Is Speaking In Tongues For Today?

Ahar

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And they were all filled (diffused throughout their souls) with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other (different, foreign) languages (tongues), as the Spirit kept giving them clear and loud expression [in each tongue in appropriate words].
Acts 2:4

Th Bible tells us that the Holy Spirit was first poured out upon believers on the Day of Pentecost when the disciples were all gathered together, waiting for the gift that Jesus reminded them God the Father had promised them.

It is important to note that when the gift of the Holy Spirit was given to the assembled disciples, all 120 of them began to speak in tongues. That's the gift of speaking in tongues. That gift of speaking in tongues has never been revoked; it is still available to all believers who will receive it today. It is part of the whole range of gifts that are given us through the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

I don't think everyone has all of the gifts. But we [collectively] are Christ’s body and [individually] we are members of it, each part severally and distinct [each with his own place and function].

So God has appointed some in the church [for His own use]: first apostles (special messengers); second prophets (inspired preachers and expounders); third teachers; then wonder-workers; then those with ability to heal the sick; helpers; administrators; [speakers in] different (unknown) tongues.
Are all apostles (special messengers)? Are all prophets (inspired interpreters of the will and purposes of God)? Are all teachers? Do all have the power of performing miracles?
Do all possess extraordinary powers of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?

1 Corinthians 12:27-30

The obvious answer would be no.

Not everyone has the gift of tongues — to stand up in a congregation and speak in tongues with interpretation, which would equal a prophecy given in the church or worship service. But every believer who receives the baptism of the Holy Spirit has been given the ability to pray in tongues and to speak to God in our own individual prayer language.

Paul says in 1 Corinthians 14:13–14
13 Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful.

This sounds like a type of miraculous speech that is unknown to the speaker even as they are speaking. Otherwise, they wouldn’t need to pray for the interpretation. It’s worth noting here that even prior to Pentecostalism, A.T. Robertson held the view that tongues in 1 Cor 14 were “not foreign languages, but a mode of utterance different from all human language.”

Pentecostals affirm what is often called a “private prayer language.” This type of prayer is a miracle of speaking (glossolalia) without a miracle of hearing (akouolalia). Still, it is reserved for communication between an individual and God because no one else will understand it.

This is why Paul says, “Those who speak in a tongue build up themselves” 1 Corinthians 14:4
 
Not everyone has the gift of tongues — to stand up in a congregation and speak in tongues
True. I've "spokrn in tongues" since 1973, but have NEVER been burdned to speak a MESSAGE IN TONGUES in a congregational meeting. And nobody "HAS GIFTS" (in the sense of "ownership". The Holy Spirit empowers individuals to minister in a miraculous fashion As HE PLEASES, and WITH HIS TIMING.

What Gift I have been burdened with is "Interpretation of tongues". Also immediately after "speaking in tongues" I was propelled into an intense period of Bible teaching in small groups, and in adult Sunday School during the '70s and early '80s, which is more what the "gifts of the Spirit" are all about - power in Ministry.

But in practical terms, it would be just as easy for you or me to raise the dead, should God decide to burden us with that ministry.
 
True. I've "spokrn in tongues" since 1973, but have NEVER been burdned to speak a MESSAGE IN TONGUES in a congregational meeting. And nobody "HAS GIFTS" (in the sense of "ownership". The Holy Spirit empowers individuals to minister in a miraculous fashion As HE PLEASES, and WITH HIS TIMING.

What Gift I have been burdened with is "Interpretation of tongues". Also immediately after "speaking in tongues" I was propelled into an intense period of Bible teaching in small groups, and in adult Sunday School during the '70s and early '80s, which is more what the "gifts of the Spirit" are all about - power in Ministry.

But in practical terms, it would be just as easy for you or me to raise the dead, should God decide to burden us with that ministry.
I totally agree with the way you look at it Bob. Thanks for your Insight.
 
I go back to '83 When I received my Prayer language.

“Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him.”
By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. …
John 7:38,39 NIV

In this passage Jesus was speaking of the Holy Spirit, Who had not yet been poured out upon believers. When He spoke of the “streams of living water” that would flow from anyone who believed in Him, I believe He was referring to the spiritual language that should be flowing from each of us who have received the fullness of the Holy Spirit.

Some people say that speaking in tongues is for some believers but not for all. Although it is true that not all believers speak or pray in tongues, I believe all of them could, if they would. As we have seen, all of the believers present in the Upper Room spoke in tongues on the Day of Pentecost, and I believe all believers today can and should do the same.

Why don’t all believers speak in tongues today as they did at Pentecost? I don’t believe it is because they can’t; I believe they are afraid to because they have been taught not to or they think tongues may be nothing but emotion.

While it is true that some believers are baptized in the Holy Spirit and do not speak in tongues, I don’t believe that is God’s best for them. If God has poured out His Holy Spirit upon you, And if you so desire you too can receive all the spiritual gifts and abilities He wants to impart to you. God has made them available to you, so you should want to receive them in their fullness.
 
Tongues was originally given to preach the Gospel to those who have a different language.
Yup - that's what the EARLY Assemblies of God Denomination believed - until they sent missionaries out, believing that they'd be able to "Preach the Gospel" without learning the language of the people.

They immediately got their heinies handed to them, and had to retreat - and attend Language School.
 

Purpose of speaking in tongues​

Based on my search results, there are several purposes attributed to speaking in tongues:
  1. Edification of the individual believer: Speaking in tongues is a means of personal devotion and communication with God, allowing believers to express themselves directly to God in a language unknown to humans (1 Corinthians 14:2). This purpose is focused on the individual’s spiritual growth and intimacy with God.
  2. Combatting racial and cultural prejudices: In the book of Acts, speaking in tongues is depicted as promoting Christian unity among diverse people groups, breaking down barriers of language and culture (Acts 2:4-11). This purpose highlights the role of speaking in tongues in fostering unity and diversity within the early Christian church.
  3. Prayer and devotion: Speaking in tongues is an essential part of a believer’s devotional prayer life, enabling them to pray out the plan of God for their life by the power of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 14:2, 1 Corinthians 14:18). This purpose emphasizes the role of speaking in tongues as a means of deepening one’s relationship with God through prayer.
  4. Evidence of the baptism of the Holy Spirit: Speaking in tongues is often seen as an initial evidence or sign of the baptism of the Holy Spirit, indicating that a person has been filled with the Spirit (Acts 2:4, 1 Corinthians 12:4-11). This purpose highlights the connection between speaking in tongues and the experience of being filled with the Holy Spirit.
These purposes are not mutually exclusive, and speaking in tongues may serve multiple purposes for different individuals or in different contexts. However, they provide a comprehensive understanding of the various roles and functions attributed to this spiritual gift.

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Paul says that prophecy and tongues are important.

1 Corinthians 14:1
1 Pursue love, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy.

1 Corinthians 14:5
5 Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up.

1 Corinthians 14:39
39 So, my brothers, earnestly desire to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues.
 
We got to define what tongues are. Pagan religions have 'ecstatic utterances'.. bought on my euphoric emotional states. In Acts 2, they are known languages to the hearers. They are not unintelligible. You can see the list of languages in Acts 2 they heard. They also had a very particular purpose for the establishment of the early christian churches. The tongues showed they had the authority from God to proclaim the gospel.

In Corinthians-- this was a port city with the affect of many different peoples coming in and out of the city. So they had a strong affect of paganism with worship of multiple gods and also hedonistic practices. So Paul was rebuking on their practice of the sign gifts, because they were combining past pagan practices with it.

Everyone speaking at once in tongues in a church-- is not orderly conduct in the Spirit. Having no interpreter-- same goes. It has no edification for others. Paul has guidelines there to practice by.

When Paul was speaking about the tongues of angels.. the context is of hypotheticals. It was exaggeration. Also angels language in other parts of the bible is not a mystery like this. It's not a 'private prayer language'.

You gotta look at these things in their right context. I believe the sign gifts were foundational for the establishment of the early churches and are now complete.. done their job. Purpose fulfilled. Paul does say to the Corinthians to pursue after them, but also points to them ceasing in the future beyond the time of the Corinthians. I believe that is the death of the apostles, destruction of the Jewish temple and finished inspiration of the bible.

I've also seen very very few churches actually go by the guidelines set out by Paul for the practice of sign gifts. Most imitate the same problems the Corinthians had with gibberish tongues.

So- - even though something in scripture is said to be pursued.. you gotta look to see if there is anything limiting it from that point. For eg.. God promising to no longer flood the world again.. the practice of foot washing as a custom no longer practiced by all. the OT system of service being supplanted by the NT system of service etc..
 
And they were all filled (diffused throughout their souls) with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other (different, foreign) languages (tongues), as the Spirit kept giving them clear and loud expression [in each tongue in appropriate words].
Acts 2:4

Th Bible tells us that the Holy Spirit was first poured out upon believers on the Day of Pentecost when the disciples were all gathered together, waiting for the gift that Jesus reminded them God the Father had promised them.

It is important to note that when the gift of the Holy Spirit was given to the assembled disciples, all 120 of them began to speak in tongues. That's the gift of speaking in tongues. That gift of speaking in tongues has never been revoked; it is still available to all believers who will receive it today. It is part of the whole range of gifts that are given us through the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

I don't think everyone has all of the gifts. But we [collectively] are Christ’s body and [individually] we are members of it, each part severally and distinct [each with his own place and function].

So God has appointed some in the church [for His own use]: first apostles (special messengers); second prophets (inspired preachers and expounders); third teachers; then wonder-workers; then those with ability to heal the sick; helpers; administrators; [speakers in] different (unknown) tongues.
Are all apostles (special messengers)? Are all prophets (inspired interpreters of the will and purposes of God)? Are all teachers? Do all have the power of performing miracles?
Do all possess extraordinary powers of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?

1 Corinthians 12:27-30

The obvious answer would be no.

Not everyone has the gift of tongues — to stand up in a congregation and speak in tongues with interpretation, which would equal a prophecy given in the church or worship service. But every believer who receives the baptism of the Holy Spirit has been given the ability to pray in tongues and to speak to God in our own individual prayer language.

Paul says in 1 Corinthians 14:13–14
13 Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful.

This sounds like a type of miraculous speech that is unknown to the speaker even as they are speaking. Otherwise, they wouldn’t need to pray for the interpretation. It’s worth noting here that even prior to Pentecostalism, A.T. Robertson held the view that tongues in 1 Cor 14 were “not foreign languages, but a mode of utterance different from all human language.”

Pentecostals affirm what is often called a “private prayer language.” This type of prayer is a miracle of speaking (glossolalia) without a miracle of hearing (akouolalia). Still, it is reserved for communication between an individual and God because no one else will understand it.

This is why Paul says, “Those who speak in a tongue build up themselves” 1 Corinthians 14:4
120 did not speak in tongues. Only the eleven disciples in the upper room spoke in tongues.
 
We got to define what tongues are. Pagan religions have 'ecstatic utterances'.. bought on my euphoric emotional states. In Acts 2, they are known languages to the hearers. They are not unintelligible. You can see the list of languages in Acts 2 they heard. They also had a very particular purpose for the establishment of the early christian churches. The tongues showed they had the authority from God to proclaim the gospel.

In Corinthians-- this was a port city with the affect of many different peoples coming in and out of the city. So they had a strong affect of paganism with worship of multiple gods and also hedonistic practices. So Paul was rebuking on their practice of the sign gifts, because they were combining past pagan practices with it.

Everyone speaking at once in tongues in a church-- is not orderly conduct in the Spirit. Having no interpreter-- same goes. It has no edification for others. Paul has guidelines there to practice by.

When Paul was speaking about the tongues of angels.. the context is of hypotheticals. It was exaggeration. Also angels language in other parts of the bible is not a mystery like this. It's not a 'private prayer language'.

You gotta look at these things in their right context. I believe the sign gifts were foundational for the establishment of the early churches and are now complete.. done their job. Purpose fulfilled. Paul does say to the Corinthians to pursue after them, but also points to them ceasing in the future beyond the time of the Corinthians. I believe that is the death of the apostles, destruction of the Jewish temple and finished inspiration of the bible.

I've also seen very very few churches actually go by the guidelines set out by Paul for the practice of sign gifts. Most imitate the same problems the Corinthians had with gibberish tongues.

So- - even though something in scripture is said to be pursued.. you gotta look to see if there is anything limiting it from that point. For eg.. God promising to no longer flood the world again.. the practice of foot washing as a custom no longer practiced by all. the OT system of service being supplanted by the NT system of service etc..

You added your unbelief to the Word of God.

Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.
Proverbs 30:5-6
 
We got to define what tongues are. Pagan religions have 'ecstatic utterances'.. bought on my euphoric emotional states. In Acts 2, they are known languages to the hearers. They are not unintelligible. You can see the list of languages in Acts 2 they heard. They also had a very particular purpose for the establishment of the early christian churches. The tongues showed they had the authority from God to proclaim the gospel.

In Corinthians-- this was a port city with the affect of many different peoples coming in and out of the city. So they had a strong affect of paganism with worship of multiple gods and also hedonistic practices. So Paul was rebuking on their practice of the sign gifts, because they were combining past pagan practices with it.

Everyone speaking at once in tongues in a church-- is not orderly conduct in the Spirit. Having no interpreter-- same goes. It has no edification for others. Paul has guidelines there to practice by.

When Paul was speaking about the tongues of angels.. the context is of hypotheticals. It was exaggeration. Also angels language in other parts of the bible is not a mystery like this. It's not a 'private prayer language'.

You gotta look at these things in their right context. I believe the sign gifts were foundational for the establishment of the early churches and are now complete.. done their job. Purpose fulfilled. Paul does say to the Corinthians to pursue after them, but also points to them ceasing in the future beyond the time of the Corinthians. I believe that is the death of the apostles, destruction of the Jewish temple and finished inspiration of the bible.

I've also seen very very few churches actually go by the guidelines set out by Paul for the practice of sign gifts. Most imitate the same problems the Corinthians had with gibberish tongues.

So- - even though something in scripture is said to be pursued.. you gotta look to see if there is anything limiting it from that point. For eg.. God promising to no longer flood the world again.. the practice of foot washing as a custom no longer practiced by all. the OT system of service being supplanted by the NT system of service etc..
So- - even though something in scripture is said to be pursued.. you gotta look to see if there is anything limiting it from that point. For eg.. God promising to no longer flood the world again..

The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is only for those who BELIEVE in the Word of God.

GOD has promised us that the Baptism in the Holy Spirit, along with the GIFTS, will be poured out from Heaven as the Holy Spirit ministers them, beginning from Pentecost and continuing till the Second Coming of MESSIAH.

Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.
Proverbs 30:5-6
 
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The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is only for those who BELIEVE in the Word of God.

GOD has promised us that the Baptism in the Holy Spirit, along with the GIFTS, will be poured out from Heaven as the Holy Spirit ministers them, beginning from Pentecost and continuing till the Second Coming of MESSIAH.

Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.
Proverbs 30:5-6

Around baptism of the Holy Spirit there are key questions.

1.. in the Bible.. who received this baptism?

2... was it an entire group receiving it..or individuals alone?


3... were they already converted or not?

4.. what is the time and place setting?
 
Around baptism of the Holy Spirit there are key questions.
"Baptism in the Holy SPirit" is the "Pentecostal euphemism" for the coming of the Holy Spirit UPON people in the Old testament, or the Acts 2:4 phenomenon in the NEW Testament. Biblically it's (in Jesus' words) the enduement of POWER from above.
1.. in the Bible.. who received this baptism?
It actually has been present since the beginning - Samson, Isaiah, Moses, David, etc. In the OLD testament it was individually given, in Acts 2:4 all the Christians present were effected by it.
2... was it an entire group receiving it..or individuals alone?
Acts 2:4 was a group, Samson, or David were individuals.
3... were they already converted or not?
in the NEW testament, they'd been "Converted " (Born again of the Holy Spirit) back in John 20:22 - the evening of the Ressurection. NOBODY in the Old Testament was "Converted" in the NEW TESTAMENT sense, since Jesus was still far in the future.
4.. what is the time and place setting?
Various READ THE BIBLE!!!!
 
"Baptism in the Holy SPirit" is the "Pentecostal euphemism" for the coming of the Holy Spirit UPON people in the Old testament, or the Acts 2:4 phenomenon in the NEW Testament. Biblically it's (in Jesus' words) the enduement of POWER from above.

It actually has been present since the beginning - Samson, Isaiah, Moses, David, etc. In the OLD testament it was individually given, in Acts 2:4 all the Christians present were effected by it.

Acts 2:4 was a group, Samson, or David were individuals.

in the NEW testament, they'd been "Converted " (Born again of the Holy Spirit) back in John 20:22 - the evening of the Ressurection. NOBODY in the Old Testament was "Converted" in the NEW TESTAMENT sense, since Jesus was still far in the future.

Various READ THE BIBLE!!!!

The thing here is many equate this baptism with salvation. But there are many instances in scripture where this is not the case.

Prime example is the disciples gathered in the upper room who were baptised 'by the Holy Spirit and fire '

They would have been converted before this.
 
The thing here is many equate this baptism with salvation. But there are many instances in scripture where this is not the case.
Not that many - the "United Pentecostals" ("Oneness" -UPCI) are the primary spreaders of that error.
Prime example is the disciples gathered in the upper room who were baptised 'by the Holy Spirit and fire '

They would have been converted before this.
And SInce the INDWELLING HOLY SPIRIT was ministered at John 20:22, they all were.
 
Around baptism of the Holy Spirit there are key questions.

1.. in the Bible.. who received this baptism?

2... was it an entire group receiving it..or individuals alone?


3... were they already converted or not?

4.. what is the time and place setting?
EXCELLENT

Let's turn to our FATHER"S WORD for the Truth.

1.. in the Bible.. who received this baptism?

GOD says: Acts 2:39
“Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”

Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?”

Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.

2... was it an entire group receiving it..or individuals alone?
For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.

3... were they already converted or not?
For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.

4.. what is the time and place setting?
Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, 7again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”

For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.
 
EXCELLENT

Let's turn to our FATHER"S WORD for the Truth.



GOD says: Acts 2:39
“Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”

Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?”

Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.


For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.


For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.


Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, 7again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”

For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.

Acts 2:39 is water baptism by immersion.. not the 'baptism of (or 'in') the Holy Spirit.

This is water baptism for the fact of already been converted. Like taking a pill 'for' the cold. You already have the cold.. so you take the pill.

Water baptism.. you are already converted.. so you get baptised by immersion in water in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Also-- the receiving of the Holy Spirit here-- is most likely as a whole group.. after conversion.. being empowered as a new church.
 
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