Gods Name Fallacy

[101G]

Weak mortals mislead by satan. Did you ever read the bible? 99% throughout mislead, down to this day. God talked to some of them. God talked through prophets, they knew God very well.

Excuse?, as you even said, "God talked through prophets, they knew God very well". Satan, or the devil cannot make you do a thing, unless YOU WANT TO DO IT, either, you were deceived, (but that want work, because as said, they knew God well), just call it for what it is.... "DISOBEDIENCE ". and the only way out of that is to repent.

and as for reading the bible, it is USELESS, if one do not gain UNDERSTANDING of what they are reading.

101G.

 

[101G]

I surely appreciate your concern, but there is 0 doubt, Jesus leads the JW religion. Jesus is never called Jehovah.

he sure don't in the condition it is in NOW. well let's see if this is true as to what you said. "Jesus is never called Jehovah". ok, but your own bible called him just that, but "IGNORANTLY". let's see it from your BIBLE, the NWT.

scripture, Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:" (KJV).

many say the "he" who sent his angel to john is "Jehovah". because of this .... as to what the angel who was sent said. Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done." (KJV).

the Lord God? of the holy prophets sent his angel.

in your NWT bible, it replaces the "Lord God" here with the NAME "Jehovah". well, that was a terrible MISTAKE. and here's why. in the same chapter, in the same book ..... only 10 verses down, your bible and the KJV has this at verse 16. LISTEN REAL GOOD. Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

it was the Lord God Jesus who sent his angel to John. and your NWT has Jehovah who sent his angel to John. and just 10 verses later, your own NWT has the Lord Jesus sending his own angel at Revelation 22:16.

whoever was your translators they were asleep at the wheel to make a blunder as BIG AS THIS. I mean Total IGNORANCE was in full play, when just 10 verses Later, in the same chapter, in the same book, and they made a blunder like that. it makes ones wonder what else they lied about.

see God allowed then to put that fake lying Name Jehovah in their mouth and transferred it to ink and paper so that 101G will read it. ...... (smile)..... YIKES!. do U see now the LIE that is revealed? and oh yes there are MANY, and 101G means Many more Just like that in your BIBLE.

if I was you, (and this is no put down, but to HELP) a. get on the phone to headquarters and let them know about this ERROR. b. repent. and c. get out while you can.

PICJAG, 101G.

 

[DavidTree]

YHWH =Jehovah-- Yeshua = Jesus. YHWH is the Father= The one who sent Jesus= THE ONLY TRUE GOD-John 17:3
Jesus never lied.
YHWH is sovereign Lord--LORD does not belong in the OT. YHWH is called God in the NT.

#1.) You have been unable to find a single NT scripture that declares the FATHER is YHWH

#2.) LORD Jesus only called His Father as FATHER/God and never as His LORD/YHWH.

#3.) You cannot be a witness unto 'jehovah' because:
a.) You do not know who HE is
b.) There is only ONE WAY to the FATHER and currently you are not obeying/trusting in the FATHER's Will.
c.) ONLY Holy Spirit Baptized Believers in the LORD Jesus are TRUE Witnesses of YHWH

 

[Keiw1]

Excuse?, as you even said, "God talked through prophets, they knew God very well". Satan, or the devil cannot make you do a thing, unless YOU WANT TO DO IT, either, you were deceived, (but that want work, because as said, they knew God well), just call it for what it is.... "DISOBEDIENCE ". and the only way out of that is to repent.

and as for reading the bible, it is USELESS, if one do not gain UNDERSTANDING of what they are reading.

101G.

I agree, and none can get all of Gods truth out of altered versions.

 

[Keiw1]

he sure don't in the condition it is in NOW. well let's see if this is true as to what you said. "Jesus is never called Jehovah". ok, but your own bible called him just that, but "IGNORANTLY". let's see it from your BIBLE, the NWT.

scripture, Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:" (KJV).

many say the "he" who sent his angel to john is "Jehovah". because of this .... as to what the angel who was sent said. Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done." (KJV).

the Lord God? of the holy prophets sent his angel.

in your NWT bible, it replaces the "Lord God" here with the NAME "Jehovah". well, that was a terrible MISTAKE. and here's why. in the same chapter, in the same book ..... only 10 verses down, your bible and the KJV has this at verse 16. LISTEN REAL GOOD. Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

it was the Lord God Jesus who sent his angel to John. and your NWT has Jehovah who sent his angel to John. and just 10 verses later, your own NWT has the Lord Jesus sending his own angel at Revelation 22:16.

whoever was your translators they were asleep at the wheel to make a blunder as BIG AS THIS. I mean Total IGNORANCE was in full play, when just 10 verses Later, in the same chapter, in the same book, and they made a blunder like that. it makes ones wonder what else they lied about.

see God allowed then to put that fake lying Name Jehovah in their mouth and transferred it to ink and paper so that 101G will read it. ...... (smile)..... YIKES!. do U see now the LIE that is revealed? and oh yes there are MANY, and 101G means Many more Just like that in your BIBLE.

if I was you, (and this is no put down, but to HELP) a. get on the phone to headquarters and let them know about this ERROR. b. repent. and c. get out while you can.

PICJAG, 101G.

Do you understand English? John 1:1-- a revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave to him= the giver is God, the receiver is not God because there is only 1God.

 

[Keiw1]

#1.) You have been unable to find a single NT scripture that declares the FATHER is YHWH

#2.) LORD Jesus only called His Father as FATHER/God and never as His LORD/YHWH.

#3.) You cannot be a witness unto 'jehovah' because:
a.) You do not know who HE is
b.) There is only ONE WAY to the FATHER and currently you are not obeying/trusting in the FATHER's Will.
c.) ONLY Holy Spirit Baptized Believers in the LORD Jesus are TRUE Witnesses of YHWH

Hallowed by thy name=YHWH(Jehovah) The most important thing a mortal can pray about, Jesus placed it #1.=the only name that fits out of the whole bible. John 17:6--Jesus taught his followers his Fathers name--John 17:26--Jesus promises to keep on making his Fathers name known--Since Jesus doesn't speak to mortals, they only way to keep on making that name known is through his real religion, through his real followers. YHWH(Jehovah= THE ONLY TRUE GOD= the Father.
Jesus warned the world-John 15:21-22--That on account of his( Jesus) name,( thinking they are standing for it) some will do things against the true followers-Why? Because they do not know the one who sent him= Father= THE ONLY TRUE GOD( John 17:3)

 

[DavidTree]

Hallowed by thy name=YHWH(Jehovah) The most important thing a mortal can pray about, Jesus placed it #1.=the only name that fits out of the whole bible. John 17:6--Jesus taught his followers his Fathers name--John 17:26--Jesus promises to keep on making his Fathers name known--Since Jesus doesn't speak to mortals, they only way to keep on making that name known is through his real religion, through his real followers. YHWH(Jehovah= THE ONLY TRUE GOD= the Father.
Jesus warned the world-John 15:21-22--That on account of his( Jesus) name,( thinking they are standing for it) some will do things against the true followers-Why? Because they do not know the one who sent him= Father= THE ONLY TRUE GOD( John 17:3)

Again, you cannot show from scripture where the LORD Jesus said His FATHER is YHWH.

YHWH Jesus never called His Father 'LORD'.

Our FATHER, Holy is your Name (ELOHIM = FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT)
Thy Kingdom(JESUS) come Thy Will be done(HOLY SPIRIT) on earth as it is Heaven(JESUS).
Give us this day our daily Bread(JESUS)
and forgive us our debts = JESUS
as we forgive our debtors = HOLY SPIRIT
and lead us not into temptation = HOLY SPIRIT
but deliver us from the evil one(satan) = JESUS
For yours is the Kingdom(JESUS) the Power(HOLY SPIRIT) and the Glory(JESUS)

 

[Keiw1]

Again, you cannot show from scripture where the LORD Jesus said His FATHER is YHWH.

YHWH Jesus never called His Father 'LORD'.

Our FATHER, Holy is your Name (ELOHIM = FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT)
Thy Kingdom(JESUS) come Thy Will be done(HOLY SPIRIT) on earth as it is Heaven(JESUS).
Give us this day our daily Bread(JESUS)
and forgive us our debts = JESUS
as we forgive our debtors = HOLY SPIRIT
and lead us not into temptation = HOLY SPIRIT
but deliver us from the evil one(satan) = JESUS
For yours is the Kingdom(JESUS) the Power(HOLY SPIRIT) and the Glory(JESUS)

i clearly showed you. The darkness rules you and this is occurring to you-2Cor 4:4

 

[101G]

Do you understand English? John 1:1-- a revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave to him= the giver is God, the receiver is not God because there is only 1God.

First that's Revelation 1:1. it's only one person in Revelation 1:1 .... (Smile)... Oh My ... Oh Dear.

let 101G ask you a direct question. in Revelation 4 is it the ONE whom you call the Father or the Son? which one... (smile).

101G.

 

[DavidTree]

i clearly showed you. The darkness rules you and this is occurring to you-2Cor 4:4

2 Corinthians 4:4
But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.
For we do not preach ourselves(jws), but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus’ sake.
For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give
the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

Go back now to Post #147 and see how my words fully AGREE with 2 Corinthinians 4:4, but your words deny HIM.

 

[Keiw1]

First that's Revelation 1:1. it's only one person in Revelation 1:1 .... (Smile)... Oh My ... Oh Dear.

let 101G ask you a direct question. in Revelation 4 is it the ONE whom you call the Father or the Son? which one... (smile).

101G.

Take an English course. One who gives to another makes-2

 

[Keiw1]

2 Corinthians 4:4
But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.
For we do not preach ourselves(jws), but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus’ sake.
For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give
the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

Go back now to Post #147 and see how my words fully AGREE with 2 Corinthinians 4:4, but your words deny HIM.

Image of God= not God.

 

[DavidTree]

Image of God= not God.

jw is a FALSE witness religion.

If you want to know YHWH and be set free from your sins, you must humble yourself at the feet of LORD Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 4:4
But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.
For we do not preach ourselves(jws), but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus’ sake.
For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give
the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

 

[101G]

Take an English course. One who gives to another makes-2

are you sure? one question is not he who sits on the throne in Revelation 4 & 5, is he which stands before the throne, the Lamb?

yes, or No.

101G.

 

[Keiw1]

jw is a FALSE witness religion.

If you want to know YHWH and be set free from your sins, you must humble yourself at the feet of LORD Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 4:4
But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.
For we do not preach ourselves(jws), but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus’ sake.
For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give
the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

When Jesus returned to heaven and sat at the right hand of God-Did he sit at his own right hand since there is only 1 God?

 

[Keiw1]

are you sure? one question is not he who sits on the throne in Revelation 4 & 5, is he which stands before the throne, the Lamb?

yes, or No.

101G.

When Jesus returned to heaven he sat at the right hand of God-We know there is only 1 God, so did Jesus sit at his own right hand or are there 2 beings in that scenario? 1 Is God, the other is Jesus.

 

[DavidTree]

When Jesus returned to heaven and sat at the right hand of God-Did he sit at his own right hand since there is only 1 God?

The correct word for 'God' is 'Elohim' = Elohim is PLURAL

When Jesus returned to heaven and sat at the right hand of God-Did he sit at his own right hand since there is only 1 God?

EXCELLENT - You are now on the Right Path to Truth as you mentioned TWO PERSONS = the FATHER and the SON

How many PERSONS are declared here as the Creator in Genesis 1:26 ???

"Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;"

 

[Keiw1]

The correct word for 'God' is 'Elohim' = Elohim is PLURAL

EXCELLENT - You are now on the Right Path to Truth as you mentioned TWO PERSONS = the FATHER and the SON

How many PERSONS are declared here as the Creator in Genesis 1:26 ???

"Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;"

Elohim is NEVER plural for the true living God in the Hebrew language, only for the false trinity gods served by pagans back in the OT days.
Let us=YHWH and his master worker( Jesus-Prov 8:30= the one beside God during the creation.

 

[DavidTree]

Elohim is NEVER plural for the true living God in the Hebrew language, only for the false trinity gods served by pagans back in the OT days.
Let us=YHWH and his master worker( Jesus-Prov 8:30= the one beside God during the creation.

Genesis 1:1 - In the beginning God/Elohim

In the beginning
בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית (bə·rê·šîṯ)
Preposition-b | Noun - feminine singular
Strong's Hebrew 7225: 1) first, beginning, best, chief 1a) beginning 1b) first 1c) chief 1d) choice part

God
אֱלֹהִ֑ים (’ĕ·lō·hîm)
Noun - masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 430: 1) (plural) 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1c) angels 1d) gods 2) (plural intensive-singular meaning) 2a) god, goddess 2b) godlike one 2c) works or special possessions of God 2d) the (true) God 2e) God

Elohim is always PLURAL = "Let US make man in OUR Image according to OUR likeness"

Exodus 3:15 = PLURAL

Moreover Elohim said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: ‘
The YHWH ELOHIM of your fathers:
#1.) the Elohenu(Plural) of Abraham/Father
#2.) the Elohenu(Plural) of Isaac/Son
#3.) the Elohenu(Plural) of Jacob/Holy Spirit

This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.’

 

[101G]

When Jesus returned to heaven he sat at the right hand of God-We know there is only 1 God, so did Jesus sit at his own right hand or are there 2 beings in that scenario? 1 Is God, the other is Jesus.

GINOLJC, to all.
first, thanks for the reply, second, the Right hand of God is an anthropomorphism in symbolic understanding of being in POWER. he has "ALL POWER". there is no one next to anyone. for Revelation 4 states only ONE Sits on, on, on, the throne. now since you acknowledge, "We know there is only 1 God", Good, Great..... 101G agree. now back to my original question, "is this JESUS, the Almighty God, sitting on the throne in chapter 4 of Revelation?" and also is is not the JESUS standing before the throne that he is setting on... (Smile), in chapter 5. is this correct, YES or NO?.

if yes, please explain, and if not please explain. will be looking for your answer,

thanks in advance.

101G.