God's grace to forgive and transform is not conditioned to recognizing Jesus' deity, blood atonement or physical resurrection

[praise_yeshua]

Whose idea was it that JESUS should be nailed to a 'cross"???

It is a common Jewish Unitarianism's claim that the symbol of the cross is pagan. The same is true of their claim that "Son of God" teaching came out of Egyptian culture.

Nothing new. Just the same ole same ole.

They can't get into the details because they don't know the details.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Again-for clarity-Jesus did NOT attack anyone in His short stay on earth-and YOU are not Jesus @praise_yeshua.

Capiche?

Johann.

I reference John 8 verse 21-24 and you deal with dozens of verses that do not include John 8:21-24?

So how should I react to your blatant misdirection?

You tell me how YOU would respond to what you did here..... Put yourself in my position here.....

You obviously are ignoring what I actually said because you can't deal with it.

I'll post them again for you....

Joh 8:21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.
Joh 8:22 Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.
Joh 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

 

[Johann]

I reference John 8 verse 21-24 and you deal with dozens of verses that do not include John 8:21-24?

So how should I react to your blatant misdirection?

You tell me how YOU would respond to what you did here..... Put yourself in my position here.....

You obviously are ignoring what I actually said because you can't deal with it.

I'll post them again for you....

Joh 8:21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.
Joh 8:22 Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.
Joh 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Do you read this as Jesus attacking them and who are the recipients?

I can deal with anything you throw at me-no offense.

J.

 

[civic]

Do you read this as Jesus attacking them and who are the recipients?

I can deal with anything you throw at me-no offense.

J.

100% attacking them calling their father the devil, liars, murders etc… like father like son. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree

 

[Johann]

100% attacking them calling their father the devil, liars, murders etc

Error.

J.

 

[civic]

Error.

J.

Reread my post

 

[praise_yeshua]

Error.

J.

Is that really the only response you're going to give?

Take this line by line with me......Word by word.....

John 8:21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.

Give me a break down of how these words equal your claims.

 

[Johann]

Reread my post

And you reread mine.

Jesus did not "attack" His opponents in the sense of personal malice, but He often used strong, pointed language to confront hypocrisy, sin, and error, especially among religious leaders. Several Greek words used in the Gospels convey the forcefulness of His rebukes, but these rebukes were always aligned with His divine mission to reveal truth and call people to repentance.

1. ὑποκριτής (hypokritēs) - "Hypocrite"
Usage: In Matthew 23:13-29, Jesus repeatedly calls the scribes and Pharisees hypokritai, meaning “actors” or “pretenders.”

Context: This term was a stinging rebuke of their outward religiosity while inwardly neglecting justice, mercy, and faith. For example:

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence” (Matthew 23:25).

This was not an attack for personal reasons but a confrontation of spiritual duplicity.

2. ὄφεις, γεννήματα ἐχιδνῶν (opheis, gennēmata echidnōn) - "Serpents, brood of vipers"
Usage: In Matthew 23:33, Jesus addresses the Pharisees and scribes as “You serpents, you brood of vipers (ὄφεις, γεννήματα ἐχιδνῶν)”.
Meaning: This imagery links them to deceit and danger, like the serpent in Genesis 3, emphasizing their opposition to God’s truth.

3. οὐαί (ouai) - "Woe"
Usage: This word introduces the series of woes in Matthew 23:13-36. The term ouai conveys a mix of condemnation and lamentation, signifying sorrow over their fate if they do not repent.

Example: “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces” (Matthew 23:13).

4. ἀνόητος (anoētos) - "Foolish"
Usage: In Luke 11:40, Jesus says to the Pharisees, “Fools! Did not the one who made the outside make the inside also?” (Luke 11:40).
Meaning: This word calls out their lack of spiritual understanding despite their religious knowledge. It is a rebuke meant to awaken them to self-reflection.

5. Σατανᾶς (Satanas) - "Satan/Adversary"
Usage: In Matthew 16:23, Jesus rebukes Peter: “Get behind me, Satan!” (ὕπαγε ὀπίσω μου, Σατανᾶ).
Context: Jesus uses this term not as an attack on Peter personally but to confront the spirit of opposition in Peter's words, which were contrary to God’s will.


Jesus used strong and direct language, often employing Greek terms that conveyed rebuke or correction, but always with the purpose of leading people toward truth and repentance. His confrontations were never out of malice or personal offense but were aimed at exposing sin and hypocrisy, particularly among those in positions of spiritual authority.

For believers, these examples remind us to speak truth in love (Ephesians 4:15), with humility and the goal of restoration (Galatians 6:1).

Give me a Greek word definition of "attack" please-I can't find it in my Bible.

J.

 

[Johann]

Is that really the only response you're going to give?

Take this line by line with me......Word by word.....

John 8:21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.

Give me a break down of how these words equal your claims.

What claims?

More than willing to go through this isolated verse line by line-since you neglect context.

J.

 

[civic]

And you reread mine.

Jesus did not "attack" His opponents in the sense of personal malice, but He often used strong, pointed language to confront hypocrisy, sin, and error, especially among religious leaders. Several Greek words used in the Gospels convey the forcefulness of His rebukes, but these rebukes were always aligned with His divine mission to reveal truth and call people to repentance.

1. ὑποκριτής (hypokritēs) - "Hypocrite"
Usage: In Matthew 23:13-29, Jesus repeatedly calls the scribes and Pharisees hypokritai, meaning “actors” or “pretenders.”

Context: This term was a stinging rebuke of their outward religiosity while inwardly neglecting justice, mercy, and faith. For example:

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence” (Matthew 23:25).

This was not an attack for personal reasons but a confrontation of spiritual duplicity.

2. ὄφεις, γεννήματα ἐχιδνῶν (opheis, gennēmata echidnōn) - "Serpents, brood of vipers"
Usage: In Matthew 23:33, Jesus addresses the Pharisees and scribes as “You serpents, you brood of vipers (ὄφεις, γεννήματα ἐχιδνῶν)”.
Meaning: This imagery links them to deceit and danger, like the serpent in Genesis 3, emphasizing their opposition to God’s truth.

3. οὐαί (ouai) - "Woe"
Usage: This word introduces the series of woes in Matthew 23:13-36. The term ouai conveys a mix of condemnation and lamentation, signifying sorrow over their fate if they do not repent.

Example: “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces” (Matthew 23:13).

4. ἀνόητος (anoētos) - "Foolish"
Usage: In Luke 11:40, Jesus says to the Pharisees, “Fools! Did not the one who made the outside make the inside also?” (Luke 11:40).
Meaning: This word calls out their lack of spiritual understanding despite their religious knowledge. It is a rebuke meant to awaken them to self-reflection.

5. Σατανᾶς (Satanas) - "Satan/Adversary"
Usage: In Matthew 16:23, Jesus rebukes Peter: “Get behind me, Satan!” (ὕπαγε ὀπίσω μου, Σατανᾶ).
Context: Jesus uses this term not as an attack on Peter personally but to confront the spirit of opposition in Peter's words, which were contrary to God’s will.


Jesus used strong and direct language, often employing Greek terms that conveyed rebuke or correction, but always with the purpose of leading people toward truth and repentance. His confrontations were never out of malice or personal offense but were aimed at exposing sin and hypocrisy, particularly among those in positions of spiritual authority.

For believers, these examples remind us to speak truth in love (Ephesians 4:15), with humility and the goal of restoration (Galatians 6:1).

Give me a Greek word definition of "attack" please-I can't find it in my Bible.

J.

I never said it was malice I said He attached them and made it personal , cutting the head off of the snake. He judged them , their religion , standing before God, their wicked hearts etc

 

[praise_yeshua]

And you reread mine.

Jesus did not "attack" His opponents in the sense of personal malice, but He often used strong, pointed language to confront hypocrisy, sin, and error, especially among religious leaders. Several Greek words used in the Gospels convey the forcefulness of His rebukes, but these rebukes were always aligned with His divine mission to reveal truth and call people to repentance.

1. ὑποκριτής (hypokritēs) - "Hypocrite"
Usage: In Matthew 23:13-29, Jesus repeatedly calls the scribes and Pharisees hypokritai, meaning “actors” or “pretenders.”

Context: This term was a stinging rebuke of their outward religiosity while inwardly neglecting justice, mercy, and faith. For example:

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence” (Matthew 23:25).

This was not an attack for personal reasons but a confrontation of spiritual duplicity.

2. ὄφεις, γεννήματα ἐχιδνῶν (opheis, gennēmata echidnōn) - "Serpents, brood of vipers"
Usage: In Matthew 23:33, Jesus addresses the Pharisees and scribes as “You serpents, you brood of vipers (ὄφεις, γεννήματα ἐχιδνῶν)”.
Meaning: This imagery links them to deceit and danger, like the serpent in Genesis 3, emphasizing their opposition to God’s truth.

3. οὐαί (ouai) - "Woe"
Usage: This word introduces the series of woes in Matthew 23:13-36. The term ouai conveys a mix of condemnation and lamentation, signifying sorrow over their fate if they do not repent.

Example: “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces” (Matthew 23:13).

4. ἀνόητος (anoētos) - "Foolish"
Usage: In Luke 11:40, Jesus says to the Pharisees, “Fools! Did not the one who made the outside make the inside also?” (Luke 11:40).
Meaning: This word calls out their lack of spiritual understanding despite their religious knowledge. It is a rebuke meant to awaken them to self-reflection.

5. Σατανᾶς (Satanas) - "Satan/Adversary"
Usage: In Matthew 16:23, Jesus rebukes Peter: “Get behind me, Satan!” (ὕπαγε ὀπίσω μου, Σατανᾶ).
Context: Jesus uses this term not as an attack on Peter personally but to confront the spirit of opposition in Peter's words, which were contrary to God’s will.


Jesus used strong and direct language, often employing Greek terms that conveyed rebuke or correction, but always with the purpose of leading people toward truth and repentance. His confrontations were never out of malice or personal offense but were aimed at exposing sin and hypocrisy, particularly among those in positions of spiritual authority.

For believers, these examples remind us to speak truth in love (Ephesians 4:15), with humility and the goal of restoration (Galatians 6:1).

Give me a Greek word definition of "attack" please-I can't find it in my Bible.

J.

How does the word "personal" fit in the context of your silly claim of "personal malice". There is malice. There is no such thing as "personal malice".

There is no evil with God. Your context is solely your context. It has no place in realty.

 

[praise_yeshua]

What claims?

More than willing to go through this isolated verse line by line-since you neglect context.

J.

You're deflecting. "Isolated verse"....... Geesh. Jesus called a women in the context of the human race a "DOG".

By all means. Set the context for this "isolated verse".

 

[Johann]

I never said it was malice I said He attached them and made it personal , cutting the head off of the snake. He judged them , their religion , standing before God, their wicked hearts etc

You need to study and rightly cutting straight the word of YHVH-as usual, we are not talking TO each other, but PAST each other and the same goes for you-you are not Jesus. And stop adding to the Scriptures what is NOT there.


While it is true that Jesus strongly rebuked individuals, particularly religious leaders, for their hypocrisy, false teachings, and hardened hearts.

However, to say that Jesus made His confrontations "personal" in a vindictive or purely combative sense misunderstands His intent. While He did address their actions, motives, and spiritual condition directly, His purpose was always rooted in truth, justice, and love, not personal attack or malicious judgment.

Key Greek Words and Their Implications:
ὑποκριτής (hypokritēs) - "Hypocrite"

Jesus used this term to unmask the Pharisees and scribes, exposing their outward religiosity while their hearts remained corrupt (Matthew 23:13-28). This was not "personal" in the modern sense but a direct confrontation of their false representation of God.

κριτής (kritēs) vs. κατακρίνω (katakrinō) - "Judge" vs. "Condemn"

While Jesus pronounced judgment (κριτής) on actions and hearts, He did not condemn (κατακρίνω) them unjustly or with malice. For instance, John 8:15 emphasizes, “You judge (κρίνω) according to the flesh; I judge no one.” His judgments were righteous, always aligned with divine truth (John 5:30).

ἀνόητος (anoētos) - "Foolish"

In Luke 11:40, Jesus rebuked their lack of understanding with the word anoētos (“foolish”), addressing their spiritual blindness and failure to recognize the deeper truths of God. This was not an attack but a call to self-awareness and repentance.
ἐκβάλλω (ekballō) - "Cast out"

When Jesus drove out (ἐκβάλλω) the money changers in the temple (John 2:15), it symbolized His authority over God’s house, not a personal vendetta but a righteous act to restore holiness to the temple.

οὐαί (ouai) - "Woe"

The "woes" in Matthew 23:13-36 are declarative, not vindictive The term ouai expresses both judgment and lament over their spiritual state, showing Jesus’ sorrow for their rebellion rather than gloating over their downfall.

Jesus’ Approach to Judgment:

Purposeful Judgment: Jesus judged actions and spiritual conditions, such as their failure to honor God’s commands (Matthew 15:3). He declared truth and called for repentance, fulfilling His role as the righteous judge (John 5:22).

Compassion Over Condemnation: Even in His sternest rebukes, Jesus showed concern for their souls. His lament over Jerusalem (Matthew 23:37) reveals His heart to gather and save, even as He rebukes.

Universal Rebuke, Not Personal Attack: His rebukes applied to all who fell into the same errors, not individuals alone. For example, when He called Peter “Satan” (Matthew 16:23), He addressed Peter’s misunderstanding of divine purposes, not Peter as a person.

The Heart of the Matter:
While Jesus did rebuke and judge, He operated out of divine authority, truth, and love.

To interpret His actions as purely "cutting off the snake's head" risks oversimplifying His ministry and ignoring the balance of justice and mercy.

His mission was redemptive, even for those He rebuked, as shown in His prayer for forgiveness for those crucifying Him (Luke 23:34).

Gospel 101: I would much rather be lovingly corrected by my Father in heaven-through the Lord Jesus Christ and the guidance of the Holy Spirit-than to be rebuked by "spiritual elites" or cliques. We are all fallible (Romans 3:23), and only God's correction is perfect and righteous (Hebrews 12:6). His Word and Spirit provide the ultimate standard for truth and growth, reminding us that no human is above another in matters of faith (James 4:6; Galatians 3:28).

Enjoy your day.

J.

 

[civic]

You need to study and rightly cutting straight the word of YHVH-as usual, we are not talking TO each other, but PAST each other and the same goes for you-you are not Jesus. And stop adding to the Scriptures what is NOT there.


While it is true that Jesus strongly rebuked individuals, particularly religious leaders, for their hypocrisy, false teachings, and hardened hearts.

However, to say that Jesus made His confrontations "personal" in a vindictive or purely combative sense misunderstands His intent. While He did address their actions, motives, and spiritual condition directly, His purpose was always rooted in truth, justice, and love, not personal attack or malicious judgment.

Key Greek Words and Their Implications:
ὑποκριτής (hypokritēs) - "Hypocrite"

Jesus used this term to unmask the Pharisees and scribes, exposing their outward religiosity while their hearts remained corrupt (Matthew 23:13-28). This was not "personal" in the modern sense but a direct confrontation of their false representation of God.

κριτής (kritēs) vs. κατακρίνω (katakrinō) - "Judge" vs. "Condemn"

While Jesus pronounced judgment (κριτής) on actions and hearts, He did not condemn (κατακρίνω) them unjustly or with malice. For instance, John 8:15 emphasizes, “You judge (κρίνω) according to the flesh; I judge no one.” His judgments were righteous, always aligned with divine truth (John 5:30).

ἀνόητος (anoētos) - "Foolish"

In Luke 11:40, Jesus rebuked their lack of understanding with the word anoētos (“foolish”), addressing their spiritual blindness and failure to recognize the deeper truths of God. This was not an attack but a call to self-awareness and repentance.
ἐκβάλλω (ekballō) - "Cast out"

When Jesus drove out (ἐκβάλλω) the money changers in the temple (John 2:15), it symbolized His authority over God’s house, not a personal vendetta but a righteous act to restore holiness to the temple.

οὐαί (ouai) - "Woe"

The "woes" in Matthew 23:13-36 are declarative, not vindictive The term ouai expresses both judgment and lament over their spiritual state, showing Jesus’ sorrow for their rebellion rather than gloating over their downfall.

Jesus’ Approach to Judgment:

Purposeful Judgment: Jesus judged actions and spiritual conditions, such as their failure to honor God’s commands (Matthew 15:3). He declared truth and called for repentance, fulfilling His role as the righteous judge (John 5:22).

Compassion Over Condemnation: Even in His sternest rebukes, Jesus showed concern for their souls. His lament over Jerusalem (Matthew 23:37) reveals His heart to gather and save, even as He rebukes.

Universal Rebuke, Not Personal Attack: His rebukes applied to all who fell into the same errors, not individuals alone. For example, when He called Peter “Satan” (Matthew 16:23), He addressed Peter’s misunderstanding of divine purposes, not Peter as a person.

The Heart of the Matter:
While Jesus did rebuke and judge, He operated out of divine authority, truth, and love.

To interpret His actions as purely "cutting off the snake's head" risks oversimplifying His ministry and ignoring the balance of justice and mercy.

His mission was redemptive, even for those He rebuked, as shown in His prayer for forgiveness for those crucifying Him (Luke 23:34).

Gospel 101: I would much rather be lovingly corrected by my Father in heaven-through the Lord Jesus Christ and the guidance of the Holy Spirit-than to be rebuked by "spiritual elites" or cliques. We are all fallible (Romans 3:23), and only God's correction is perfect and righteous (Hebrews 12:6). His Word and Spirit provide the ultimate standard for truth and growth, reminding us that no human is above another in matters of faith (James 4:6; Galatians 3:28).

Enjoy your day.

J.

Is Satan a serpent in scripture?

I added nothing

 

[Johann]

How does the word "personal" fit in the context of your silly claim of "personal malice". There is malice. There is no such thing as "personal malice".

There is no evil with God. Your context is solely your context. It has no place in realty.

Don't deflect-read what I have posted-seems you and civic is under the impression we can "attack" other members online at will.

The one out of reality is you since you can't get rid of that beam in your eye. You need help.

J.

 

[civic]

M

You need to study and rightly cutting straight the word of YHVH-as usual, we are not talking TO each other, but PAST each other and the same goes for you-you are not Jesus. And stop adding to the Scriptures what is NOT there.


While it is true that Jesus strongly rebuked individuals, particularly religious leaders, for their hypocrisy, false teachings, and hardened hearts.

However, to say that Jesus made His confrontations "personal" in a vindictive or purely combative sense misunderstands His intent. While He did address their actions, motives, and spiritual condition directly, His purpose was always rooted in truth, justice, and love, not personal attack or malicious judgment.

Key Greek Words and Their Implications:
ὑποκριτής (hypokritēs) - "Hypocrite"

Jesus used this term to unmask the Pharisees and scribes, exposing their outward religiosity while their hearts remained corrupt (Matthew 23:13-28). This was not "personal" in the modern sense but a direct confrontation of their false representation of God.

κριτής (kritēs) vs. κατακρίνω (katakrinō) - "Judge" vs. "Condemn"

While Jesus pronounced judgment (κριτής) on actions and hearts, He did not condemn (κατακρίνω) them unjustly or with malice. For instance, John 8:15 emphasizes, “You judge (κρίνω) according to the flesh; I judge no one.” His judgments were righteous, always aligned with divine truth (John 5:30).

ἀνόητος (anoētos) - "Foolish"

In Luke 11:40, Jesus rebuked their lack of understanding with the word anoētos (“foolish”), addressing their spiritual blindness and failure to recognize the deeper truths of God. This was not an attack but a call to self-awareness and repentance.
ἐκβάλλω (ekballō) - "Cast out"

When Jesus drove out (ἐκβάλλω) the money changers in the temple (John 2:15), it symbolized His authority over God’s house, not a personal vendetta but a righteous act to restore holiness to the temple.

οὐαί (ouai) - "Woe"

The "woes" in Matthew 23:13-36 are declarative, not vindictive The term ouai expresses both judgment and lament over their spiritual state, showing Jesus’ sorrow for their rebellion rather than gloating over their downfall.

Jesus’ Approach to Judgment:

Purposeful Judgment: Jesus judged actions and spiritual conditions, such as their failure to honor God’s commands (Matthew 15:3). He declared truth and called for repentance, fulfilling His role as the righteous judge (John 5:22).

Compassion Over Condemnation: Even in His sternest rebukes, Jesus showed concern for their souls. His lament over Jerusalem (Matthew 23:37) reveals His heart to gather and save, even as He rebukes.

Universal Rebuke, Not Personal Attack: His rebukes applied to all who fell into the same errors, not individuals alone. For example, when He called Peter “Satan” (Matthew 16:23), He addressed Peter’s misunderstanding of divine purposes, not Peter as a person.

The Heart of the Matter:
While Jesus did rebuke and judge, He operated out of divine authority, truth, and love.

To interpret His actions as purely "cutting off the snake's head" risks oversimplifying His ministry and ignoring the balance of justice and mercy.

His mission was redemptive, even for those He rebuked, as shown in His prayer for forgiveness for those crucifying Him (Luke 23:34).

Gospel 101: I would much rather be lovingly corrected by my Father in heaven-through the Lord Jesus Christ and the guidance of the Holy Spirit-than to be rebuked by "spiritual elites" or cliques. We are all fallible (Romans 3:23), and only God's correction is perfect and righteous (Hebrews 12:6). His Word and Spirit provide the ultimate standard for truth and growth, reminding us that no human is above another in matters of faith (James 4:6; Galatians 3:28).

Enjoy your day.

J.

was Jesus “ lovingly “ rebuking them ? Yes or no

 

[Studyman]

You don't know God without Jesus.

I know this is what you and Kenneth Copeland preach, as well as Civic and "Many" others who "come in Christ's Name. But when a man reads the Holy Scriptures for themselves, as the bible instructs, this philosophy you are promoting is exposed as a Lie, a false teaching.. And I will prove it with Scriptures, but you will ignore them, and continue to promote the falsehood. This is because you are here on a mission to justify your specific religious sect, and the Philosophies it has created and are here to promote them, therefore, even after I show you what the Scriptures actually say, you will not be persuaded to repent and stop preaching this lie. I know this because this is the case of all this world's religious sects and businesses. They are not here to bring us to God, rather, they are here to turn us away from God, "In Christ's Name". So in the hope that there are others on this forum that have come to question this world's religious system, and the hypocrisy of its traditions and doctrines of men, here is the Word of God with exposes your religious statement.

Luke 1: 5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. 6 And they were both righteous "before God", walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

So it cannot be denied that this man knew God, before Jesus was even born.

67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

Why was he filled with the Spirit of Truth, the Holy Spirit? Peter tells us why for those seeking the Truth of God.

Acts 5: 30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. (Where is the cross you all worship as Holy?)




31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given "to them that obey him".

33 When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them.

So Zacharias, as it is written, obeyed God's Laws that you and Civic and Kenneth Copeland all preach is impossible to obey. And yet when I read scriptures, I find a different Truth, a Truth from God and not man.

And what did this man who "Knew God" before the virgin gave birth to the Prophesied Messiah, "know"?


68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, 69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us "in the house of his servant David"; 70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

But wait a minute. You just said, and Civic liked which means he is in agreement with you, that a man cannot Know God without Jesus. Here are your very words.

"You don't know God without Jesus."

But Zacharias knew Jesus before HE was even born, and believed in Him, and the Faith in God that was in Him before He was even born. So who should I believe? You and Kenneth Copeland and Civic, all of which have transformed themselves into Apostles of Christ, who preach to the world that a man cannot know God, unless they adopted your image of the Christ? Or should I listen to and believe in the Inspired Word of God? The reason why you are so bitter, resentful and hateful towards me, is because I listen to God and not this world's religious businesses that you have adopted, with their religious traditions and philosophies you are here to promote.

Is this the only Scriptural evidence confirming that if a man knows God, He will also know God's Son?

Luke 2: 25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him. 26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen "the Lord's Christ". 27 And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,

28 Then took he him up in his arms, "and blessed God", and said, 29 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word: 30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, 31 Which thou hast prepared before the face "of all people"; 32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

But wait a minute "Praise Yeshua", you just told me what a reprobate I am for not adopting your specific religious philosophy, "You don't know God without Jesus." And yet when I read what is actually written, I find that both of these men knew God, before Jesus was even born.

But maybe you will try and say Simeon didn't really know God, or His Prophesied High Priest, Jesus.

34 And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against; (As it is to this day) 35(Yea,"a sword shall pierce" through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.

Wow, how did Simeon know these things, even about the sword that would pierce Him, but the great theologians in the Temple, the great "doctors of the Law", the mainstream preachers who "professed to God", but by their disobedient works denied HIM, why didn't they know these things?

And how do I know these things, but you and Civic and Kenneth Copeland don't know these things?

Sadly, you all will just continue to direct your hatred towards me, and place me in your labels of Judgment, and continue with your mission to promote your religion, and no doubt you will refuse to answer my questions or even acknowledge the Scriptures posted.

Nevertheless, for those reading along, I hope you might consider the Scriptural difference between the mainstream preachers of that time, and those whose refuge was the Lord.

 

[Johann]

Is Satan a serpent in scripture?

I added nothing

What does this have to do with the topic of my post?! #674!!

J.

 

[civic]

You need to study and rightly cutting straight the word of YHVH-as usual, we are not talking TO each other, but PAST each other and the same goes for you-you are not Jesus. And stop adding to the Scriptures what is NOT there.


While it is true that Jesus strongly rebuked individuals, particularly religious leaders, for their hypocrisy, false teachings, and hardened hearts.

However, to say that Jesus made His confrontations "personal" in a vindictive or purely combative sense misunderstands His intent. While He did address their actions, motives, and spiritual condition directly, His purpose was always rooted in truth, justice, and love, not personal attack or malicious judgment.

Key Greek Words and Their Implications:
ὑποκριτής (hypokritēs) - "Hypocrite"

Jesus used this term to unmask the Pharisees and scribes, exposing their outward religiosity while their hearts remained corrupt (Matthew 23:13-28). This was not "personal" in the modern sense but a direct confrontation of their false representation of God.

κριτής (kritēs) vs. κατακρίνω (katakrinō) - "Judge" vs. "Condemn"

While Jesus pronounced judgment (κριτής) on actions and hearts, He did not condemn (κατακρίνω) them unjustly or with malice. For instance, John 8:15 emphasizes, “You judge (κρίνω) according to the flesh; I judge no one.” His judgments were righteous, always aligned with divine truth (John 5:30).

ἀνόητος (anoētos) - "Foolish"

In Luke 11:40, Jesus rebuked their lack of understanding with the word anoētos (“foolish”), addressing their spiritual blindness and failure to recognize the deeper truths of God. This was not an attack but a call to self-awareness and repentance.
ἐκβάλλω (ekballō) - "Cast out"

When Jesus drove out (ἐκβάλλω) the money changers in the temple (John 2:15), it symbolized His authority over God’s house, not a personal vendetta but a righteous act to restore holiness to the temple.

οὐαί (ouai) - "Woe"

The "woes" in Matthew 23:13-36 are declarative, not vindictive The term ouai expresses both judgment and lament over their spiritual state, showing Jesus’ sorrow for their rebellion rather than gloating over their downfall.

Jesus’ Approach to Judgment:

Purposeful Judgment: Jesus judged actions and spiritual conditions, such as their failure to honor God’s commands (Matthew 15:3). He declared truth and called for repentance, fulfilling His role as the righteous judge (John 5:22).

Compassion Over Condemnation: Even in His sternest rebukes, Jesus showed concern for their souls. His lament over Jerusalem (Matthew 23:37) reveals His heart to gather and save, even as He rebukes.

Universal Rebuke, Not Personal Attack: His rebukes applied to all who fell into the same errors, not individuals alone. For example, when He called Peter “Satan” (Matthew 16:23), He addressed Peter’s misunderstanding of divine purposes, not Peter as a person.

The Heart of the Matter:
While Jesus did rebuke and judge, He operated out of divine authority, truth, and love.

To interpret His actions as purely "cutting off the snake's head" risks oversimplifying His ministry and ignoring the balance of justice and mercy.

His mission was redemptive, even for those He rebuked, as shown in His prayer for forgiveness for those crucifying Him (Luke 23:34).

Gospel 101: I would much rather be lovingly corrected by my Father in heaven-through the Lord Jesus Christ and the guidance of the Holy Spirit-than to be rebuked by "spiritual elites" or cliques. We are all fallible (Romans 3:23), and only God's correction is perfect and righteous (Hebrews 12:6). His Word and Spirit provide the ultimate standard for truth and growth, reminding us that no human is above another in matters of faith (James 4:6; Galatians 3:28).

Enjoy your day.

J.

You added more words in this post with comments than there are scripture. So you are adding to scripture yourself

 

[Studyman]

You used the phrase "like you and Copeland" without any delineating distinctions. Jesus doesn't lie. He has never lied. You are different than Jesus.

So if I said "like you and Civic", you would tell everyone foolish enough to listen to you, that I called you Civic! OK PY, it's your story, you are free to say as you please.

Repeating a lie don't make it true. The evidence does show that pagans used the image. Like a good pagan you know how to steal and twist things in fabricate nonsense as being true. Satan does it all the time.

You can be more creative with your sarcasm. Please do. I do enjoy good sarcasm. I haven't seen any from you yet.

Who are you trying to deceive? I've been no different with you from the beginning. I grant hope to those are still alive. You're still alive. I see no hope for you unless you change. You are capable of changes but you don't even know HOW you need to change.

I tell you what. Tell me a single thing you would change about yourself. Just one. I'd love to know. It will help you as well.

Matt. 7: 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.