John 14:

[101G]

Yikes

another: [ 1,,G243 G2087 ,allos heteros ] have a difference in meaning, which despite a tendency to be lost, is to be observed in numerous passages. Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort;" heteros expresses a qualitative difference and denotes "another of a different sort."

understand?

101G

 

[civic]

another: [ 1,,G243 G2087 ,allos heteros ] have a difference in meaning, which despite a tendency to be lost, is to be observed in numerous passages. Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort;" heteros expresses a qualitative difference and denotes "another of a different sort."

understand?

101G

Looks like I do but you do not. You have ANOTHER view

 

[101G]

Yikes

no eureka,

consolation: G3874 παράκλησις paraklesis (pa-ra'-klee-sis) n.
1. an imploration, entreaty (urgent request (for mercy or help)).
2. an exhortation (urgent counsel, encouragement, or caution).
3. a comfort, solace.
[from G3870]
KJV: comfort, consolation, exhortation, intreaty
Root(s): G3870
See also: G3875

one who give help, is a HELPER. and one who give comfort is a COMFORTER. .... YIKES!

101G

 

[101G]

Looks like I do but you do not. You have ANOTHER view

another of the same sort.... look up "SORT" please...
101G

 

[101G]

Dictionary.com Sort:: a particular kind, species, variety, class, or group, distinguished by a common character or nature.
Synonyms: nature, character, rank, order, family, class

character, quality, or nature.

SAME "NATURE". SAME "CHARACTER". LISTEN, SAME "RANK" (LORD/Lord/Father/Son), SAME ORDER, "FIRST/LAST".

case closed.

101G.

 

[101G]

John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;"

who is the first comforter to come? Luke 2:25 "And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him."

there he is, the consolation of Israel
this is just too easy.
101G

 

[civic]

Dictionary.com Sort:: a particular kind, species, variety, class, or group, distinguished by a common character or nature.
Synonyms: nature, character, rank, order, family, class

character, quality, or nature.

SAME "NATURE". SAME "CHARACTER". LISTEN, SAME "RANK" (LORD/Lord/Father/Son), SAME ORDER, "FIRST/LAST".

case closed.

101G.

Case closed is right

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◄ 243. allos ►​

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Lexical Summary allos: other, another Original Word: ἄλλος Part of Speech: Adjective Transliteration: allos Pronunciation: AL-los Phonetic Spelling: (al'-los) KJV: more, one (another), (an-, some an-)other(-s, -wise) NASB: another, others, other, more, else, one, someone else Word Origin: [a primary word]​

another (50), another man (2), another woman (2), another's (1), else (4), more (5), one (3), one another (1), one else (1), other (35), other men (1), other women (1), others (41), some (2), some another (2), someone else (3).

Liked gospel alone refutes your false claims
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Luke 5:29 Adj-GMP
GRK: τελωνῶν καὶ ἄλλων οἳ ἦσαν
NAS: of tax collectors and other [people] who
KJV: and of others that
INT: of tax collectors and others who were

Luke 6:29 Adj-AFS
GRK: καὶ τὴν ἄλλην καὶ ἀπὸ
NAS: offer him the other also;
KJV: offer also the other; and him
INT: also the other and from

Luke 7:8 Adj-DMS
GRK: πορεύεται καὶ ἄλλῳ Ἔρχου καὶ
NAS: and he goes, and to another, 'Come!'
KJV: he goeth; and to another, Come, and
INT: he goes and to another Come and

Luke 7:19 Adj-AMS
GRK: ἐρχόμενος ἢ ἄλλον προσδοκῶμεν
INT: coming [one] or another are we to look for

Luke 7:20 Adj-AMS
GRK: ἐρχόμενος ἢ ἄλλον προσδοκῶμεν
NAS: One, or do we look for someone else?'
KJV: or look we for another?
INT: coming [one] or another are we to look for

Luke 9:8 Adj-GMP
GRK: Ἠλίας ἐφάνη ἄλλων δὲ ὅτι
NAS: had appeared, and by others that one
KJV: had appeared; and of others, that one
INT: Elijah had appeared by others also that

Luke 9:19 Adj-NMP
GRK: τὸν βαπτιστήν ἄλλοι δὲ Ἠλίαν
NAS: the Baptist, and others [say] Elijah;
KJV: but some [say], Elias;
INT: the Baptist others however Elijah

Luke 9:19 Adj-NMP
GRK: δὲ Ἠλίαν ἄλλοι δὲ ὅτι
NAS: [say] Elijah; but others, that one
KJV: and others [say], that
INT: however Elijah others moreover that

Luke 20:16 Adj-DMP
GRK: τὸν ἀμπελῶνα ἄλλοις ἀκούσαντες δὲ
NAS: the vineyard to others. When
KJV: the vineyard to others. And
INT: the vineyard to others having heard [it] moreover

Luke 22:59 Adj-NMS
GRK: ὥρας μιᾶς ἄλλος τις διισχυρίζετο
NAS: had passed, another man [began] to insist,
KJV: hour after another confidently affirmed,
INT: hour one other a certain strongly affirmed

Luke 23:35 Adj-AMP
GRK: ἄρχοντες λέγοντες Ἄλλους ἔσωσεν σωσάτω
NAS: He saved others; let Him save
KJV: He saved others; let him save
INT: rulers saying Others he saved let him save

 

[civic]

Case closed end of discussion, oneness once again is proven to be false .

hope this helps !!!

 

[101G]

Case closed end of discussion, oneness once again is proven to be false .

hope this helps !!!

LOL, why not get it all? DID YOU OVER LOOKED ....... HELPS Word-studies below
◄ 243. allos ►
Lexical Summary
allos: other, another
Original Word: ἄλλος
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: allos
Pronunciation: AL-los
Phonetic Spelling: (al'-los)
KJV: more, one (another), (an-, some an-)other(-s, -wise)
NASB: another, others, other, more, else, one, someone else
Word Origin: [a primary word]

1. "else," i.e. different
{in many applications}

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
more, one another, another, otherwise.
A primary word; "else," i.e. Different (in many applications) -- more, one (another), (an-, some an-)other(-s, -wise).

HELPS Word-studies
243 állos (a primitive word) – another of the same kind; another of a similar type.

another of the same kind READ that again

OR DID YOU MISSED THE Topical Lexicon ALSO.
𝗦𝗲𝗺𝗮𝗻𝘁𝗶𝗰 𝗙𝗶𝗲𝗹𝗱 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗦𝗰𝗿𝗶𝗽𝘁𝘂𝗿𝗮𝗹 𝗗𝗶𝘀𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗰𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻
Strong’s 243 (allos) designates “another of the same kind,” in contrast to ἕτερος (heteros, Strong’s 2087) which means “another of a different kind.” This distinction is maintained consistently throughout the New Testament. Allos therefore conveys continuity rather than contrast, whether of persons, objects or ideas.

AND DID YOU MISSED ALSO 𝗣𝗻𝗲𝘂𝗺𝗮𝘁𝗼𝗹𝗼𝗴𝘆: 𝗔𝗻𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿 𝗛𝗲𝗹𝗽𝗲𝗿
John 14:16 records Jesus’ promise: “I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper to be with you forever.” The Spirit is “another” (allos) of the same kind as Jesus—personal, divine, and continuing Christ’s presence. This undergirds Trinitarian doctrine: distinct persons sharing the same essence. John 10:16 likewise speaks of “other sheep,” Gentile believers of one flock and one Shepherd, reflecting redemptive continuity.

AND DID YOU MISSED ALSO AT BIBLE HUB, The 𝗦𝘂𝗺𝗺𝗮𝗿𝘆
Allos appears in narrative, parable, theology, and prophecy to stress sameness within variety. Whether describing additional disciples, further revelations, or diverse spiritual gifts, Strong’s 243 calls believers to recognize continuity in God’s redemptive work and to preserve fidelity to the singular gospel while embracing Spirit-given diversity in service.

and again,
W.E. Vine Dictionary: ANOTHER. [ 1,,G243 G2087 ,allos heteros ] have a difference in meaning, which despite a tendency to be lost, is to be observed in numerous passages. Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort;" heteros expresses a qualitative difference and denotes "another of a different sort." Christ promised to send "another Comforter" (allos, "another like Himself," not heteros), John 14:16. Paul says "I See a different (AV, "another") law," heteros, a law different from that of the spirit of life (not allos, "a law of the same sort"), Rom 7:23. After Joseph's death "another king arose," heteros, one of quite a different character, Acts 7:18. Paul speaks of "a different gospel (heteros), which is not another" (allos, another like the one he preached), Gal 1:6-Gal 1:7. See heteros (not allos) in Matt 11:3; Acts 27:1; in Luke 23:32 heteroi is used of the two malefactors crucified with Christ. The two words are only apparently interchanged in 1Cor 1:16; 1Cor 6:1; 1Cor 12:8-10; 1Cor 14:17, 1Cor 14:19, e.g., the difference being present, though not so readily discernible.

They are not interchangeable in 1Cor 15:39-41; here heteros is used to distinguish the heavenly glory from the earthly, for these differ in genus, and allos to distinguish the flesh of men, birds, and fishes, which in each case is flesh differing not in genus but in species. Allos is used again to distinguish between the glories of the heavenly bodies, for these also differ not in kind but in degree only. For allos, See MORE, OTHER, etc. For heteros, See OTHER, STRANGE.

Note: The distinction comes out in the compounds of heteros, viz., heteroglossos, "strange tongues," 1Cor 14:21; heterodidaskaleo, "to teach a different doctrine," 1Tim 1:3; 1Tim 6:3; heterozugo, "to be unequally yoked" (i.e., with those of a different character), 2Cor 6:14.

yes, now case closed, the three person Godhead is a false doctrine.

CASE CLOSE FOR SURE..... (G243 ALLOS DESTROY ANY THREE PERSON GODHEAD).

101G.

 

[Complete]

We have a mixture of unitarian universalists/pantheists/ unitarians who in reality deny the Son, rob Him of His glory, His Uniqueness among all other religions, and pay Him lip service as a good teacher, prophet, messiah etc........ Its why Jesus and the Apostles on many occasions talked about and warned about false christs, messiahs, a false gospel, false teachers, those who appear to be sheeps but in reality are wolves. There are core/essential doctrines being denied by many that are salvific. The Person and work of Christ and the gospel cannot be compromised. Many are on the broad road the leads to destruction.

Defective Christology. Most Christian-based religions distort Christ by compromising His deity . . . . Jehovahs Witnesses teach that Jesus was a created being the archangel Michael prior to His human birth . . . . Mormons deny the virgin birth; Jehovahs Witnesses and Armstrongs Worldwide Church of God, the bodily resurrection


Defective Christology. Those who believe in an unbiblical Jesus will usually deny the true Deity of Christ, or the true humanity of Jesus. Some, such as Mormons, deny the virgin birth. They say that God the Father had sexual relations with Mary. I John 4:1-3 gives a scriptural litmus test for false teachers.

Among the most common feature of these religions is a defective view of Christ. Defective views of Christ are not new, they go back to the early days of the church. One of the apostle Paul's principal reasons for writing his letter to the Colossian Church was to combat an heretical view of Christ that was being taught there. During the second century the church had to battle against the heresy of Gnosticism, which denied the true humanity of Christ. In the fourth century the church battled against the Arian heresy which denied the true deity of Christ.

Most modern day non Christian religious systems follow in the footsteps of their predecessors. For example, the Jehovah's Witnesses are simply a modern version of the Arian heresy in the early church. Like the Arians of the fourth century, the Jehovah's Witnesses deny that the Son is co-eternal with the Father. Like the Arians, the Jehovah's Witnesses regard the Son as being created by the Father. Christian Science is another religion which has a defective view of Jesus Christ. They do not believe in the existence of matter - to them the material world is an illusion. So according to their teaching Jesus Christ did not have a real body. In this they repeat the same heresy of the Gnostics, who denied the real humanity of Christ. The Mormons also have a very defective view of Christ in that, they regard Jesus Christ the first-born among the spirit children of God. They do not believe that Jesus is the eternal Son of God. Rather they regard Him as the offspring of a mortal mother and an immortal father.


A Defective Christology

"Who is Jesus Christ?" This is the most important question a person can ever ask. Our deepest joys on earth and hope of eternal life rest upon our answer to that question. Because this is so, the primary activity of Satan must surely be to obscure as much as possible the true nature and work of the Lord Jesus Christ. Satan knows that an improper or incomplete understanding of the person and work of Christ makes salvation impossible.

Early heresies such as Cerinthianism denied the humanity of Christ (John 1:14; 1 John 1:1-3; 4:1-3). Arianism denied the deity of Christ (John 1:1, 8:58). Others denied the union of his two natures in one person. Gnosticism taught that there were many spiritual levels and mediators between earth and heaven of which Jesus was merely one (Colossians 1:16, 2:3-23). Most non Christian religious systems today follow in one of these errors. The most insidious types which insist on extra-biblical revelations and esoteric and mystical experiences of God are simply the children of the Gnostics.

The central doctrine of Christianity is Christology, the doctrine of the nature of the person of Jesus Christ as revealed in space-time history. Any teaching that compromises the humanity or deity of Christ and His uniqueness as the only God-man, destroys the efficacy of the atonement, the work of Christ on the cross, and thereby the basis of the gospel.

Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the life. No once comes to the Father but by me." (John 14:6). If Jesus was not fully God and fully human, he had no authority to say so. John 1:14 tells us that Jesus was "full of truth." In John 1:18 we are told that no one has ever seen God, but the unique Son "has made Him known." Anything after the words of Jesus Christ would be anticlimactical, a descent from the mountain top of revelation. Jesus was the only one qualified to reveal to humanity the truth about God. Jesus perfectly fulfilled that mission (John 17:6-8,14).

In the closing days of the earthly ministry of Christ, he took the Apostles aside to prepare them for His departure. The narrative in John 14:7-10 is very instructive in helping us to discern the error many cults make with regard to the sufficiency of Christ's revelation of God. To comfort His disciples Jesus reminds them that through Him, they now knew the Father and had seen Him. But Philip was not satisfied. He begs for one glimpse of the Father (John 14:8) believing this would suffice. He may have felt that they had not quite got as close as Moses who got to see the back of Almighty God. If only he could have a similar experience. But notice that Jesus was clearly distressed by Philip's request.

"Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?" (John 14:9)

Philip's search for something more, a deeper revelation of God than Jesus had given was an insult to Jesus, and received a rebuke. How could a vision of God be more thrilling than to talk with God's Son? In the words of Jesus Christ we have the full revelation of the Father's will. Everything Jesus had learned from the Father, He had made known to them, and through them to us (John 15:15, 16:12-15). To believe that the revelation of Christ in Scripture is insufficient is to hold a defective Christology.

It cannot be overstated that biblical doctrine, that is, what we understand about the way God has revealed Himself in history and supremely in Jesus Christ is of vital importance in perpetuating orthodox Christianity and withstanding heresy

hope this helps !!!

'Jesus saith unto him (Philip),
Have I been so long time with you,
and yet hast thou not known me, Philip?
he that hath seen me hath seen the Father;
and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Believest thou not that I am in the Father,
and the Father in me?
the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself:
but the Father that dwelleth in me, He doeth the works.
Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me:
or else believe me for the very works' sake.'
(Joh 14:9-11)

Hello @civic,

Looking at my entry #9, my wording was rather fanciful, and I apologize for that, but that thought expressed concerning the usage of the title, 'Son of Man', as though in the third person in every usage, is marked. The title 'Son of Man', reveals one role, the title, 'Son of God' another, The names and titles of the Lord Jesus Christ fulfil the various parts played, as in a play. again a fanciful thought, but none the less take away the roles, and what you have left is the figure behind it, Who was physically both Son of God and Son of Man by birth, so the titles cannot be taken away from the man behind it, for He is both those things, a Son, both of God the Father, and of Mary the Mother of Jesus. So, 'Son of God' and 'Son of Man'. yet each title is referred to as though outside of Himself, separate and as a role played in the achieving of a goal. 'Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.'(Heb 10:7) .

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[DavidTree]

nope, John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."

I, I, I, one person who is the Comforter, Jesus.

101G.

#2 HE-JESUS sent the #3HE-HOLY SPIRIT which came from #1HE-FATHER

1+1+1= ELOHIM

 

[101G]

#2 HE-JESUS sent the #3HE-HOLY SPIRIT which came from #1HE-FATHER

1+1+1= ELOHIM

GINOLJC, to all
#2 HE-JESUS sent the #3HE-HOLY SPIRIT? let's see who sent the Holy Spirit..... John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

now this, John 15:26 "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:"

now Dave, do the Lord Jesus LIE? or is he confused? answer no, it is only one person who sent the Holy Spirit, "JESUS". because he returned on Pentecost. LISTEN, John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."

Dave ... THINK, who came and now is "COMFORTING" us right now? answer the Holy Spirit..... now is the Holy Spirit in us? TES, 101G hope so. now since the Holy Spirit is in US, is not the Lord Jesus in us. scripture, Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" Matthew 28:20 "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." how is the Lord Jesus ... "WITH" US? let's see, Romans 8:9 "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."

Spirit of God... Spirit of Christ? is this not the same ONE Spirit, and the Spirit of God is the KINGDOM of GOD, and is not the KINGDOM of God in us? let's see, Luke 17:20 "And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:" Luke 17:21 "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."

now knowing this, who is the Kingdom of God? let's see, Romans 14:17 "For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost."

this is just too easy not to be understood.

101G.

 

[101G]

To all,
especially @DavidTree,
you said, 1+1+1=ELOHIM, let's see if this is true. John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:2 "The same was in the beginning with God." John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

here in John 1:1-3 we see the term "WITH" two times. if it's assumed, "with" indicate more that two persons ...... correct? if that assumption is true, scripture, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." here we have the LORD, (all caps) one person who is the "FIRST" is WITH the "LAST", and the LAST being a separate person from the LORD, (all caps), who is the FIRST...... correct, two separate and distinct persons, right? BASED ON THE TERM "WITH", right.

well 101G say no. and here's why. Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." here the same LORD, (all caps) who is the "FIRST" is "ALSO" the Last. and the term ALSO means, in addition; too. so the LORD, (all caps), in addition to being the "FIRST", he is also the "LAST".

so, the term "WITH" when it come to God do not always means he is two or three separate distinct persons. scripture do not LIE.


NOW, one more to prove that God is one PERSON. in John 1:3 HE, HE, who Made All things is one and the same person who is "WITH" God. just as we proved out in Isaiah above. FOR, Isaiah 44:24 confirm this clearly. Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

the term "ALONE" means, having no one else present..... my God how clear can one be. no one else present, meaning there was no one else to go through to create and make all things...... this is common sense.

101G.

 

[SteveB]

(Joh 14:6) Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
(Joh 14:7) If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
(Joh 14:8) Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
(Joh 14:9) Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
(Joh 14:10) Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
(Joh 14:11) Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

I'm thinking the following should be added to this list.

John 17:3

Joh 17:3 WEB This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.

And a more recently learned passage.... one in think is perfect for the agnostic.....

Jer 24:7 WEB I will give them a heart to know me, that I am Yahweh. They will be my people, and I will be their God; for they will return to me with their whole heart.

I state that about the agnostic, based on Huxley's statement that it's unlikely God can be known....

Apparently God makes himself knowable to us.