permanently banned from Facebook cannot see it.

 

[Obadiah]

Having been permanently banned from Facebook cannot see it.

Your not missing anything and I mean that in a good way.

 

[Behold]

According to Catholic Theology....'2025

1.) Mary is also known as the "New Eve", hence she is seen by the Catholic Church as having a singular dignity above the saints, receiving a higher level of veneration than all angelic spirits and blessed souls in heaven.

2.) Mariology teaches :

Her Immaculate Conception (having no stain of original sin),

Her Perpetual Virginity,

and the Assumption of Mary's dead body into Heaven .

3.) The two Marian dogmas of Immaculate Conception (Mary born without original sin)... and Assumption (Mary flew to heaven in her dead body).... were not established by popes until the 19th and 20th century.
So, as usual, none of this is found in a New Testament or in any Greek or Latin text.

4.) Pope Paul VI's Credo of the People of God states: The Mother of the Church, carries on in heaven her maternal role with regard to the members of Christ, cooperating in the birth and development of divine life in the souls of the redeemed.

 

[Administrator]

According to Catholic Theology....'2025

1.) Mary is also known as the "New Eve", hence she is seen by the Catholic Church as having a singular dignity above the saints, receiving a higher level of veneration than all angelic spirits and blessed souls in heaven.

2.) Mariology teaches :

Her Immaculate Conception (having no stain of original sin),

Her Perpetual Virginity,

and the Assumption of Mary's dead body into Heaven .

3.) The two Marian dogmas of Immaculate Conception (Mary born without original sin)... and Assumption (Mary flew to heaven in her dead body).... were not established by popes until the 19th and 20th century.
So, as usual, none of this is found in a New Testament or in any Greek or Latin text.

4.) Pope Paul VI's Credo of the People of God states: The Mother of the Church, carries on in heaven her maternal role with regard to the members of Christ, cooperating in the birth and development of divine life in the souls of the redeemed.

Thats the way to do it, thanks.

 

[MTMattie]

According to Catholic Theology....'2025

1.) Mary is also known as the "New Eve", hence she is seen by the Catholic Church as having a singular dignity above the saints, receiving a higher level of veneration than all angelic spirits and blessed souls in heaven.

For no particular reason as of late I have wondered why since Jesus is often referred to as the last Adam, why Mary has not been called the last Eve. This is close enough...

2.) Mariology teaches :

Her Immaculate Conception (having no stain of original sin),

Her Perpetual Virginity,

and the Assumption of Mary's dead body into Heaven .

3.) The two Marian dogmas of Immaculate Conception (Mary born without original sin)... and Assumption (Mary flew to heaven in her dead body).... were not established by popes until the 19th and 20th century.
So, as usual, none of this is found in a New Testament or in any Greek or Latin text.

4.) Pope Paul VI's Credo of the People of God states: The Mother of the Church, carries on in heaven her maternal role with regard to the members of Christ, cooperating in the birth and development of divine life in the souls of the redeemed.

 

[Behold]

For no particular reason as of late I have wondered why since Jesus is often referred to as the last Adam, why Mary has not been called the last Eve. This is close enough...

The Edit by Admin has lots of Titles for their """ Queen. """"

Like.

"Queen of Heaven"..........See, they teach that as Jesus is the King of Heaven, then Mary is the Queen of Heaven.

No bible teaches this about Mary.

Here are some Titles given to Mary, by Edit by Admin

1.) Immaculate Conception.........(born free from original sin, just like Jesus

2.) Queen of Heaven

3.) Our Lady

4.) Mystic Rose

5.) Mediatrix... (Co-Author of Salvation)

6.) Queen of Angels

7.) Gate of Heaven

8.) Holy Virgin of Virgins

9.) Morning Star

10.) The immaculate Heart

If you want to read more False titles, then go here..

Titles of Mary, Mother of God

Titles of Mary based on Church doctrine, the Litany of the Blessed Virgin Mary, and her pilgrimage sites around the world

www.roman-catholic-saints.com

 

[Begotten]

For no particular reason as of late I have wondered why since Jesus is often referred to as the last Adam, why Mary has not been called the last Eve. This is close enough...

What ever any of us want to call her I think it is best to go by what the Bible tells us about her.

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Now the birth of Jesus Christ took place under these circumstances: When His mother Mary had been promised in marriage to Joseph, before they came together, she was found to be pregnant [through the power] of the Holy Spirit.
Matthew 1:18

I'll be back with more, my wife is calling me to do our Daily Devotions. Can't keep the Lady of the house waiting.

 

[Behold]

What ever any of us want to call her I think it is best to go by what the Bible tells us about her.

Good idea.
Lets go with "what the bible says about Mary".. regarding her TITLE.

A.) "Mary is blessed among women"......

She is not blessed ABOVE THEM.

She is not a QUEEN of Heaven
She is not the "immaculate conception" as She had a father, and a mother, and she was born just like YOU and ME......and later had to trust in CHRIST and be forgiven.
The only way Mary could be "sinless", is if God was her Father, and she was born of a Virgin, as that is the requirement that produced JESUS>......but it didnt produce Mary.
Mary was created by 2 SINNERs.........same as everyone else.

The NT teaches that Mary had other children.........so she is not a "perpetual virgin".

At some point, the available history tells us......that Mary died, and that was about 11 yrs after Jesus was back in heaven.
She never ascended to GLORY (HeavenO) in her dead body,..... as the MaryCult teaches for only a very short time. Its the " Brand NEW" stuff they made up about Mary.
The Apostles, do not celebrate Mary, they do not venerate Mary, and they do not Pray to Mary, nor do they teach anyone to do any of this regarding Mary.


John, Paul, Matthew, Luke.....all died decades after Mary died, and none of them have anything to do with Mary, in their epistles.

NOTHING.

John died about 50 yrs after Mary died, so where is all the MARY Teachings..........Did he forget?
No.. He didnt forget.

A.) So, the MaryCult, is not based on the Apostle's Writings, ........its solely based on MaryCult-Religion writers who created all this false teaching regarding Mary.