He that believes and is not water baptised is saved

[TomL]

One baptism, two results. Forgiveness of sin and receipt of the gift, the indwelling, of the Holy Spirit, i.e., baptism in the Holy Spirit.

Baptism with the pronoun "with" not "in".

 

[Doug Brents]

Baptism with the pronoun "with" not "in".

In this case, they are the same thing.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

One baptism, two results. Forgiveness of sin and receipt of the gift, the indwelling, of the Holy Spirit, i.e., baptism in the Holy Spirit.

no

Being immersed in Christ gives us forgiveness if sin

We are anointed by the spirit that has nothing to do with baptism

There is a baptism in water

There is a baptism In Christ. These are two baptisms not one

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Baptism with the pronoun "with" not "in".

Amen we are not baptized in the HS but with the HS as the HS is the one doing the baptizing

 

[Doug Brents]

Amen we are not baptized in the HS but with the HS as the HS is the one doing the baptizing

No, that would be "BY" the Holy Spirit.

 

[TomL]

Amen we are not baptized in the HS but with the HS as the HS is the one doing the baptizing

Yep, into the body.

1 Corinthians 12:13 (LEB) — 13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free persons, and all were made to drink one Spirit.

 

[TomL]

In this case, they are the same thing.

No I will have to say actually they are not.

The Spirit may be considered the baptizer or the baptizing element.

1 Corinthians 12:13 (LEB) — 13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free persons, and all were made to drink one Spirit.

But the baptism is into another thing.

 

[Jim]

Baptism with the pronoun "with" not "in".

Me thinks he doeth protest too much.

Mar 1:8 "I baptized you with water; but He will baptize you with (Greek-en) the Holy Spirit."

From Strong:

G1722
ἐν
en
en
A primary preposition denoting (fixed) position (in place, time or state), and (by implication) instrumentality (medially or constructively), that is, a relation of rest (intermediate between G1519 and G1537); “in”, at, (up-) on, by, etc.: - about, after, against, + almost, X altogether, among, X as, at, before, between, (here-) by (+ all means), for (. . . sake of), + give self wholly to, (here-) in (-to, -wardly), X mightily, (because) of, (up-) on, [open-] ly, X outwardly, one, X quickly, X shortly, [speedi-] ly, X that, X there (-in, -on), through (-out), (un-) to(-ward), under, when, where (-with), while, with (-in). Often used in compounds, with substantially the same import; rarely with verbs of motion, and then not to indicate direction, except (elliptically) by a separate (and different) prep.
From Thayer:
G1722
ἐν
en
Thayer Definition:
1) in, by, with etc.
Part of Speech: preposition
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: a primary preposition denoting (fixed) position (in place, time or state), and (by implication) instrumentality (medially or constructively), i.e. a relation of rest (intermediate between G1519 and G1537)

 

[Jim]

no

Yes.

 

[TomL]

Me thinks he doeth protest too much.

Mar 1:8 "I baptized you with water; but He will baptize you with (Greek-en) the Holy Spirit."

From Strong:

G1722
ἐν
en
en
A primary preposition denoting (fixed) position (in place, time or state), and (by implication) instrumentality (medially or constructively), that is, a relation of rest (intermediate between G1519 and G1537); “in”, at, (up-) on, by, etc.: - about, after, against, + almost, X altogether, among, X as, at, before, between, (here-) by (+ all means), for (. . . sake of), + give self wholly to, (here-) in (-to, -wardly), X mightily, (because) of, (up-) on, [open-] ly, X outwardly, one, X quickly, X shortly, [speedi-] ly, X that, X there (-in, -on), through (-out), (un-) to(-ward), under, when, where (-with), while, with (-in). Often used in compounds, with substantially the same import; rarely with verbs of motion, and then not to indicate direction, except (elliptically) by a separate (and different) prep.
From Thayer:
G1722
ἐν
en
Thayer Definition:
1) in, by, with etc.
Part of Speech: preposition
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: a primary preposition denoting (fixed) position (in place, time or state), and (by implication) instrumentality (medially or constructively), i.e. a relation of rest (intermediate between G1519 and G1537)

The point is the goal is not to put you in the element but to put you into a state or at least picture it.

 

[Doug Brents]

No I will have to say actually they are not.

The Spirit may be considered the baptizer or the baptizing element.

1 Corinthians 12:13 (LEB) — 13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free persons, and all were made to drink one Spirit.

But the baptism is into another thing.

"INTO" is different than "IN". We are baptized IN water INTO Christ. It is IN water that we are baptized resulting in salvation (1 Pet 3:21) in which the Holy Spirit gives us a clean conscience. It is BY the Spirit that we are made clean through the washing of water (Eph 5:26-27).

 

[TomL]

"INTO" is different than "IN". We are baptized IN water INTO Christ. It is IN water that we are baptized resulting in salvation (1 Pet 3:21) in which the Holy Spirit gives us a clean conscience. It is BY the Spirit that we are made clean through the washing of water (Eph 5:26-27).

I would say we are baptized with or even by (if the agent of the baptism is being mentioned)

Lexham English Bible

Mark 10:38But Jesus said to them, “You do not know what you are asking! Are you able to drink the cup that I drink, or to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?”
Mark 10:39And they said to him, “We are able.” So Jesus said to them, “You will drink the cup that I drink, and you will be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with,
Luke 7:29(And all the people, when they heard this—even the tax collectors—affirmed the righteousness of God, because they had been baptized with the baptism of John,
Luke 12:50But I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how I am distressed until it is accomplished!
Acts 1:5For John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”
Acts 11:16And I remembered the word of the Lord, how he said, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’
Acts 19:4And Paul said, “John baptized with a baptism of repentance, telling the people that they should believe in the one who was to come after him—that is, in Jesus.”

and the KJV

Matt 20:22But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.
Matt 20:23And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.
Mark 10:38But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask: can ye drink of the cup that I drink of? and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?
Luke 7:29And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.
Luke 12:50But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!
Acts 1:5For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Acts 11:16Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

PS

1 Peter 3:21 (KJV 1900) — 21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Yes.

lol. whatever my friend

Keep boasting in doing the work of water baptism.

again, I will boast in God who baptized me

 

[Doug Brents]

I would say we are baptized with or even by (if the agent of the baptism is being mentioned)

Lexham English Bible
Mark 10:38 But Jesus said to them, “You do not know what you are asking! Are you able to drink the cup that I drink, or to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?”
Mark 10:39 And they said to him, “We are able.” So Jesus said to them, “You will drink the cup that I drink, and you will be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with,

"With" has nothing to do with "into" or "in". These three different propositions have different meanings.
We are baptized "by" a person and "by" the Holy Spirit when we are baptized "in" water and "into" Christ.

Mark here is talking about being baptized in martyrdom. This passage has nothing to do with salvation, or water baptism (the one baptism in the NT Church).

Luke 7:29 (And all the people, when they heard this—even the tax collectors—affirmed the righteousness of God, because they had been baptized with the baptism of John,

Again, "with" has nothing to do with "into" or "in".

Luke 12:50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how I am distressed until it is accomplished!

Again, a reference to Jesus' martyrdom, not salvation.

Acts 1:5 For John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

Jesus' reference to the baptism of the Holy Spirit is not a reference to salvation. It is a reference to the empowerment the Holy Spirit would give to those who, at that time, already had the Holy Spirit indwelling them.

Acts 11:16 And I remembered the word of the Lord, how he said, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’

See Acts 1:5 above.

Acts 19:4 And Paul said, “John baptized with a baptism of repentance, telling the people that they should believe in the one who was to come after him—that is, in Jesus.”

What does this passage have to do with anything in your argument?
These men were disciples of John, not Jesus, and they were not yet saved. They had been baptized with John's baptism, but they had not yet received NT baptism. Paul immediately baptized them into Christ in which they received salvation and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

PS

1 Peter 3:21 (KJV 1900) — 21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Verse 21 looks back to verse 20, and says that the Flood was a symbol of the baptism that now saves us in the NT era. The baptism in the NT era requires water, like the Flood, and it is in this baptism that the Holy Spirit removes our sin (not physical dirt from the body) and gives us a new, clean conscience because of the resurrection of Jesus.

 

[FreeInChrist]

"With" has nothing to do with "into" or "in". These three different propositions have different meanings.
We are baptized "by" a person and "by" the Holy Spirit when we are baptized "in" water and "into" Christ.

Mark here is talking about being baptized in martyrdom. This passage has nothing to do with salvation, or water baptism (the one baptism in the NT Church).

Again, "with" has nothing to do with "into" or "in".

Matt 3:11 KJV I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

Water Baptism vs. Spirit Baptism: What is the Difference?

There is some confusion among the Body of Christ about the difference between water baptism and the baptism in the Holy Spirit. In this article, …

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In water baptism, you are being baptized in the Name of Jesus, with the purpose of burying the old life of sin. In the baptism in the Holy Spirit, the believer is being baptized in the Holy Spirit, with the purpose of being clothed with power.

Separate Experiences​

There are some teachers of the Bible that teach that the baptism in the Holy Spirit, and water baptism happen at the same time. This simply is not the case. The book of Acts makes it extremely clear that these experiences are separate.

Let’s take a journey through a few passages that prove this point.

“Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.” (Acts 8:14-17).

“Then Peter answered, “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.” (Acts 10:46-48).

“When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied. “ (Acts 19:5-6).

The Bible says “by the mouth of two or three witnesses, every word shall be established” (2 Corinthians 13:1). So, it is clear through these three scriptures, that the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is a separate experience from water Baptism.

Conclusion​

The differences between these two baptisms are as follows:

1. These baptisms are separate experiences.
2. The purpose of water baptism is to remove the old life of sin, while the baptism in the Holy Spirit is to be endued with power.
3. When the individual is being baptized in water, they’re being baptized into Christ, while the Spirit baptism is an immersion into the Holy Spirit.

Again, a reference to Jesus' martyrdom, not salvation.

Jesus' reference to the baptism of the Holy Spirit is not a reference to salvation. It is a reference to the empowerment the Holy Spirit would give to those who, at that time, already had the Holy Spirit indwelling them.

See Acts 1:5 above.

What does this passage have to do with anything in your argument?
These men were disciples of John, not Jesus, and they were not yet saved. They had been baptized with John's baptism, but they had not yet received NT baptism. Paul immediately baptized them into Christ in which they received salvation and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

Verse 21 looks back to verse 20, and says that the Flood was a symbol of the baptism that now saves us in the NT era. The baptism in the NT era requires water, like the Flood, and it is in this baptism that the Holy Spirit removes our sin (not physical dirt from the body) and gives us a new, clean conscience because of the resurrection of Jesus.

 

[Doug Brents]

In water baptism, you are being baptized in the Name of Jesus, with the purpose of burying the old life of sin. In the baptism in the Holy Spirit, the believer is being baptized in the Holy Spirit, with the purpose of being clothed with power.

It is in the old life of sin being cut from us (Col 2:11-14) that the penalty for our sin is removed from us, and at that same time we receive resurrection from the death of sin (just as Christ was resurrected) resulting in eternal life (Rom 6:1-7). The gift of the indwelling of the Spirit is the guarantee of eternal life with Him. Receiving miraculous power is not guaranteed to everyone who is saved. Even in the first century, not everyone who was saved received miraculous power from the Holy Spirit. And since the first century, no one has received miraculous power.

The differences between these two baptisms are as follows:
1. These baptisms are separate experiences.

These baptisms happen at the same time today.

2. The purpose of water baptism is to remove the old life of sin, while the baptism in the Holy Spirit is to be endued with power.

See above.

3. When the individual is being baptized in water, they’re being baptized into Christ, while the Spirit baptism is an immersion into the Holy Spirit.

Being baptized into Christ is the point of salvation, which means that salvation occurs during water baptism.

 

[TomL]

"With" has nothing to do with "into" or "in". These three different propositions have different meanings.
We are baptized "by" a person and "by" the Holy Spirit when we are baptized "in" water and "into" Christ.

Um this is scripture

Leb translation

Mark 10:38But Jesus said to them, “You do not know what you are asking! Are you able to drink the cup that I drink, or to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?”
Mark 10:39And they said to him, “We are able.” So Jesus said to them, “You will drink the cup that I drink, and you will be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with,
Luke 7:29(And all the people, when they heard this—even the tax collectors—affirmed the righteousness of God, because they had been baptized with the baptism of John,
Luke 12:50But I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how I am distressed until it is accomplished!
Acts 1:5For John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”
Acts 11:16And I remembered the word of the Lord, how he said, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’
Acts 19:4And Paul said, “John baptized with a baptism of repentance, telling the people that they should believe in the one who was to come after him—that is, in Jesus.”

Baptism is noted to be with water or the Spirit

The same in the KJV translation

Mark 10:39 And they said to him, “We are able.” So Jesus said to them, “You will drink the cup that I drink, and you will be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with,

Mark here is talking about being baptized in martyrdom. This passage has nothing to do with salvation, or water baptism (the one baptism in the NT

In the multiple verses I cited we have a baptism of John which is a baptism of repentance.

We also have a baptism, which is with the Spirit.

Church).

Again, "with" has nothing to do with "into" or "in".

Um John's baptism is a baptism with water and into repentance

Again, a reference to Jesus' martyrdom, not salvation.

Jesus' reference to the baptism of the Holy Spirit is not a reference to salvation. It is a reference to the empowerment the Holy Spirit would give to those who, at that time, already had the Holy Spirit indwelling them.

You clearly cut it short

1 Corinthians 12:13 (LEB) — 13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free persons, and all were made to drink one Spirit.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

You clearly cut it short

1 Corinthians 12:13 (LEB) — 13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free persons, and all were made to drink one Spirit.

who does it say did the baptizing?

Also Colossians 2. Who is the one who baptizes us with the spiritual circumcision.

they have no leg to stand on.

 

[TomL]

who does it say did the baptizing?

Also Colossians 2. Who is the one who baptizes us with the spiritual circumcision.

they have no leg to stand on.

The Spirit and it is into the body.

1 Corinthians 12:13 (LEB) — 13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free persons, and all were made to drink one Spirit.

It is scripture; therefore, it has plenty of leg to stand on.

As for

Colossians 2:12 (LEB) — 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which also you were raised together with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.

the member of God is not identified

 

[Doug Brents]

who does it say did the baptizing?

Also Colossians 2. Who is the one who baptizes us with the spiritual circumcision.

they have no leg to stand on.

In Matt 28:19, which is the same statement as Mark 16:16, Jesus commands the Apostles (and through them, every Christ follower after them) to baptize new followers of Him so that they will be saved. Rom 6:1-7, Col 2:11-14, and 1 Pet 3:21 all state that the Holy Spirit takes action DURING baptism to remove our sin and resurrect our spirit with/like Christ.