Is believing/faith a work ?

[brightfame52]

And according to you these meritorious Arminian acts of faith were predeterminately unilaterally actuated by God lest any man should boast.

Again,If we believe and teach that a sinner is justified before God by their own action of faith/believing, then we by default are teaching justification by one's meritorious act, whether its admitted or not.

 

[FreeInChrist]

So is your trust, something done by a person in their mind and heart, a requirement of God b4 Jesus will save a person ? Yes or No

YES

 

[Kampioen]

Again,If we believe and teach that a sinner is justified before God by their own action of faith/believing, then we by default are teaching justification by one's meritorious act, whether its admitted or not.

According to you the meritorious thought and act of faith and thought to be saved was predeterminately unilaterally actuated by God lest any man should boast. Who are they to complain, "why have you made me thus?"

 

[brightfame52]

YES

Okay then thats works, trusting is a work as is believing.

 

[brightfame52]

According to you the meritorious thought and act of faith and thought to be saved was predeterminately unilaterally actuated by God lest any man should boast. Who are they to complain, "why have you made me thus?"

Again,If we believe and teach that a sinner is justified before God by their own action of faith/believing, then we by default are teaching justification by one's meritorious act, whether its admitted or not.

 

[Kampioen]

Again,If we believe and teach that a sinner is justified before God by their own action of faith/believing, then we by default are teaching justification by one's meritorious act, whether its admitted or not.

All actions of faith/believing are works of sorts. But you say Arminian faith and belief of salvation are predeterminate unilateral Acts of God, not of man lest any man should boast and who are we to argue with God. Correct?

 

[brightfame52]

All actions of faith/believing are works of sorts.

Thats right

 

[FreeInChrist]

Okay then thats works, trusting is a work as is believing.

Scripture explicitly says faith is required:

Hebrews 11:6 — “Without faith it is impossible to please Him”
John 3:18 — “He who believes… he who does not believe…”
Mark 16:16 — “He who believes and is baptized shall be saved”
Romans 3:28 — “Justified by faith”

So it would be unbiblical to say faith is not required.

God requires trust, but trust does not save ....grace saves, and faith is the condition God graciously responds to.

Believing is not a work that earns salvation; it is the absence of self-reliance. Scripture consistently contrasts faith with works, not includes it among them (Romans 4:5).

Yes. God requires trust, but that trust is a free response, not a meritorious act. Jesus saves by grace; faith is simply the human willingness not to resist God’s saving work.
A requirement is not coercion

God requires faith, but He does not force it.
A forced response would not be trust.

Faith is not a work

Scripture explicitly contrasts faith with works (Romans 4:5).
Trust contributes nothing; it receives what God gives.

Grace initiates; free will responds

God offers salvation to all (1 Tim 2:4; 2 Pet 3:9).
Humans freely accept or reject that offer (Acts 13:46).
God requires trust, but trust is a free, non-meritorious response to grace, not a work that causes salvation.

 

[Kampioen]

All actions of faith/believing are works of sorts.
But you say Arminian faith and belief of salvation are predeterminate unilateral Acts of God, not of man lest any man should boast and who are we to argue with God. Correct?

Thats right

But if they are Acts of God, why do you urge Arminians to overturn Acts of God?

 

[brightfame52]

Scripture explicitly says faith is required:

No it doesnt. Required for what

 

[brightfame52]

But if they are Acts of God, why do you urge Arminians to overturn Acts of God?

When ?

 

[FreeInChrist]

No it doesnt. Required for what

God requires trust, but trust does not save ....grace saves, and faith is the condition God graciously responds to.

Believing is not a work that earns salvation; it is the absence of self-reliance. Scripture consistently contrasts faith with works, not includes it among them (Romans 4:5).

Yes. God requires trust, but that trust is a free response, not a meritorious act. Jesus saves by grace; faith is simply the human willingness not to resist God’s saving work.
A requirement is not coercion

God requires faith, but He does not force it.
A forced response would not be trust.

 

[Victoria]

God requires trust, but trust does not save ....grace saves, and faith is the condition God graciously responds to.

Believing is not a work that earns salvation; it is the absence of self-reliance. Scripture consistently contrasts faith with works, not includes it among them (Romans 4:5).

Yes. God requires trust, but that trust is a free response, not a meritorious act. Jesus saves by grace; faith is simply the human willingness not to resist God’s saving work.
A requirement is not coercion

God requires faith, but He does not force it.
A forced response would not be trust.

Well said! Amen!

 

[brightfame52]

Believing is not a work that earns salvation;

Yes it is when you make it a action, a condition you must perform b4 God will save you. The true nature of believing is an action, an evidence one does after they are saved. I see it as an evidence of salvation, whereas you seem to say its an condition for salvation. Big difference. So believing is a good work performed after one is saved.

 

[civic]

So is your trust, something done by a person in their mind and heart, a requirement of God b4 Jesus will save a person ? Yes or No

yes personal faith is a requirement.

 

[civic]

Yes it is when you make it a action, a condition you must perform b4 God will save you. The true nature of believing is an action, an evidence one does after they are saved. I see it as an evidence of salvation, whereas you seem to say its an condition for salvation. Big difference. So believing is a good work performed after one is saved.

strawman

 

[FreeInChrist]

Yes it is when you make it a action, a condition you must perform b4 God will save you. The true nature of believing is an action, an evidence one does after they are saved. I see it as an evidence of salvation, whereas you seem to say its an condition for salvation. Big difference. So believing is a good work performed after one is saved.

And I got saved after I believed.

Just exactly as my signature indicates.

I got up this morning and said Goodmorning to the three. Man all this working is making me soooooooo tired.

 

[Kampioen]

Yes it is when you make it a action, a condition you must perform b4 God will save you. The true nature of believing is an action, an evidence one does after they are saved. I see it as an evidence of salvation, whereas you seem to say its an condition for salvation. Big difference. So believing is a good work performed after one is saved.

However, you make everything actuated by God, lest any man should boast in his own works.

 

[brightfame52]

yes personal faith is a requirement.

Then its a work

 

[civic]

Then its a work

nope faith is never called a work.

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