Heaven? Not Interested.

[GeneZ]

While I understand the above position I do not think its true. God is knowable and we can seek, search and know God as believers who have the Holy Spirit in us.

John 15:15
No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not understand what his master is doing. But I have called you friends, because everything I have learned from My Father I have made known to you.


1 Corinthians 2
these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.

The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. 14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, 16 for,

“Who has known the mind of the Lord
so as to instruct him?”
But we have the mind of Christ.

Here is how we know God.

Jesus, being both humanity and Deity in union, knows how to "exegete" God to us in a manner that we as humans will be able to relate to.

"No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in ​

closest relationship with the Father, has made him known." John 1:18​

One Greek word means all the following....

[He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen;
He has interpreted Him and He has made Him known].​

A pastor (who was also a Greek scholar) once told me that what Jesus does with God for us (as per John 18) is the same Greek word used to command pastors to exegete the Scriptures for their flock.

That, sad to say, is hardly done anymore today.

Too many pastors are busy trying to sell a brand of Christianity that they think their flock wants to hear.

 

[civic]

Here is how we know God.

Jesus, being both humanity and Deity in union, knows how to "exegete" God to us in a manner that we as humans will be able to relate to.

"No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in ​

closest relationship with the Father, has made him known." John 1:18​

One Greek word means all the following....

[He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen;
He has interpreted Him and He has made Him known].​

A pastor (who was also a Greek scholar) once told me that what Jesus does with God for us (as per John 18) is the same Greek word used to command pastors to exegete the Scriptures for their flock.

That, sad to say, is hardly done anymore today.

Too many pastors are busy trying to sell a brand of Christianity that they think their flock wants to hear.

Exactly everything we need to know about God is revealed in Christ. To see Him is to see the Father.To hear Him is to hear the Father. Jesus always said and did what He saw the Father doing and saying. Amen.

 

[GeneZ]

Exactly everything we need to know about God is revealed in Christ. To see Him is to see the Father.To hear Him is to hear the Father. Jesus always said and did what He saw the Father doing and saying. Amen.

Christ is all we can ever know about God.... Fully!

For all eternity!

 

[civic]

Christ is all we can ever know about God.... Fully!

For all eternity!

Revelations 4
Whenever the living creatures give glory, honor and thanks to him who sits on the throne and who lives for ever and ever, 10 the twenty-four elders fall down before him who sits on the throne and worship him who lives for ever and ever. They lay their crowns before the throne and say:

11 “You are worthy, our Lord and God,
to receive glory and honor and power,
for you created all things,
and by your will they were created
and have their being.”

Revelation 5
Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying:

“To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb
be praise and honor and glory and power,
for ever and ever!”

14 The four living creatures said, “Amen,” and the elders fell down and worshiped.

Revelation 22
Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. 3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. 4 They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. 5 There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.

 

[Truther]

oh please...

he is never coming back.
adam is a monster... he will die.

I think we are speaking of 2 different Adam's here....

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

 

[GeneZ]

oh please...

he is never coming back.
adam is a monster... he will die.

Do you know what you are saying????????

You are Adam! When you think in your flesh you are!

Besides.... Adam died already on the Cross. So did you.

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Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now ​

much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling."​

Fear is a part of becoming saved. Philippians 2:12

You either overcome it with truth.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Do you know what you are saying????????

You are Adam! When you think in your flesh you are!

Besides.... Adam died already on the Cross. So did you.

​

Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now ​

much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling."​

Fear is a part of becoming saved. Philippians 2:12

You either overcome it with truth.

Or, you will try to escape into your own fantasy world while abusing Scripture to do so.
Its not sane when that happens! Its not edifying to the body of Christ.

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[Dizerner]

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Seems like a New Age version of the Gospel.

The Bible is corrupted, we all had former lives, the material world (especially bodies) is somehow "evil," Jesus only saves a special group with no free will.

Jesus just gets killed by "bad people" not to suffer the punishment of our sins. He comes back to save us from a "bad place," not to judge the sins of the world.

Let's keep praying for those with false Gospels.

whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. (2 Cor. 4:4 NKJ)

 

[civic]

Seems like a New Age version of the Gospel.

The Bible is corrupted, we all had former lives, the material world (especially bodies) is somehow "evil," Jesus only saves a special group with no free will.

Jesus just gets killed by "bad people" not to suffer the punishment of our sins. He comes back to save us from a "bad place," not to judge the sins of the world.

Let's keep praying for those with false Gospels.

whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. (2 Cor. 4:4 NKJ)

And how do you know that your gospel it not false ?

Define the gospel for us.

 

[GeneZ]

Seems like a New Age version of the Gospel.

The Bible is corrupted, we all had former lives, the material world (especially bodies) is somehow "evil," Jesus only saves a special group with no free will.

Jesus just gets killed by "bad people" not to suffer the punishment of our sins. He comes back to save us from a "bad place," not to judge the sins of the world.

Let's keep praying for those with false Gospels.

whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. (2 Cor. 4:4 NKJ)

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[Predestined]

Lets discuss the posts and not the poster or I will close the thread. Lets treat others with mutual respect.

 

[civic]

Edited by admin Please keep your comments about the post and not the posters.

ditto

 

[e v e]

to remove any vagueness as to the themes of this op regarding any of my past replies ,
here is what I understand,


there is no reincarnation in God's version. It is a horrible concept - if anyone only knew how bad.


all His souls have a choice to come to Him. That said we are prisoners unless He rescue us and bring us Home to Him.


many more than just those who chose to follow Christ and will meet Christ on the clouds will be saved too, from here during trib, and will follow Christ and be rescued after the Change as Paul described rapture.


there are many wrong versions expressed on websites, youtube, etc, and also in 'translations' - to hurt us, satan changes God's words to us via his esaus on earth. the confusions that result is obvious with many fighting over non-points as a result.


there is a specific adam who betrayed God and cooperates with satan. Context determines if a type or man in general or if the specific adam is meant in discussion. Usually in adam's case I only ever discuss the specific adam unless otherwise stated.


this body and earth and all that is here is the perishable and Paul sees the huge gap between that and what will be our glorious body at the Change.


cosmological changes happened because of the fall, creation was affected by the specific man adam's betrayal of God.


Because of adam, we are not born into paradise. Because of Christ coming here to this earth to save us, we can return to paradise.


nothing of heaven and His paradise for us compares to this lowly place we ended up here. For His paradise is perfect and His heaven is perfect.


One aspect of this horrible step down caused by Adam's disobedience, is that we are no longer in paradise with God but left paradise.


Paradise is not the same as the current reality.


We lost our paradise but it will be made new in His reality heaven which is flawless and the sons of Him will rule paradise with Christ.

 

[e v e]

He wants souls to understand what he really said in prophets which all got corrupted by Esau. How he made Eden in the other reality, our soul in gorgeous bodies, how we left the garden, and how Adam betrayed us because he made a pact with mystery-babylon (=the evil region in the other reality).

 

[makesends]

I began reading the Bible on my own back in 1968 when I was 24 years old;
but it wasn't till four years later in 1972 that I became a serious student of
the Bible via radio programs, mentoring, seminars, books, Sunday schools,
special classes, sermons; and of late via YouTube.

Fifty-one years as a conscientious student of the Bible hasn't made me a
seminary-level expert, but competent enough to be useful on internet forums
and message boards. I've been active at one time or another on nigh unto 50
such venues in the last 26 years dialoguing with men and women, and Jews,
Catholics, Protestants, Jehovah's Witnesses, agnostics, atheists and know-it-all
wise guys. It's been quite an odyssey.

I was diagnosed with esophageal cancer in November of 2022. There's a
47% chance I will be dead before Christmas even after completing the
appropriate amounts of chemo and radiation; and if perchance I should live
till Christmas, the odds against my survival from thence only get worse. The
upside is: there's treatment options for keeping my esophagus open enough
to permit swallowing so at least I won't be deprived of my favorite foods,
beverages, and snacks on my journey towards rendezvous with the Grim Reaper.

Well; as of today, I'm 79+ years old. Most of my life has already been lived
and I'm heading for the exit so I think you can appreciate why I think about
Heaven from a practical perspective instead of the sappy feel-good ethereal
nonsense floating around inside the heads of your average rank and file pew
warmer.



I fully expect that new arrivals in Heaven are whisked off to a sort of Bible
camp where all their mistakes are corrected and the blanks filled in so that
when we're released from quarantine and transferred to general population
(a.k.a. gen pop) there will be no quarreling and debating; which are
unbecoming behaviors for Christ's believing followers; as is unsolicited
spiritual counseling doled out by folks unqualified, and improperly trained, to
be doing so.

* Cancer isn't entirely a bad a way to die. It's a lingering death, so it gives
folks time to pack their bags, so to speak; unlike the ones who die quickly, thus
leaving behind loose ends and badly-shaken kin unprepared for their passing.

You know; cancer would be a really good way to lose weight were it not so
hazardous. I went from 240 pounds down to 189 before bouncing back up to
205 during recovery. So far my weight is holding steady, and I really like
being skinny the way I was for three years in the Army back in 1961-1964.

(That was a pretty exciting time. I was with the 101st Airborne division right
in the middle of the Cuban missile crisis. We were fully armed and equipped
ready to be in the air and on the way to Cuba within one hour had President
Kennedy given us the green light.)
_

If I remember right, my statement was a response-in-kind to what was said to me. Anyhow, I mean you no disrespect.

 

[civic]

If I remember right, my statement was a response-in-kind to what was said to me. Anyhow, I mean you no disrespect.

So without naming names we are no different from other sites that are calvinist with its leadership. We are the antithesis of those from that perspective but its unfair to be labeled anti calvinist hate site no more than the others are anti arminian or non calvinist hate sites. I have never hid my beliefs from anyone and most know that I was a calvinist for many years and oppose the doctrines of grace. All arminians and non calvinists oppose them so that is to be expected. And I consider you and my calvinist friends brothers/sisters in the Lord. I think I get a bad rap on this outside of here and I do not ever attack the poster but engage in the argument.

And when I see the ad homs from either side I address them. I'm pretty fair when it comes to those issues and so is the forum administrator.

And as an FYI I'm open to your constructive criticism. You are one of the calvinists I really respect. You can call me out anytime you feel the need and I will be the first to admit when I'm wrong in the way I treat others. This might be my forum but I want it to be a place that everyone can enjoy and we are on an equal playing ground when it comes to interacting with each other here. I don't want to be an admin, I enjoy doing this here with you guys/gals.