Heaven? Not Interested.

[Truther]

No, not fake. But who's to say that these 'locations' and structures are not part of the all-encompassing Presence of God?
I just don't accept that God shares or reduplicates or incorporates His Deific Attributes and Nature in a place or structure. The language can be for our limited benefit but God Himself is more, eternally more.
After all, didn't the items in the Tabernacle all represent some aspect of Christ using type and shadow?

So, if it is not an actual tree of life, holy city, river of life, it is fake.

Plain and simple.

Heaven is not just a state of being, but being given a mansion, etc.

Even Jesus would be teaching fake news if there are no mansions, and he would not have told us about it.....


In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. [3] And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

 

[jeremiah1five]

So, if it is not an actual tree of life, holy city, river of life, it is fake.
Plain and simple.
Heaven is not just a state of being, but being given a mansion, etc.
Even Jesus would be teaching fake news if there are no mansions, and he would not have told us about it.....

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. [3] And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

What word or language is there to describe God?
What word or language is there to describe what we will be or experience in Trinity when the "TIME" comes?
Didn't God use type and shadow to describe Jesus Christ in the building of the Tabernacle? The Bread, the Altar, the Utensils, etc.
Why do you attach boundaries to God and why do you think God is going to reduplicate, give, share, copy His Deific Attributes and Personal Nature in a place or location?
Those terms you cite above can only be more type and shadow and using human language to describe a Deific experience which has no language description. Eye has not seen (but God describes mansions), nor ear heard (Paul heard words not lawful to utter), nor entered into the heart of man (things indescribable to human language) the things (maybe they're not things) God has prepared to those that love Him.

If Eternalness is God Himself, then that is His Nature. And I just don't see God duplicating His Eternal Nature in a place, thing, or location.
Heaven is not a place. Heaven is a Person.
Eye hath not seen.

 

[Obadiah]

So, if it is not an actual tree of life, holy city, river of life, it is fake.

Plain and simple.

Heaven is not just a state of being, but being given a mansion, etc.

Even Jesus would be teaching fake news if there are no mansions, and he would not have told us about it.....


In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. [3] And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

John 14:1-2 is an often quoted but many times misunderstood Bible verse. Jesus said that He would go to prepare a “mansion” for those who believe in Him. Many believe that these “mansions” are literal buildings in heaven where they will dwell.

Many Mansions - Scripture Revealed

John 14:2 speaks of God preparing mansions for the believer. Mansions refer to the dwelling place or abode of God's Spirit.

www.scripturerevealed.com

 

[GeneZ]

At the beginning.
Ultimately, we will return in God from where we were first contemplated.
This, I believe, is where our foreknowledge occurred.

Make sense of that. No pot smokers here. So, make it logical and Scriptural if you try.

ps.. God does not contemplate. God always knows!

(man contemplates)

............

 

[Truther]

John 14:1-2 is an often quoted but many times misunderstood Bible verse. Jesus said that He would go to prepare a “mansion” for those who believe in Him. Many believe that these “mansions” are literal buildings in heaven where they will dwell.

Many Mansions - Scripture Revealed

John 14:2 speaks of God preparing mansions for the believer. Mansions refer to the dwelling place or abode of God's Spirit.

www.scripturerevealed.com

So, the commentary debunks Jesus' words?

Maybe he should not have told us so since it was not actually true?...


In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. [3] And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

 

[GeneZ]

What word or language is there to describe God?
What word or language is there to describe what we will be or experience in Trinity when the "TIME" comes?
Didn't God use type and shadow to describe Jesus Christ in the building of the Tabernacle? The Bread, the Altar, the Utensils, etc.
Why do you attach boundaries to God and why do you think God is going to reduplicate, give, share, copy His Deific Attributes and Personal Nature in a place or location?
Those terms you cite above can only be more type and shadow and using human language to describe a Deific experience which has no language description. Eye has not seen (but God describes mansions), nor ear heard (Paul heard words not lawful to utter), nor entered into the heart of man (things indescribable to human language) the things (maybe they're not things) God has prepared to those that love Him.

If Eternalness is God Himself, then that is His Nature. And I just don't see God duplicating His Eternal Nature in a place, thing, or location.
Heaven is not a place. Heaven is a Person.
Eye hath not seen.

You act like you know these things you speak of and tell us we can not know them....

 

[GeneZ]

So, the commentary debunks Jesus' words?

Maybe he should not have told us so since it was not actually true?...


In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. [3] And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Just the same...

The word 'mansion' is a King James rendering. It can also be translated "dwelling places."

Strong’s word #G3306 (meno) which means a staying, i.e. residence (the act or the place) – abode, mansion.

In the new universe we each may find ourselves having our own special and personal planet.

And, maybe even a duplex planet with a nicest neighbor sharing the lawn mowing chores with you!

 

[jeremiah1five]

Make sense of that. No pot smokers here. So, make it logical and Scriptural if you try.

ps.. God does not contemplate. God always knows!

(man contemplates)

............

You think when God first THOUGHT of creating man, He got the idea from a TV program?
God contemplated creating His people in His very own Mind. His thoughts, not anyone else's.
This is where His foreknowledge of us is found.
It begins with God, or it is not of God.
Got a light?
And I don't mean Bic.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You act like you know these things you speak of and tell us we can not know them....

What I do know is the Scriptures is a revelation of things we can't readily know.
I search the Scriptures for my faith.
Where do you search?
Google?

 

[Obadiah]

So, the commentary debunks Jesus' words?

Maybe he should not have told us so since it was not actually true?...


In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. [3] And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Of course Jesus said it, He just didn't use the word mansions.

American Standard Version (ASV) – “In my Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.”
English Standard Version (ESV) – “In my Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you?”
International Standard Version (ISV) – “There are many rooms in my Father’s house. If there weren’t, I wouldn’t have told you that I am going away to prepare a place for you, would I?”
New King James Version (NKJV) – “In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.”
New International Version (NIV) – “My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you?”
New American Standard Bible (NASB) – “In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.”
Weymouth New Testament (WEY) – “In my Father’s house there are many resting-places. Were it otherwise, I would have told you; for I am going to make ready a place for you.”

 

[e v e]

So, if it is not an actual tree of life, holy city, river of life, it is fake.

Plain and simple.

Heaven is not just a state of being, but being given a mansion, etc.

Even Jesus would be teaching fake news if there are no mansions, and he would not have told us about it.....


In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. [3] And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

everything in paradise is real...

paradise is the land given to us by God
in the other reality before the satanic
realm conquered eden and made her to fall
when adam cooperated with them.

 

[GeneZ]

You think when God first THOUGHT of creating man, He got the idea from a TV program?
God contemplated creating His people in His very own Mind. His thoughts, not anyone else's.
This is where His foreknowledge of us is found.
It begins with God, or it is not of God.
Got a light?
And I don't mean Bic.

God always knew He was going to create man. He did not "first thought" anything.

Omniscience knows - and was always knowing - all past, present, and future (all simultaneously).

 

[GeneZ]

What I do know is the Scriptures is a revelation of things we can't readily know.
I search the Scriptures for my faith.
Where do you search?
Google?

Searching not solely in mainstream English translations....... Too many things can mislead or obscure.

If you want to learn for yourself what I speak of?
Get your hands on Wuest's NT, and Williams NT.

https://www.olivetree.com/store/product.php?productid=16639

http://www.sprawls.org/williams/


I also have submitted to my Lord's authority to learn from an excellent pastor teacher he has assigned me to.

 

[jeremiah1five]

God always knew He was going to create man. He did not "first thought" anything.

He knew when He thought about it. And when He thought about it He knew.

Omniscience knows - and was always knowing - all past, present, and future (all simultaneously).

There is no TIME with God. He just is.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Searching not solely in mainstream English translations....... Too many things can mislead or obscure.

If you want to learn for yourself what I speak of?
Get your hands on Wuest's NT, and Williams NT.

https://www.olivetree.com/store/product.php?productid=16639

http://www.sprawls.org/williams/


I also have submitted to my Lord's authority to learn from an excellent pastor teacher he has assigned me to.

Appreciate it but I don't mess with modern-day, new-age translations that derive from Westcott and Horts Greek text.
I prefer God's Word of the KJV. Authorized by God.

 

[e v e]

Appreciate it but I don't mess with modern-day, new-age translations that derive from Westcott and Horts Greek text.
I prefer God's Word of the KJV. Authorized by God.

kjv is a corrupt text whose production was overseen for demon-obsessed king james by john dee, an occultist. the original is filled with masonic symbols. To see those, scans are on archive.org. A sorcery text, with or without the images.

 

[jeremiah1five]

kjv is a corrupt text whose production was overseen for demon-obsessed king james by john dee, an occultist. the original is filled with masonic symbols. To see the masonry, scans are on archive.org. A sorcery text.

A fallen angel can oversee it, but it was still in the hands of men guided by the Holy Spirit.
Only a king of Church and State can order a translation and even God was overseeing the placement of King James on his throne for one of many purposes such as ordering a translation that has withstood the test of time and will continue until the day of Christ's return.
Then you can ask Him about those two rascals Westcott and Hort and their truly corrupt Greek text New Testament.
Westcott and Hort didn't even believe in the inspiration of the Scripture and were Mary-worshipers, among other questionable beliefs.

 

[e v e]

A fallen angel can oversee it, but it was still in the hands of men guided by the Holy Spirit.

I don't agree .

Only a king of Church and State can order a translation and even God was overseeing the placement of King James on his throne for one of many purposes such as ordering a translation that has withstood the test of time and will continue until the day of Christ's return.

God didn't place that esau on a throne.

Then you can ask Him about those two rascals Westcott and Hort and their truly corrupt Greek text New Testament.

i don't know about those two...probably Also sorcery,
my point is that the kjv is sorcery.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I don't agree .


God didn't place that esau on a throne.

i don't know about those two... my point is that the kjv is sorcery.

I suppose he ascended to the throne and God was what? Looking the other way?

7 But God is the judge:
He putteth down one, and setteth up another.
Ps 75:7.

Ever hear of Westcott and Hort and John William Burgon?

 

[e v e]

I suppose he ascended to the throne and God was what? Looking the other way?

7 But God is the judge:
He putteth down one, and setteth up another.
Ps 75:7.

Ever hear of Westcott and Hort and John William Burgon?

yes but the point is God did not lead james or put him there.