brightfame52
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You call them calvinist, others who understand faith /believing is work
Is believing/faith a work ?
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civic
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no one but calvinists say such a thing. its particular to their beliefs, no one else in Christianity.
brightfame52
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Yeah Faith to believe on Christ is a Gift from God Phil 1:29
29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
brightfame52
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You entitled to your opinion
dwight92070
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"For by (God's) grace you have been saved through (your) faith; and that (salvation) (is) not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of (your) works, so that no one may boast." Ephesians 2:8-9
Our faith is not a work, it is believing Jesus. Yes it is something we "do" in our heart, but the Bible does not classify believing as a work. The natural result of believing in Jesus is doing good works, but the believing is not considered a work in the Bible.
"This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent." John 6:29 Jesus is obviously saying that the "work" that pleases God is not really a work at all, it is exercising our faith in Jesus.
If faith or believing is a good work, then Paul was mistaken in Ephesians 2:9.
Hatred is not a bad deed or bad work of the flesh until we act on it. All works start in the heart, but they are not actually good or bad works, until you act on them. Lusting after a woman is a sin, which we must repent of, but it is not actually a bad work until we act on it.
The implied meaning of Galatians 5:19-21 is that all of those on the list have been acted on. That is to say, they have gone beyond a thought or emotion, and they have produced a bad work.
civic
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atpollard
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You have advanced from debate to ad hominem attacks on fellow Christians.
Time for me to take a break from “Christian hate” before I respond in kind.
civic
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ok I'll delete my comment.
but what do you say to those in your camp that say belief is a work if you believed the gospel ?
do you believe every non calvinist who believed the gospel and are saved that their faith was a work ?
brightfame52
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Okay. But if you are saved through your faith it is a reason to boast. The faith in Eph 2:8 is not of ourselves, it's of Grace
brightfame52
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Their Believing in Christ was given to them.
civic
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no sinner ever had faith given to them.
brightfame52
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Yes it has, those in Phil 1:29 were sinners, born sinners. Paul was a sinner that had Faith given him, all sinners Christ died for are given faith
FreeInChrist
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Now wait a minute.... Are you saying you do not have faith? That you do not believe?
Just look how much work you have put into trying to convince us that faith =work and now you admit
"others who understand faith /believing is work" SMH
brightfame52
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What are you talking about
civic
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nope they were sinners but are now saints who have been redeemed.
FreeInChrist
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You said
brightfame52 said:
Are you a Calvenist or simple a predestined believer? You say "You call them calvinist, others who understand faith /believing is work" Between the two there is scant difference.
Are you not saying that people who are other then Calvenist also are those who understand faith /believing is work"
That would include you who understands this work....
FreeInChrist
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You are directing this to me as I am at the top of your list here.
Someone, please delete my post here also as I thought I was making an observation but seem to have inadvertently ruffled some feathers..... I apologize.
brightfame52
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Well yeah
brightfame52
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I'm a believer in Christ
atpollard
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This one is easy ...
- Yes, they are saved (as much as anyone who receives God's grace is saved ... I have no special ability to tell wheat from tares and tares likely come in both "Calvinist" and "Arminian" beliefs).
- No, "faith" is not a "work" as scripture warns against.
"No verse actually says that. Post it and prove me wrong." (Sola Scriptura)
To YOU I offer:
"Faith IS a gift from God (scripture available upon request) ... but not a work (typically of the Law in scripture)."
However, salvation is built on a foundation of GRACE (unmerited favor) and MERCY (the choice of God) rather than "our faith" ... "Faith" is just the MEANS that God uses to achieve His ends (like hearing the gospel or confessing our sins).
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