Do Catholics Pray to Mary?

[Administrator]

@Administrator
It’s ok, I will type the scriptures out instead.

Or copy/paste works. 1 image per page is fine just adjust them down not taking up taking whole page.

1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set me free from the law of sin and death.
Ro 8:1–2. (copy/paste)


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[Donald]

In Jeremiah 7:18, God is indeed upset with the Israelites for worshipping a false goddess called the “queen of heaven”. However, just because God rebuked them for worshipping the false queen of heaven, doesn’t mean that we cannot pay honor to the true Queen of Heaven…the Blessed Mother.

That type of thinking would lead you to believe that just because people worship a false god that they call “god,” we, therefore, should not call the true God, by that same name…God…because that’s the same title the idolaters use for their god. That is faulty logic.

In the same way, the fact that there is a false “queen of heaven,” does not lead to the conclusion that we worship a false goddess when we call Mary the “Queen of Heaven.” Just as the fact that there is a false “god,” does not lead to the conclusion that we worship a false god when we call our Father in Heaven God.

And there is a true Queen of Heaven, which we see quite clearly in Revelation 12:1: “And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars…” So in this passage, we read that there is a woman…she’s in Heaven…and she has a crown on her head. It is the true Queen of Heaven, Mary, the mother of the male child who is to rule the nations.

As Catholics, we do not worship Mary; we honor her, just as Jesus honors her. So there is absolutely nothing wrong, from a scriptural point of view, in calling Mary the Queen of Heaven, and in honoring her just as Jesus honors her.

 

[DavidTree]

The Catholic Church has been devoted to spreading truth since she was founded by Christ 2,000 years ago. The late Archbishop Fulton Sheen once said, “It is easy to find truth; it is hard to face it, and harder still to follow it.” Pray that Christ will lead you to find truth, and that your heart will be open to the truth wherever you may find it.

Catholics believe that worship is due to God alone. Catholics do, however, venerate Mary. In other words, we honor our Blessed Mother with great reverence and devotion because she is the Mother of God. Mary is the model of perfect love and obedience to Christ.

God preserved Mary from sin, and she conceived our Lord by the power of the Holy Spirit, bringing Christ into our world. Catholics can’t help but honor the Blessed Virgin Mary, who is full of grace, the Mother of God and our Mother, for her “yes” to God that made the Incarnation possible. And without the Incarnation, we would not have salvation. Mary is the most beautiful model of total submission to the will of God. Catholics do not view Mary as equal to Christ, but rather venerate Mary because of her relationship to Christ. The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains, “Mary’s role in the Church is inseparable from her union with Christ and flows directly from it.”

As Catholics, we pray that we can respond to God’s call to holiness for our lives in the way that Mary did. Mother Theresa prayed to emulate Mary’s devotion to Christ:

“Mary, Mother of Jesus, give me your heart so beautiful, so pure, so immaculate, 
so full of love and humility that I may be able to receive Jesus in the Bread of Life, 
love Him as You loved Him, and serve Him as You served Him….”

The Catholic Church has been devoted to spreading truth since she was founded by Christ 2,000 years ago.

Let's SEE if your claims on RCC are found in God's heart and words.

Any compromise and/or refutation of God's words can only come from three positions:
a.) unbelief
b.) idolatry
c.) satan

#1. - Christ did not establish the Roman Catholic church.
John 1:10-13
He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.
He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become sons of God, to those who believe in His name:
who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

We SEE here, from the very beginning, Salvation belongs to God and God alone.
This is the Truth from Genesis to Revelation that only thru the Atonement provided by God can a soul enter into Eternal Life.

Psalm 3:8 - "Salvation belongs to the Lord."

Jonah 2:9 - But I, with shouts of grateful praise, will sacrifice to you.
What I have vowed I will make good. I will say, ‘Salvation comes from the LORD.’”

Revelation 7:10 - And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.

The Roman Catholic church adorns herself with gold, silver, jewels, elaborate clothing and statues/idols and praises of men.
These things are an outward show/display by it in order to quantify it's legitimacy before the world, as if it comes from God.

However, the Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Apostles instruct us that the Vatican is not the True Church.

Matthew 19:23-26
Then Jesus said to His disciples, “Assuredly, I say to you that it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?”

But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

Apostle Peter says: 1Peter 1:18
And if you call on the Father, who without partiality judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your stay here in fear; knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.

Apostle Paul says: Acts 17:29
Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you: God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.
Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things.
And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their pre-appointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’
Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising.
Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”

 

[Donald]

Let's SEE if your claims on RCC are found in God's heart and words.

Any compromise and/or refutation of God's words can only come from three positions:
a.) unbelief
b.) idolatry
c.) satan

#1. - Christ did not establish the Roman Catholic church.
John 1:10-13
He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.
He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become sons of God, to those who believe in His name:
who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

We SEE here, from the very beginning, Salvation belongs to God and God alone.
This is the Truth from Genesis to Revelation that only thru the Atonement provided by God can a soul enter into Eternal Life.

Psalm 3:8 - "Salvation belongs to the Lord."

Jonah 2:9 - But I, with shouts of grateful praise, will sacrifice to you.
What I have vowed I will make good. I will say, ‘Salvation comes from the LORD.’”

Revelation 7:10 - And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.

The Roman Catholic church adorns herself with gold, silver, jewels, elaborate clothing and statues/idols and praises of men.
These things are an outward show/display by it in order to quantify it's legitimacy before the world, as if it comes from God.

However, the Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Apostles instruct us that the Vatican is not the True Church.

Matthew 19:23-26
Then Jesus said to His disciples, “Assuredly, I say to you that it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?”

But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

Apostle Peter says: 1Peter 1:18
And if you call on the Father, who without partiality judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your stay here in fear; knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.

Apostle Paul says: Acts 17:29
Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you: God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.
Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things.
And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their pre-appointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’
Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising.
Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”

The Catholic Church is the only church that can claim to have been founded by Christ personally. Every other church traces its lineage back to a mere human person such as Martin Luther or John Wesley. The Catholic Church can trace its lineage back to Jesus Christ who appointed St. Peter as the first pope.

 

[DavidTree]

The Catholic Church is the only church that can claim to have been founded by Christ personally. Every other church traces its lineage back to a mere human person such as Martin Luther or John Wesley. The Catholic Church can trace its lineage back to Jesus Christ who appointed St. Peter as the first pope.

Apostle Peter - We just learned from the Holy Spirit that the Vatican/RCC was not founded by Christ -

Apostle Paul - We also learned from the Holy Spirit that the Vatican/RCC was formed/founded by men who worship idols

"Vatican City is not merely symbolic—it is a sovereign city-state with its own laws, governance, post office, diplomatic corps, and even its own currency."

LORD Jesus Christ Says:
Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said,
“The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’
For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”

Hebrews 13:14 - For here we have no continuing city, but we seek the one to come.
Therefore by Him let us continually offer the sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of our lips, giving thanks to His name.

"Vatican City is not merely symbolic—it is a sovereign city-state with its own laws, governance, post office, diplomatic corps, and even its own currency."

The True Church of the Lord Jesus Christ is not a building or location on this earth.

The True Church of Christ is His Body = Blood Washed Saints

Apostle Peter - Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious,
you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

 

[Donald]

Look to passages like Matthew 16:18-19, where Jesus states he will build his church on Peter. They also emphasize the concept of apostolic succession, claiming an unbroken line of bishops from the apostles, including Peter, to the current Pope.

Since Christ tells Peter that he is the rock upon which He will build His church. In verse 19, Christ continues, “And I will give unto you the keys of the kingdom of heaven…”. The “keys” He is referring to here is symbolic language meaning that He gives His ministers the knowledge of how to enter the kingdom.

This is what is taught in Roman Catholicism.

Of course, the apostles played a foundational role in the building of the church, but the role of primacy is reserved for Christ alone.

 

[mikepec]

Let's SEE if your claims on RCC are found in God's heart and words.

Any compromise and/or refutation of God's words can only come from three positions:
a.) unbelief
b.) idolatry
c.) satan

#1. - Christ did not establish the Roman Catholic church.
John 1:10-13
He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.
He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become sons of God, to those who believe in His name:
who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

We SEE here, from the very beginning, Salvation belongs to God and God alone.
This is the Truth from Genesis to Revelation that only thru the Atonement provided by God can a soul enter into Eternal Life.

Psalm 3:8 - "Salvation belongs to the Lord."

Jonah 2:9 - But I, with shouts of grateful praise, will sacrifice to you.
What I have vowed I will make good. I will say, ‘Salvation comes from the LORD.’”

Revelation 7:10 - And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.

The Roman Catholic church adorns herself with gold, silver, jewels, elaborate clothing and statues/idols and praises of men.
These things are an outward show/display by it in order to quantify it's legitimacy before the world, as if it comes from God.

However, the Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Apostles instruct us that the Vatican is not the True Church.

Matthew 19:23-26
Then Jesus said to His disciples, “Assuredly, I say to you that it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?”

But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

Apostle Peter says: 1Peter 1:18
And if you call on the Father, who without partiality judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your stay here in fear; knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.

Apostle Paul says: Acts 17:29
Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you: God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.
Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things.
And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their pre-appointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’
Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising.
Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”

Your ( clearly false ) opinions on the meaning of scripture are a complete irrelevance.

You are not “ sent” or the “ pillar of truth “ given the power to “ bind and loose”

Jesus gave that to HIS church and succession , the Catholic Church. Built on Peter.

Read all about it in the early fathers, the faith they handed down and the authority passed through succession.
You can even read what those taught by such as John were taught scripture meant.

Just say thanks to the Catholic Church , !!!!
without the powers given to them, you would have no New Testament , creed or council judgement on meaning, or indeed valid Eucharist.


The problem with such as yo making up your own meaning is it ends with at least 5 versions of mutually exclusive baptism, differing on necessity, method , applicability , efficacy , need I go on.
Same is true of Eucharist , morals, marriage , soteriology, priesthood etc etc etc.
Even Luther despaired of the monster of sola scriptura he unleashed!
Because it empowers them all to have their own version,

Every milkmaid now has their own doctrine he said!


So why should anyone care what you think?
This isn’t personal David , but scripture urges you not to do what you just did,
You Lean on your own understanding. Listen to those who are sent instead,

Jesus or successors” sent “ no one called “ David tree” to bind and loose.
He sent us Peter, and the apostles and successors jointly. Who sent others.

The pillar of truth is the church, says scripture , not David tree.

For the first 1000 years nobody disputed the role of the church, and the differences with the first schismatic Eastern Orthodoxy are minor. Yet you dispute it all ?

Jesus said the gospel would be preached to the end of time.

Not lost for 1000 years till someone called David tree, Luther or calvin found it again.

You all believe in didffiernt things .
And diverge again when you cannot agree.

Go back to history , find out what the early fathers believed

 

[Johann]

Look to passages like Matthew 16:18-19, where Jesus states he will build his church on Peter. They also emphasize the concept of apostolic succession, claiming an unbroken line of bishops from the apostles, including Peter, to the current Pope.

Since Christ tells Peter that he is the rock upon which He will build His church. In verse 19, Christ continues, “And I will give unto you the keys of the kingdom of heaven…”. The “keys” He is referring to here is symbolic language meaning that He gives His ministers the knowledge of how to enter the kingdom.

One problem here--a couple actually--
Matthew 16:18 (NASB):

"I also say to you that you are Peter (Πέτρος, Petros), and upon this rock (πέτρα, petra) I will build My church..."

The distinction between Πέτρος (Petros) (masculine, meaning "stone" or "rock") and πέτρα (petra) (feminine, meaning "large rock" or "bedrock") is significant.

Jesus uses two different words, implying that Peter himself is not the bedrock but that his confession of faith ("You are the Christ, the Son of the living God" - v. 16) is the foundation.

Theologically, this distinction shows that the Church is built on the truth of Christ’s divine identity, not on Peter as an individual.

Apostolic Foundation:
Ephesians 2:20 (NASB):

"Having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the cornerstone..."

The foundation of the Church is not Peter alone but all the apostles, with Christ as the cornerstone.

This passage directly challenges the idea that Peter alone holds a foundational or exclusive primacy.

The Keys of the Kingdom:
Matthew 16:19 (NASB):

"I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven..."

The phrase "keys of the kingdom" (κλεῖδας τῆς βασιλείας) is symbolic of authority to bind and loose, which denotes the ability to declare what is permitted or forbidden based on God’s word.

Importantly, in Matthew 18:18, Jesus extends this authority to all the apostles, not to Peter alone:

"Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven..."

This demonstrates that the authority given to Peter was also given to the other apostles, showing shared leadership rather than monarchical primacy.

No Unbroken Succession:
Nowhere in Scripture is there a direct mandate for apostolic succession or an unbroken line of bishops from Peter to the Pope.

The New Testament pattern is of plural leadership (e.g., elders and deacons in each local church - Acts 14:23, Philippians 1:1), rather than a single supreme leader.

The idea that Peter was the first Pope contradicts the biblical evidence that the early church functioned with a plurality of elders.

Patristic Perspective:
Cyprian of Carthage (3rd century), who advocated for a unified episcopate, never argued for a papal primacy based on Matthew 16:18-19. Instead, he saw the episcopal office as equally shared among bishops.

Your historical stance further weakens the claim that early Christianity universally recognized Peter's primacy or papal succession.


The rock on which Christ builds His church is not Peter personally but the confession of faith in Jesus as the Christ. The "keys of the kingdom" and the power to bind and loose are shared among the apostles, and the notion of unbroken apostolic succession as understood in Roman Catholic theology lacks biblical and early historical support.

Thanks.

J.

 

[Donald]

The rock on which Christ builds His church is not Peter personally but the confession of faith in Jesus as the Christ.

Thanks.

J.

Of course, the apostles played a foundational role in the building of the church, but the role of primacy is reserved for Christ alone.

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[Johann]

Of course, the apostles played a foundational role in the building of the church, but the role of primacy is reserved for Christ alone.

So, are you saying you agree that the "rock" in Matthew 16:18 refers to Peter's confession and not Peter himself?

Jesus said:
"I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it." (Matthew 16:18, NASB)

The Greek words used are significant:

Πέτρος (Petros) - meaning "stone" or "small rock" (referring to Peter)

πέτρα (petra) - meaning "large rock" or "bedrock" (referring to the foundational truth) Messiah.

Since Jesus uses two different Greek words, it strongly indicates that the "rock" is not Peter himself but rather the confession that Peter made: "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God" (Matthew 16:16).

Just want to make absolutely sure we are on the same page here.

J.

 

[Donald]

So, are you saying you agree that the "rock" in Matthew 16:18 refers to Peter's confession and not Peter himself?

Jesus said:
"I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it." (Matthew 16:18, NASB)

The Greek words used are significant:

Πέτρος (Petros) - meaning "stone" or "small rock" (referring to Peter)

πέτρα (petra) - meaning "large rock" or "bedrock" (referring to the foundational truth) Messiah.

Since Jesus uses two different Greek words, it strongly indicates that the "rock" is not Peter himself but rather the confession that Peter made: "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God" (Matthew 16:16).

Just want to make absolutely sure we are on the same page here.

J.

I will get to it shortly. Thanks for asking.

 

[Donald]

The Catholic Church is the only universal Christian Church that has existed since the time of Jesus. Every other Christian group is an offshoot of the Catholic Church. The Eastern Orthodox churches broke away from unity with the pope in 1054. The Protestant communities were established during the Reformation, which began in 1517. (Most of today’s Protestant groups are actually offshoots of the original Protestant offshoots.)

Only the Catholic Church existed in the tenth century, in the fifth century, and in the first century, faithfully teaching the doctrines given by Christ to the apostles, omitting nothing. The line of popes can be traced back, in unbroken succession, to Peter himself. This is unequaled by any institution in history.

 

[Donald]

@Johann

Peter, the first Pope. What did Jesus say about him?

And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Matthew 16:18-19

For Catholics, this text is clear. All twelve apostles were present, yet Jesus promised to give to Peter alone the keys of the kingdom, symbolizing the authority of Christ—the authority of heaven—over the kingdom of heaven on earth, which is the Church. Yet millions of Protestants believe that there is a distinction in meaning in the Greek text between the two “rocks” that would eliminate Peter from consideration for being the rock.

“Thou art petros and upon this petra I will build my church.” The first rock, petros, is claimed to refer to a small, insignificant rock: Peter. The second, petra, is claimed to mean a massive boulder—that would be either Jesus or Peter’s confession of faith. The argument concludes that Jesus built his church not upon Peter, but upon either himself or Peter’s faith.

 

[mikepec]

Apostle Peter - We just learned from the Holy Spirit that the Vatican/RCC was not founded by Christ -

Apostle Paul - We also learned from the Holy Spirit that the Vatican/RCC was formed/founded by men who worship idols


LORD Jesus Christ Says:
Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said,
“The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’
For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”

Hebrews 13:14 - For here we have no continuing city, but we seek the one to come.
Therefore by Him let us continually offer the sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of our lips, giving thanks to His name.



The True Church of the Lord Jesus Christ is not a building or location on this earth.

The True Church of Christ is His Body = Blood Washed Saints

Apostle Peter - Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious,
you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

The entire difference between Catholics and Protestants of all description is a matter of authority, including to hand the faith down,

I point out repeatedly why your opinion is an irrelevance, but the church was certainly given authority , and early fathers taught by apostles and onwards expand on it. Read them.

Without the Catholic Church you don’t have a New Testament to quote

You never answer where YOUR authority to misinterpret scripture comes from, or why it is you think Jesus is so powerless to have let his church go off the rails, till you rescue it!! He says the gospel will be preached to the end of time. So the Catholic Church was certainly preaching it! It preached the power of councils and pope, so that must be what our lord intended,

Where in the New Testament is a reference to everyone got it wrong except you?

Until you state YOUR authority ( and spare us the “ spirit told me “ becausr every endless protestant schism claims Holy Spirit told them, so that’s a non starter)
Until then you are the one perverting church doctrine.

Which chapter and verse mentions David tree? I can find peter given keys and power to bind and loose .
Ditto apostolic succession, and successor bishops having the power.

I can’t find you! Exceot told not to “ lean on your understanding “

So answer the question. Your authority, and why you think Jesus is powerless , so needed you to bring it back!

 

[DavidTree]

@Johann

Peter, the first Pope. What did Jesus say about him?

And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Matthew 16:18-19

For Catholics, this text is clear. All twelve apostles were present, yet Jesus promised to give to Peter alone the keys of the kingdom, symbolizing the authority of Christ—the authority of heaven—over the kingdom of heaven on earth, which is the Church. Yet millions of Protestants believe that there is a distinction in meaning in the Greek text between the two “rocks” that would eliminate Peter from consideration for being the rock.

“Thou art petros and upon this petra I will build my church.” The first rock, petros, is claimed to refer to a small, insignificant rock: Peter. The second, petra, is claimed to mean a massive boulder—that would be either Jesus or Peter’s confession of faith. The argument concludes that Jesus built his church not upon Peter, but upon either himself or Peter’s faith.

@mikepec

Apostle Peter says there is only One True Church that is made by God using Born-Again Blood Washed Saints.

Apostle Paul confirms the Apostle Peter on the Church: 1 Corinthians chapter 3
v9 - For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building

Apostles Peter and Paul confirm that only the Lord Jesus Christ is the ROCK upon which the Church is built.
v11 - For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

The There is only One Foundation that the Living Stones Church of the Living God is built upon = Lord Jesus Christ
v16 - Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
v17 - If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him.
For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.

 

[DavidTree]

@Johann

Peter, the first Pope. What did Jesus say about him?

And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Matthew 16:18-19

For Catholics, this text is clear. All twelve apostles were present, yet Jesus promised to give to Peter alone the keys of the kingdom, symbolizing the authority of Christ—the authority of heaven—over the kingdom of heaven on earth, which is the Church. Yet millions of Protestants believe that there is a distinction in meaning in the Greek text between the two “rocks” that would eliminate Peter from consideration for being the rock.

“Thou art petros and upon this petra I will build my church.” The first rock, petros, is claimed to refer to a small, insignificant rock: Peter. The second, petra, is claimed to mean a massive boulder—that would be either Jesus or Peter’s confession of faith. The argument concludes that Jesus built his church not upon Peter, but upon either himself or Peter’s faith.

Peter, the first Pope. What did Jesus say about him?

JESUS told Peter that HE will build HIS Church upon HIMSELF(the ROCK) = Matthew 16:18-19

JESUS also told Peter this in Matthew 16:21-23
From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day.

Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!”

But JESUS turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”

Matthew chapter 16 CLEARLY identifies CHRIST as the ROCK and Salvation is to those who stand on the ROCK which is CHRIST.

The HOLY SPIRIT Says the LORD is our ROCK

Psalm 18:2
I will love You, O Lord, my strength.
The Lord is my Rock and my fortress and my deliverer;
My God, my strength, in whom I will trust;

Deuteronomy 32:4
“Give ear, O heavens, and I will speak;
And hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.
Let my teaching drop as the rain,
My speech distill as the dew,
As raindrops on the tender herb,
And as showers on the grass.
For I proclaim the name of the Lord:
Ascribe greatness to our God.
He is the Rock, His work is perfect;
For all His ways are justice,
A God of truth and without injustice;
Righteous and upright is He.

2 Samuel 22:47
“The Lord lives!
Blessed be my Rock!
Let God be exalted,
The Rock of my salvation!

ATTENTION @Donald and @mikepec

If you refute the words of Christ as Peter did, do not be surprised if JESUS says to you:
"Get behind me satan, you are an offence to Me for you care about the things of men!!!"

But if you confirm the things that Peter said: "No other foundation then JESUS CHRIST, the SON of the Living GOD"
Then you are on the Path of TRUTH

 

[Donald]

If we wish to locate the Church founded by Jesus, we need to locate the one that has the four chief marks or qualities of his Church. The Church we seek must be one, holy, catholic, and apostolic.

The Church Is One
So we, numerous as we are, are one body in Christ (the Messiah) and individually we are parts one of another [mutually dependent on one another].
Romans 12:5.

For we [no matter how] numerous we are, are one body, because we all partake of the one Bread [the One Whom the communion bread represents].
1 Corinthians 10:17
Through the centuries, in so many languages, cultures,
peoples, and nations, the Church has constantly confessed this one
faith, received from the one Lord, transmitted by one Baptism, and
grounded in the conviction that all people have only one God and
Father.58 St. Irenaeus of Lyons, a witness of this faith, declared:
173 “Indeed, the Church, though scattered throughout the
whole world, even to the ends of the earth, having received the
faith from the apostles and their disciples . . . guards [this preaching
and faith] with care, as dwelling in but a single house, and similarly
believes as if having but one soul and a single heart, and preaches,
teaches, and hands on this faith with a unanimous voice, as if
possessing only one mouth.”
CATECHISM of the CATHOLIC CHURCH 813-822

Jesus established only one Church, not a collection of differing churches, Lutheran, Baptist, Anglican, and so on. The Bible says the Church is the bride of Christ. Jesus can have but one spouse, and his spouse is the Catholic Church.

 

[Johann]

@Johann

Peter, the first Pope. What did Jesus say about him?

And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Matthew 16:18-19

For Catholics, this text is clear. All twelve apostles were present, yet Jesus promised to give to Peter alone the keys of the kingdom, symbolizing the authority of Christ—the authority of heaven—over the kingdom of heaven on earth, which is the Church. Yet millions of Protestants believe that there is a distinction in meaning in the Greek text between the two “rocks” that would eliminate Peter from consideration for being the rock.

“Thou art petros and upon this petra I will build my church.” The first rock, petros, is claimed to refer to a small, insignificant rock: Peter. The second, petra, is claimed to mean a massive boulder—that would be either Jesus or Peter’s confession of faith. The argument concludes that Jesus built his church not upon Peter, but upon either himself or Peter’s faith.

Scripture makes it unmistakably clear--it wasn’t Peter, but Christ Jesus who is the builder of the Ekklesia. It’s not a matter of either/or... would you agree?

J.

 

[DavidTree]

If we wish to locate the Church founded by Jesus, we need to locate the one that has the four chief marks or qualities of his Church. The Church we seek must be one, holy, catholic, and apostolic.

The Church Is One
So we, numerous as we are, are one body in Christ (the Messiah) and individually we are parts one of another [mutually dependent on one another].
Romans 12:5.

For we [no matter how] numerous we are, are one body, because we all partake of the one Bread [the One Whom the communion bread represents].
1 Corinthians 10:17
Through the centuries, in so many languages, cultures,
peoples, and nations, the Church has constantly confessed this one
faith, received from the one Lord, transmitted by one Baptism, and
grounded in the conviction that all people have only one God and
Father.58 St. Irenaeus of Lyons, a witness of this faith, declared:
173 “Indeed, the Church, though scattered throughout the
whole world, even to the ends of the earth, having received the
faith from the apostles and their disciples . . . guards [this preaching
and faith] with care, as dwelling in but a single house, and similarly
believes as if having but one soul and a single heart, and preaches,
teaches, and hands on this faith with a unanimous voice, as if
possessing only one mouth.”
CATECHISM of the CATHOLIC CHURCH 813-822

Jesus established only one Church, not a collection of differing churches, Lutheran, Baptist, Anglican, and so on. The Bible says the Church is the bride of Christ. Jesus can have but one spouse, and his spouse is the Catholic Church.

and his spouse is the Catholic Church

The LORD Jesus Christ never said this and therefore we can conclude from God's Word that you are in error.

Jesus established only one Church

The One Church that the LORD established is His Body = those Called by the FATHER to His SON become the Bride of Christ
The Collective Body of Blood Washed Saints, spread throughout the world including those in Heaven, are the Bride of Christ.

Apostle Paul -
Oh, that you would bear with me in a little folly—and indeed you do bear with me. For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy.
For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!
The RCC preaches a "different gospel", which is the man-made gospel of Mary worship and the Pope as the vicar of Christ and all the workings of idolatry that the RCC promotes.

The Apostle Paul instructs us to flee idolatry = 1 Corinthians 10:14

Therefore, my beloved, flee from idolatry.
I speak as to wise men; judge for yourselves what I say.
The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ?
The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
For we, though many, are one bread and one body; for we all partake of that one bread.

Observe Israel after the flesh: Are not those who eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar?
What am I saying then? That an idol is anything, or what is offered to idols is anything?
Rather, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice they sacrifice to demons and not to God, and I do not want you to have fellowship with demons.
You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of the Lord’s table and of the table of demons.
Or do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? Are we stronger than He?

 

[DavidTree]

The entire difference between Catholics and Protestants of all description is a matter of authority, including to hand the faith down,

I point out repeatedly why your opinion is an irrelevance, but the church was certainly given authority , and early fathers taught by apostles and onwards expand on it. Read them.

Without the Catholic Church you don’t have a New Testament to quote

You never answer where YOUR authority to misinterpret scripture comes from, or why it is you think Jesus is so powerless to have let his church go off the rails, till you rescue it!! He says the gospel will be preached to the end of time. So the Catholic Church was certainly preaching it! It preached the power of councils and pope, so that must be what our lord intended,

Where in the New Testament is a reference to everyone got it wrong except you?

Until you state YOUR authority ( and spare us the “ spirit told me “ becausr every endless protestant schism claims Holy Spirit told them, so that’s a non starter)
Until then you are the one perverting church doctrine.

Which chapter and verse mentions David tree? I can find peter given keys and power to bind and loose .
Ditto apostolic succession, and successor bishops having the power.

I can’t find you! Exceot told not to “ lean on your understanding “

So answer the question. Your authority, and why you think Jesus is powerless , so needed you to bring it back!

Fixed for you = The entire difference between Catholics and Blood Washed Saints of all description is a matter of authority, including to hand the faith down,

#1a - A catholic believes he/she is going to Heaven via the religious instructions given by the roman catholic church.

#1b - A Blood Washed Saint KNOWS that they are going to Heaven purely from the Sacrificial Blood of Christ.

#2a - A catholic places their trust in man-made teachings and religious observances which cannot save a soul from hell.

#2b - A Born-Again Believer places their trust in the Word of God just as the Apostle Peter did, and all the Apostles.

Apostle Peter - Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever, 1 Peter 1:23

#3a - A catholic will receive Salvation IF he/she comes to Christ thru believing the words of Christ.

#3b - Any person from any christian denomination will receive Salvation IF he/she comes to Christ thru believing the words of Christ.

“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life,
and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life." - John 5:24