brightfame52
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Jesus saves His people from their sins my friend Matt 1:21
21 ;And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Is believing/faith a work ?
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21 ;And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
The His people are libertarian Old Testament style believers and people who haven’t libertarianly fully repudiated God yet.
He came for all but some have already made their decision.
brightfame52
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Jesus saves His people from their sins my friend Matt 1:21
21 ;And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
his people from their sins.
Libertarianly foreknown.
We embody what we believe to be true about God through our works, such as with James 2:18 saying that he would show his faith through his works, so everyone who is a doer of the same works as James believes in Jesus. In other word, the way to believe in God is by embodying His likeness through being a doer of His character traits, For example, by being a doer of good works in obedience to God's law, we are embodying God's goodness, which is why our good works bring glory to Him (Matthew 5:16), and by embodying God's goodness we are also expressing the belief that God is good. Likewise, the way to believe that God is just is by embodying in His likeness through being a doer of justice, the way to believe that God is compassionate is by being compassionate, the way to believe that God is holy is by being a doer of His instructions for how to be holy as He is holy, and so forth. This is exactly the same as the way to believe in the Son, who is the radiance of God's glory and the exact likeness of His character (Hebrew 1:3), which he embodied through his works by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to God's law. This is also why the Bible frequently connects our belief in God with out obedience to Him, such as with Revelation 14:12 where those who kept faith in Jesus are the same as those who kept God's commandments.
In Ephesians 2:8-10, we are new creations in Christ to do good works, so while Paul denied that we can earn our salvation as the result of our works lest anyone should boast, God graciously making us into a doer of good works in obedience to His law is nevertheless still a central part of His gift of salvation.
civic
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Well said
brightfame52
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Rabbit trail
How so?
brightfame52
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How not do?
You are the one who made the accusation. I spoke on topic in regard to the relationship between works and faith.
civic
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Yes and you good post was ignored
brightfame52
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I made the statement based on what I have written
Jay
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For those of us with an aversion to Greek words, I have substituted Strong's numbers; e.g., when the word "work" is referenced and in Greek it is ἔργον (ergon) the number will be G2041. This Greek word will be known thereafter as "work G2041". But "work" is not always identified as G2041.
List of Greek words and their numerical designations used herein:
List of Greek words and their numerical designations used herein:
worker G2040
work G2041 (noun)
work G2038 (verb)
works G2039
work out G2716 (verb)
do G4160
do G4238
The real meaning of words in the Bible is very important: 2 Timothy 1:13 "Hold fast the pattern of sound G5198 words which you have heard from me, in faith and love which are in Christ Jesus." -NKJV
The English word "work"** is translated from these identified Greek words:
[1] # G2041 ἔργον (e.g., Romans 2:6,7,15; 3:20,27; 4:6; 9:11, 32; 11:6; 13:3,12; 14:20; 15:18);
[2] # G2038 ἐργάζομαι (e.g., Romans 2:10; 4:4, 5; 13:10) which is derived from #1 G2041 ";
[3] # G2716 κατεργάζομαι (e.g., Romans 1:27; 2:9; 4:15; 5:3; 7:8,13,15,17,18,20; 15:18) derived from #2, from #2 which is derived from #1. ;
[4] # G2040 ἐργάτης (this word, “workers”, is not in Romans but is in other passages, e.g., Philippians 3:2) and is derived from #1 G2041. ";
[5] # G2039 ἐργάτης (also is not in Romans but in other passages, e.g., Ephesians 4:19) derived from #4 which is derived from #1".
**** It is readily seen that these words are all derivatives from the same one word, namely, G2041. In other words, the Bible translates "work" mainly from derivatives of the same word.
The differences is chiefly a matter of part of speech. G2041 is a noun (a name of something). G2038 is a "middle voice" verb (action word) of the noun G 2040 ἐργάτης (also a noun) which is in turn based on the noun G2041.
Spirit Filled Study Bible
The English word "work"** is translated from these identified Greek words:
[1] # G2041 ἔργον (e.g., Romans 2:6,7,15; 3:20,27; 4:6; 9:11, 32; 11:6; 13:3,12; 14:20; 15:18);
[2] # G2038 ἐργάζομαι (e.g., Romans 2:10; 4:4, 5; 13:10) which is derived from #1 G2041 ";
[3] # G2716 κατεργάζομαι (e.g., Romans 1:27; 2:9; 4:15; 5:3; 7:8,13,15,17,18,20; 15:18) derived from #2, from #2 which is derived from #1. ;
[4] # G2040 ἐργάτης (this word, “workers”, is not in Romans but is in other passages, e.g., Philippians 3:2) and is derived from #1 G2041. ";
[5] # G2039 ἐργάτης (also is not in Romans but in other passages, e.g., Ephesians 4:19) derived from #4 which is derived from #1".
**** It is readily seen that these words are all derivatives from the same one word, namely, G2041. In other words, the Bible translates "work" mainly from derivatives of the same word.
The differences is chiefly a matter of part of speech. G2041 is a noun (a name of something). G2038 is a "middle voice" verb (action word) of the noun G 2040 ἐργάτης (also a noun) which is in turn based on the noun G2041.
Spirit Filled Study Bible
So then you are dodging the issue.
civic
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Yep
brightfame52
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IHow can I dodge my own statements ? Duh
You are avoiding what I said.
brightfame52
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Did I not comment about what you said?
Aeliana
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Salvation is a gift from God, emphasizing that it is not earned through works. For instance, Ephesians 2:8-9 states, "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God".
But if you must work, You can join the Salvation Army; they will put you to work.
The Salvation Army is an inspiring place to work. With offices in every major US city and 134 countries around the globe, it’s a place where people can invest in people on every level. From food to shelter and almost everything in between, we are committed to being an efficient and effective network of local offices that make up a huge global team. In other words, we’re committed to being big and small at the same time. That makes us a seriously great place to work.
www.salvationarmyusa.org
But if you must work, You can join the Salvation Army; they will put you to work.
The Salvation Army is an inspiring place to work. With offices in every major US city and 134 countries around the globe, it’s a place where people can invest in people on every level. From food to shelter and almost everything in between, we are committed to being an efficient and effective network of local offices that make up a huge global team. In other words, we’re committed to being big and small at the same time. That makes us a seriously great place to work.
About The Salvation Army
Learn about The Salvation Army's mission to serve 27M+ people in the U.S. and 134 countries worldwide.
www.salvationarmyusa.org
If you really cared about not going off on rabbit trails, then you could interact with what I said in regard to the topic instead of playing games.
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