brightfame52
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After your work !
Is believing/faith a work ?
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civic
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nope faith is never a work,
if you think faith is a work then you cannot be saved.
next fallacy
brightfame52
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Its never called a requirement
civic
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its mans responsibility to be saved- thats exactly what Jesus taught.
YOUR FAITH has saved you. He said this well over a dozen times to those that He saved because of THEIR FAITH, not the faith He gave them.
next fallacy
Jesus said it was THEIR faith that saved them.
God requires belief/ faith. Always has in the OT as He does in the NT. Hebrews 11 makes it clear. Believing is mans responsibility to Gods drawing , conviction of the Holy Spirit. God does not believe for us. Jesus numerous times taught this truth.
Here is how some would rewrite Jesus words below and add to scripture things that were never said nor implied.
Parenthesis is Calvinism false assertion below that God gives faith. Jesus said it was THEIR faith that saved them.
Luke 7:50
And he said to the woman, Thy faith ( I have given you )hath saved thee; go in peace.
Luke 8:48
"Daughter," said Jesus, "your faith ( I have given you )has healed you. Go in peace."
Luke 17:19
Then Jesus said to him, "Rise and go; your faith( I have given you ) has made you well!"
Luke 18:42
"Receive your sight!" Jesus replied. "Your faith( I have give you ) has healed you."
Matthew 8:10
When Jesus heard this, He marveled and said to those following Him, "Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith.
Matthew 8:13
Then Jesus said to the centurion, "Go! As you have believed, so will it be done for you." And his servant was healed at that very hour.
Matthew 9:2
Just then some men brought to Him a paralytic lying on a mat. When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, "Take courage, son; your sins are forgiven.
Matthew 9:22
Jesus turned and saw her. "Take courage, daughter," He said, "your faith has healed you." And the woman was cured from that very hour.
Matthew 9:29
Then He touched their eyes and said, "According to your faith will it be done to you."
Matthew 15:28
"O woman," Jesus answered, "your faith is great! Let it be done for you as you desire." And her daughter was healed from that very hour.
Mark 5:34
"Daughter," said Jesus, "your faith has healed you. Go in peace and be free of your affliction."
Mark 10:52
"Go," said Jesus, "your faith has healed you." And immediately he received his sight and followed Jesus along the road.
John 4:53
So the father knew that it was at the same hour, in the which Jesus said unto him, Thy son liveth: and himself believed, and his whole house.
FreeInChrist
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Romans 4:5
“To the one who does not work but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness.”
Paul explicitly contrasts believing with working. If believing were a work, this verse would be self-contradictory.
A choice is not a work.
A work earns; faith receives.
Scripture never defines faith as meritorious action, but as trust (Rom 4:5), receiving (John 1:12), and resting (Heb 4:10). Works produce wages (Rom 4:4); faith receives a gift (Eph 2:8).
If choosing to believe were a work, then:
salvation would be earned, grace would no longer be grace (Rom 11:6), and Paul’s argument in Romans 4 would collapse.
Now @brightfame52, write this down before you forget it.
Faith does not save because it does something ..... it saves because it trusts Someone.
civic
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ditto
brightfame52
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Thats works, and it was Christs responsibility to save
civic
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nope its what Jesus and the Apostles taught and required. Faith was also required in the O.T.
open up your bible to Hebrews 11 and read about it sometime.
hope this helps !!!
brightfame52
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Doesn't say believing isnt a work, believing is a work, its an work that evidence one has been Justified. See believe in this scripture isnt a requirement, a condition, but an act of evidence. But since you without warrant make it a required condition to do to get saved, you promote salvation by works.
brightfame52
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Faith has never, ever been taught as an requirement for salvation.
FreeInChrist
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SMH... Faith is a requirement for being saved, but it is not a work.
I feel like a broken record...... Once againFaith is a required response to God's grace, not a meritorious act that earns salvation.
@brightfame52 Can you understand the meaning of this??????/
Lets try some scripture.....
Ephesians 2:8–9 “By grace you have been saved through faith… not of works.” (WE all have this one memorized)What this means is..... Through = the means, not the cause.
Romans 4:5 “To the one who does not work, but believes… his faith is credited as righteousness.”
Scripture explicitly contrasts faith with works.
You are told right here that without works your belief/faith is credited as righteousness
John 3:16 tells us Salvation is offered, but only to whoever believes.
Hebrews 11:6 tells us Faith pleases God, but pleasing God does not earn justification. That it is Not by pleasing God, but by God graciously crediting righteousness through faith.
Faith does not earn justification (no merit, no wage).
Through faith, God grants / credits / imputes righteousness.
Think of it as
“The righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe.” ...Romans 3:22
“Faith is credited as righteousness.” ...Romans 4:5
Another reason why " through faith matters.
“Through” (διά, dia) means the channel or means, not the cause.
Grace is the source, Christ’s work is the basis, and faith is the instrument.
Think of it this way
Grace is the sourceChrist is the basis
Faith is the means
Justification is the result
Now, Do you understand Why “through faith” matters ?
“Through” (διά, dia) means the channel or means, not the cause.
Grace is the source, Christ’s work is the basis, and faith is the instrument.
I can say it this way if it helps...
Faith doesn’t pay for righteousness; it receives it.Knowing that
Requirement is not workA requirement is a condition to receive, not an action that earns
Opening your hand to receive a gift is not “working for” the gift
Refusing to open your hand doesn’t make the gift ungracious
Faith is required to receive salvation, but it is not a work—Scripture explicitly contrasts faith with works and defines it as trusting, not earning (Rom 4:5; Eph 2:8–9).
civic
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Maybe you should argue with God. He's the one according to you that unconditionally unilaterally actuated people saying faith is a requirement.
civic
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Yes his argument is not with us but the rejection of what God has declared to be true in His word.
FreeInChrist
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Where/
When I was about 12 i attended classes that were required to join the Presbyterian Church. In doing so,
at the end all the kids in the class had to voice their faith and belief in Jesus from being born of a virgin to His shedding His blood for us on the cross and resurrection.
and the reason this was done was until we would profess our faith and beliefs as "we were taught" no one would be allowed to ever partake of Hily Communion...Which at that time in my church seemed more important then baptism.
So do not say it was never taught for salvation because it was taught to me.
Here is a well known name that taught it.
Yes, Billy Graham taught that faith in Jesus Christ is essential for salvation, emphasizing that it is not based on works but on a personal belief in Him. He believed that eternal life is granted through faith alone, apart from any commitments or good deeds.
Just because you were not taught that does not make it not so.
brightfame52
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False, Faith is by grace. Rom 4:16
16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
The believer believes because of Grace Acts 18:27
27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through[because of] grace:
So that statement of yours is absolutely false
brightfame52
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Even faith is considered a work, part of the law, and a commandment (John 6:28-29; Matt 23:23; I John 3:23)
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