FOREGIVENESS is Eternal = Sin is Gone

[Behold]

Reader..

Often you find people on forums who have been badly taught, regarding the NT...
How do you spot them??
Just.. .like.....this.....
= To that person.. they believe that every verse in the bible is aimed right at them.
They do not understand that many verses are not pointed at the born again = as doctrine.

So, lets get you out of any type of wrong understanding regarding sin, forgiveness, and confession..., and also lets get you some spiritual KEYS regarding HOW to understand the NT.

Now...One of the easiest way to get this clarified regarding your bible study, is to find out if the VERSE was given to the JEWS, before Jesus was Crucified.
Just look for that, and that will show you many verses that are not FOR the Body of Christ, as DOCTRINE.
So, what we do is use the Cross to filter verses so that we can see if the verse is meant for the JEW before Jesus was Crucified, vs.. the Body of Christ who is now under a : = new Covenant that was created BY the Cross of Christ as the Blood Atonement.

So, we the Born again....always study verses IN LIGHT OF THE CROSS. and that will help us to not wrongly point a verse at ourselves as doctrine, that was only given to the House of Israel...before Christ was crucified.
And some verses in the NT are prophetic, and are talking about what is going to take place in the Trib and Grt Trib.
Some of later Matthew is all about that, and many Christians who are really bad bible students, try to point those verses at believers who are where we are now...= "in the TIME....of the GENTILES".

These people can't discern the bible, and so they dont understand that Christianity is Spiritual and the word of God is to be "rightly Divided" and "spiritually discerned".

So, a person who is in a cult, or has been taught all their Theology by a Heretic... .... these people are never taught what i just showed you.

And a new believer has the same issue, as They only know that "Jesus saved me"..
They have no "theology" yet, and that is the PRIME TIME For The Devil to grab them with Catholicism and Calvinism and Mormonism and JW, and all the other cults, as this untrained in the Doctrine of Paul baby Christian, has no way to KNOW who is lying, and who is sent by the Devil to them.

They think.. "Oh that person sounds like they know all about the bible", .. and this person only knows all about John Calvinsim, or the cutl of mary, and the new believer has no idea about that.. as they dont know any BIBLE YET.. So, they are HOOKED, and faith ruined.

So, to talk a bit now about why other people get so mislead regarding the Bible... And these are those who read it a lot, but are not church goers....
ts because they run in there, and find some verse that is aimed at OT Jews, or unbelievers, and they try to do it. They believe the verse is for them....And then the devil shows them more verses that just keep tying them into a confused theological mess.
Listen Reader.. the devil does not just temp you to enjoy some carnal behavior.
The Devil is a Theologian who will lead you into a CULT MIND....using the bible, as you read it.
See, the battlefield for your Christianity, is in your mind, and so that is where the Devil shows you things to confuse you, using the bible and other people who are deceived and they will deceive you.
That's the Devil's work, among others.

This is why God sends Teachers... Its so that they can keep you away from HERESY that will destroy your faith and your discipleship.

So, What a situation a believer have become who is just all tied up with bad theology...., that someone has to try to UNTIE< and that is always a difficult job because the person has PRIDE about their confusion..... and they want to FIGHT YOU, and DENY YOU, and REFUSE to listen.
Not that many can be recovered once they are "subverted within themselves"... And that means when their deception has become so locked down.. to the point that even simple truth about the Cross, is to them LIES LIES LIES, then most are unreachable.

They will tell you crazy theology that is just remarkably backwards, such as.. ."you have to be born again, before you can believe in Jesus".

See that? They can be that deceived, theologically....,and once they become that "subverted within themselves",.. .. they then hear TRUTH as LIES., and that is basically "too far gone".
This person is a : Luke 11:35.. and what you do with them, is Titus 3:10.
So the only hope for that one, is that they are born again, as that can't changed, yet, they can't be helped. (Theologically).

That's your Hyper Calvinist or Most Catholics and JW's., just to name a few.

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So, here is what we know,...
We know that you can't have sin and be "one with God" "in Christ".

All sin has to be resolved before you can exist in the KOG, as Born Again, as "In Christ and One with God".

You must have .. all of it forgiven....... to be joined to God, or otherwise He would be joining your sin.
That's not going to happen.. So, once you are ETERNALLY Forgiven, then God gives you the new birth, and you become a "new Creation IN CHRIST".... "Made Righteous"... . Forever.
And if the person can't understand that all their sin was dealt with by Christ who also took the LAW off of us so that the Law can't define us as a sinner or our carnality as sin, any more, ever again, then you find them chasing a couple of verses that they believe they have to obey to keep getting their sin re-forgiven... and that is why you find these "chronic confessors" who believe that Christianity is "sin, confess, repeat".

These people believe that "Christianity is sin, confess, and repeat"...

On this forum the worst 2 who teach that nonsense, are NetChaplin and Ronald Nolette.. .as that is their theology... but they are not the only two.. They are just the LOUDEST to SHOUT IT.

And they'll run to Romans 7, where Paul is beginning to teach about "that which i hate i do, and that which i want to do, i cant do"... and they dont read the rest of His teaching that is not just in that Chapter.... and if they did, or if their pastor or pope had read it, then they would not have been taught that Paul is teaching that you stay there as a : Hebrews 6:1.
See, Paul was teaching that when you try to be "right with God" by "performance" and by "lawkeeping" and you are born again, then you find a WAR happens inside you, in your emotions and your mind, and you become confused and unsettled, and that is the Spirit and the old man of the Flesh, in a battle inside you, and you can't make it stop...
So, that is why Paul teaches all about "not being under the law" and "being made free from sin, .. and "The old man is crucified with Christ"... as the rest of His teaching that these heretics never read and that their heretic POPE or Pastor, never understood.

The end of Paul teaching on this is....>"Christ always gives me the VICTORY".. over the flesh, the world, and the devil.

That is the END of the teaching that began as.. "that which i want to do, i can't do"...

These Heretics and their Heretic Pastors and Pope's never read the rest of Paul's Doctrine.. His Teaching..

What does that lead to if you are one of those ??? It leads to people who believe that they still have their sin, so they try to get rid of it...... over and over., and that becomes their entire lifetime.. That is all they can do.. That is their "Christianity".. and so they believe that is YOURS ALSO.
And they will teach you that nonsense on THIS FORUM and on every other one. And their church-cult teaches this same JUNK Theology.

Whereas..... a born again believer, who has been taught the very basics of REDEMPTION, and what it means to be "FORGIVEN".....

= They have actually read these 2 verses below and understand them, as does their Pastor and Teacher.

1.) "God hath Made JESUS....to be SIN.....for us"....

And...

2.) "Jesus is the ONE TIME...... ETERNAL Sacrifice for SIN"...


So, there goes your sin .... READER....if you are born again.

Jesus has become it ALL, as THE """one time ETERNAL sacrifice"" for it = ALL.

All gone.
Jesus has your sin, and the born again have been "made righteous".. They have become "THE righteousness of God, in Christ", forever.

Now the heretic and their Pastor will read those verses...... and because they are badly taught and because they dont understand the finished work of Jesus on the Cross, will try to twist the verses like this......

= "Well, only the sin you committed up until the day you were saved are forgiven". .. So, now you have to confess all the new ones"".

See that?
That is one of the most repeated heresies you'll run into on a Forum .

That is someone who does not understand the word """ETERNAL....."

So when they read...>"Jesus is the ONE TIME....ETERNAL..= Sacrifice for our sin">.. they then say...>>""""ummm, not quite,.. let me show you a verse over there that is talking to unbelievers about confessing sin".... is what they will do to try to deny that Jesus is our ONE TIME...= ETERNAL Sin Bearer..

And why is Jesus our ETERNAL SIN BEARER...??? ITS because= ""GOD HATH MADE Jesus to be SIN... for us"""".

Jesus took our lifetime of sin upon Himself and took it to the Grave, and Rose again from the Dead without it.
He does not have it now, and neither do the BORN AGAIN who are... "made free from sin"... who are a "new creation in Christ", who have become = "THE righteousness of GOD.... In Christ".

See, the born again are ""One with God".. "IN Christ'... "seated in Heavenly places",.. And there is no sin found there.

The born again are become..

"AS JESUS IS..... so are the born again, in THIS WORLD">..... and there is no sin found there.

 

[civic]

You are right in that many verses have specific applications to certain people in certain times and are not universal.

There are many things that Jesus said and taught the 12 that only apply to them, specific things He promised to them, not us. .

The same with the book of Acts with churches trying to recreate and duplicate those things in the flesh.

This is a great topic of discussion.

 

[Behold]

You are right in that many verses have specific applications to certain people in certain times and are not universal.

And the devil will try to keep you from that knowledge by accusing you of being a "dispensationalist".

See, when the devil typically wants to keep a believer out truth, he creates an idea about it that is taught as "if you believe that then you are one of those".
And that causes people who are easily deceived and those who are not to "pause" and that is when they get trapped OUT of Truth.

For example....

1.) If you read a KVJ or have ever seen one, then you are "KJV Only"... so, that teaching will keep people away from the KJV< as the devil wants.

Now, i didnt say that the KJV is the only bible........ So, dont let the devil work his magic in your head, Reader.
See what He does?
Just like that..

2.) OSAS.. This is another cult teaching, started by Jews, against Paul....., that 2000 yrs later became a Theolgical LIE to keep you from understanding that Eternal Life is eternal,, and you can't lose it.

What is Eternal Life? Its the Gift of Eternal life, its The Gift of Salvation.. Its Eternal Security".

"The gifts of GOD are without Repentance'.. = Never can they be lost, or taken back".

Salvation is a GIFT.. ."The Gift of Salvation".

3.) Paul teaches that we are to "rightly divide" the word of God. So, that means that we are to understand it has divisions.. It has many divisions..
And what are all these?
They are showing us HOW God deals with man, at different times, in different ways. = Genesis to The Revelation.

For example, when God was dealing with Adam, there was no Cross of Christ. and there was no Law of Moses.
There was no Cross Of Christ when God was giving Moses His Law.

Christ on the Cross is..."Christ is the END of the LAW....for righteousness, to everyone who Believes".

See how God is changing how He is dealing with man?

"rightly divide the word"....

Later, another division is to come..... after the "time of the gentiles is over", = the TRIB starts and God begins again to deal with the JEW and the people who "do not obey the Gospel"..
That is another "division" or "God is doing something different, AGAIN"

So, we "rightly divide the word".. as that is "discernment".

There are many things that Jesus said and taught the 12 that only apply to them, specific things He promised to them, not us. .

Absolutely.

And there are things that the Apostles had to learn, over the course of their life.
Not all of them had the same revelation, at the same time.
So, Jesus sent Paul to us all, to finish all that.

Remember that before Jesus ascended back to Heaven.... He told the 11... "i have many more things to say to you, but you cant deal with it, right now".

So, He goes back to heaven, and sends to us all.. THE Apostle Paul.. a "chosen Vessel", unlike all the rest.

REAL Church Doctrine, is.... "i have many more things to tell you, Jesus said", and Paul tells us those things.
This is why He wrote most of the Epistles and the Church Doctrine.
He is all those "things" that Jesus needed to tell us....

In comes Paul.

The same with the book of Acts with churches trying to recreate and duplicate those things in the flesh.

Yes.

That Book is the "Acts of the Apostles".. not the acts of the Christian.

Notice 2 Corinthians 12:12....... '"Signs of an Apostle".. = ACTS OF.... The Apostles.

= The Book of ACTS.....

This is a great topic of discussion.

I hope so.
Thanks for reading.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

FOREGIVENESS is Eternal = Sin is Gone​

So handle: 1 John 1:8-10.

 

[Doug Brents]

FOREGIVENESS is Eternal = Sin is Gone​

Also, please consider Matt 18:21-35. How does your statement stand in the face of this parable?

 

[Behold]

Also, please consider Matt 18:21-35. How does your statement stand in the face of this parable?

Lets consider that when Jesus is talking to the House of Israel, (before He is Crucified)... that we can't use this verse as doctrine for the Bride of Christ.

So, your parable is talking about an "unfaithful servant".

The born again are "Faith is counted as (Christ's) Righteousness".

Notice also..

The born again are a SON of God.. .whereas the parable is not talking about a Son.

Paul said you are "no more a servant but a SON".. if you are born again. Galatians 4:7

 

[Doug Brents]

Lets consider that when Jesus is talking to the House of Israel, (before He is Crucified)... that we can't use this verse as doctrine for the Bride of Christ.

So, your parable is talking about an "unfaithful servant".

Not my parable. It is a parable of Jesus.

The born again are "Faith is counted as (Christ's) Righteousness".

Notice also..

The born again are a SON of God.. .whereas the parable is not talking about a Son.

Paul said you are "no more a servant but a SON".. if you are born again. Galatians 4:7

But this does not take into account verse 35. "So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you [the Apostles], from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses." If they, and through them every NT believer, do not have a forgiving spirit the penalty of sin (the unpayable debt owed by the servant in the parable) will be reinstated. Yes, we are no longer servants, but have been adopted into the family of God, but that means that even more we should be like our Father in forgiving those who wrong Him. But if we are not, then we will not remain His.

 

[Behold]

Not my parable. It is a parable of Jesus.

Jesus didnt post it to me.

(check your hands for nail prints).. @Doug Brents

But this does not take into account verse 35. "So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you [the Apostles], from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses."

Paul has that answer.

See, under the Old Covenant, which is the parable you posted, we have this..

"forgive to be forgiven"........ "if you dont forgive, then """"


But in the NT, according to the NEW Covenant..

Paul teaches. """""and be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, FORGIVING one another, even as God for Christ’s sake = HATH forgiven you."

See that reason why?

The Born again forgive, not to be forgiven, as that is (Old Covenant) but the born again forgive under the New Covenant, BECAUSE they have already been forgiven.

So, from the status of "Hath BEEN forgiven" already, (born again) .... let us now forgive others.

 

[Doug Brents]

Jesus didnt post it to me.

(check your hands for nail prints).. @Doug Brents



Paul has that answer.

See, under the Old Covenant, which is the parable you posted, we have this..

"forgive to be forgiven"........ "if you dont forgive, then """"


But in the NT, according to the NEW Covenant..

Paul teaches. """""and be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, FORGIVING one another, even as God for Christ’s sake = HATH forgiven you."

See that reason why?

The Born again forgive, not to be forgiven, as that is (Old Covenant) but the born again forgive under the New Covenant, BECAUSE they have already been forgiven.

So, from the status of "Hath BEEN forgiven" already, (born again) .... let us now forgive others.

We love because we have been loved. We forgive because we have been forgiven. It has never been "forgive to be forgiven", even in the OT. But this is not an OT parable; Jesus was teaching the NT throughout His ministry, of which this parable is a part. Notice in the parable that the servant had been completely forgiven of a debt that was impossible to pay off. He was "saved". But when he failed to pass on that forgiveness to a fellow servant the whole of his debt was reinstated, and he was sent to torturers (HELL) until he should pay off the entire amount (an impossible task).

If we today do not forgive, if we do not continue to "walk in the Light", if we do not continually grow more and more like Jesus, we can and will lose our forgiveness and salvation, and end up in Hell.

 

[Behold]

It has never been "forgive to be forgiven",

Try a few different bible versions, @Doug Brents

(hope this helps).
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But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses (sin).
ASV
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses (sin).
AMP
But if you do not forgive others [nurturing your hurt and anger with the result that it interferes with your relationship with God], then your Father will not forgive your trespasses.
AMPC
But if you do not forgive others their trespasses [their reckless and willful sins, leaving them, letting them go, and giving up resentment], neither will your Father forgive you your trespasses.
BRG
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses (sin).
CSB
But if you don’t forgive others, your Father will not forgive your offenses.
CEB
But if you don’t forgive others, neither will your Father forgive your sins.
CJB
but if you do not forgive others their offenses, your heavenly Father will not forgive yours.
CEV
But if you don't forgive others, your Father will not forgive your sins.
DARBY
but if ye do not forgive men their offences, neither will your Father forgive your offences.
DLNT
But if you do not forgive people their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
DRA
But if you will not forgive men, neither will your Father forgive you your offences.
ERV
But if you don’t forgive others, then your Father in heaven will not forgive the wrongs you do.
EASY
But if you do not forgive other people, then your Father will not forgive you.’
EHV
But if you do not forgive people their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
ESV
but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
ESVUK
but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
EXB

 

[Doug Brents]

Try a few different bible versions, @Doug Brents

(hope this helps).
-
-
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses (sin).
ASV
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses (sin).
AMP
But if you do not forgive others [nurturing your hurt and anger with the result that it interferes with your relationship with God], then your Father will not forgive your trespasses.
AMPC
But if you do not forgive others their trespasses [their reckless and willful sins, leaving them, letting them go, and giving up resentment], neither will your Father forgive you your trespasses.
BRG
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses (sin).
CSB
But if you don’t forgive others, your Father will not forgive your offenses.
CEB
But if you don’t forgive others, neither will your Father forgive your sins.
CJB
but if you do not forgive others their offenses, your heavenly Father will not forgive yours.
CEV
But if you don't forgive others, your Father will not forgive your sins.
DARBY
but if ye do not forgive men their offences, neither will your Father forgive your offences.
DLNT
But if you do not forgive people their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
DRA
But if you will not forgive men, neither will your Father forgive you your offences.
ERV
But if you don’t forgive others, then your Father in heaven will not forgive the wrongs you do.
EASY
But if you do not forgive other people, then your Father will not forgive you.’
EHV
But if you do not forgive people their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
ESV
but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
ESVUK
but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
EXB

Read this in context of the parable as presented by Jesus. He says, you have already been forgiven, but if you do not forgive as you have already been, then you will have your debt reinstated, as the servant had his debt reinstated.

 

[Behold]

Read this in context of the parable as presented by Jesus. He says, you have already been forgiven, but if you do not forgive as you have already been, then you will have your debt reinstated, as the servant had his debt reinstated.

That parable is not PAUL'S Doctrine, for the "time of the Gentiles', "church"

"next".

 

[Doug Brents]

That parable is not PAUL'S Doctrine, for the "time of the Gentiles', "church"

Paul's Doctrine? Paul did not teach anything different than what Christ gave Him to teach, so it is Christ Jesus' doctrine. And this is Jesus' parable to the Apostles, and through them to us. There is only one Church: there is not a "Jewish Church" and a "Gentile Church". Both are one body, with one true doctrine, and one truth.

 

[Behold]

Paul's Doctrine?

yes, Its Paul's Doctrine.

Peter didnt have it until Paul gave it to all the apostles in Acts 15.

Let me show you..

Paul is the "apostle to the gentiles", and we are in the "time of the Gentiles".

Acts 2:38.... Peter is preaching., but He has not been given the "Gospel of the Grace of God" that Paul gave to the born again.
Paul calls this GOSPEL... "MY Gospel" 3x in the NT.

Peter didnt have it, until he met Paul.

If you read Acts 10, and that is about 10 yrs after Jesus is back in heaven......a DECADE... and Peter does not know that Gentiles could be saved.

After He met Paul, in Acts 15, then all the Apostles were on the same page, regarding the "Gospel" and other Doctrines.

Notice also that Paul told you.. "Christ sent me not to water Baptize".. .yet He told the others in Mark 16 to do it.

So, what have is Paul's Doctrine, that came from Jesus, and is for the "Gentiles", as its the Gentiles who are the Body of Christ, in "the time of the Gentiles".. .even tho, Jews can become Christians.
But the BRIDE that we find in the time of the Gentiles is related to the Apostle to the Gentiles.... and he has a specific Gospel and its not related to Water.
Its the Gospel of the GRACE... of God.

 

[Doug Brents]

yes, Its Paul's Doctrine.

Peter didnt have it until Paul gave it to all the apostles in Acts 15.

Let me show you..

Paul is the "apostle to the gentiles", and we are in the "time of the Gentiles".

Acts 2:38.... Peter is preaching., but He has not been given the "Gospel of the Grace of God" that Paul gave to the born again.
Paul calls this GOSPEL... "MY Gospel" 3x in the NT.

Peter didnt have it, until he met Paul.

And where do you think that Paul got "his Gospel"? From the same place that Peter got his: from the source of the ONE Gospel, Jesus Christ.

If you read Acts 10, and that is about 10 yrs after Jesus is back in heaven......a DECADE... and Peter does not know that Gentiles could be saved.

After He met Paul, in Acts 15, then all the Apostles were on the same page, regarding the "Gospel" and other Doctrines.

The Gentiles were not allowed to be saved in the NT until Peter was sent to them (Cornelius). Paul was not the first to convert a Gentile.

Notice also that Paul told you.. "Christ sent me not to water Baptize".. .yet He told the others in Mark 16 to do it.

Paul was sent to plant the Seed (the Gospel). He was not out to harvest a crop, although he was ready to reap any harvest that presented itself (Crispus, Gaius, and the household of Stephanas, and the Corinthian jailer, and many others). Paul was sent to sow the Seed. He knew that others would come to water that Seed, and they or others later would reap the harvest. But notice in 1 Cor 1 why Paul says he is glad that he did not baptize many: they were forming divisions in the Church based on who baptized them, and Paul didn't want his name on any of those divisions.

So, what have is Paul's Doctrine, that came from Jesus, and is for the "Gentiles", as its the Gentiles who are the Body of Christ, in "the time of the Gentiles".. .even tho, Jews can become Christians.
But the BRIDE that we find in the time of the Gentiles is related to the Apostle to the Gentiles.... and he has a specific Gospel and its not related to Water.
Its the Gospel of the GRACE... of God.

There is only ONE Gospel, for Jew and Gentile alike, and one path to salvation, and one body of Christ (Eph 4:4-6). "There is one body and one Spirit, just as you also were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all."

 

[Behold]

And where do you think that Paul got "his Gospel"? From the same place that Peter got his: from the source of the ONE Gospel, Jesus Christ.

JESUS said "Paul is a chosen vessel unto me".. and He Chose Paul (not peter) to be the "Apostles to the Gentiles".

Jesus chose Paul to deliver "Church Doctrine" to the Bride of Christ, and not Peter, and that is why Paul wrote most of the Epistles, and all the Church Doctrine.
And that is Why 2nd Peter said that Paul's LETTERS that Peter had, are "SCRIPTURE">, and thats a fact.

The Gentiles were not allowed to be saved in the NT

Just read Acts 10.
Peter had no idea that gentiles could be saved.
So, that means that He didnt know it in Acts 2, and that means what you dont know you can't preach or teach.

Paul was sent to plant the Seed (the Gospel).

Paul's Gospel is THE Gospel, in the Time of the Gentiles.
If you preach any other, or teach any other, you are this : Galatians 1:8

There is only ONE Gospel,

There is only one true Gospel, and Paul preaches it, as "the preaching of the Cross", as "The preaching of the Cross, is the POWER OF GOD>.. unto Salvation", and that is exactly related to : John 14:6.. where Jesus said "im the ONLY WAY to the Father" and that is Paul's Gospel of the Grace of God. as that single NARROW way. = The CROSS of CHRIST.

There are MANY more then just one., however that are taught and preached.

Here is one.. "water saves you" and that is the Catholic cult Bible, that says that in John 3.

Here is one.. "you must endure to the end".

So, there are many false Gosples that so called "christian" teach on Forums and from Pulpits.

Paul said that all these false gospels are CURSED = Galatians 1:8

 

[Doug Brents]

JESUS said "Paul is a chosen vessel unto me".. and He Chose Paul (not peter) to be the "Apostles to the Gentiles".

Jesus chose Paul to deliver "Church Doctrine" to the Bride of Christ, and not Peter, and that is why Paul wrote most of the Epistles, and all the Church Doctrine.
And that is Why 2nd Peter said that Paul's LETTERS that Peter had, are "SCRIPTURE">, and thats a fact.

No dispute in any of that. But it is not "Paul's doctrine", it is Jesus' doctrine that He gave to Paul. And it is the same doctrine that Peter and the other Apostles had, for there is only one Gospel, one Body.

Just read Acts 10.
Peter had no idea that gentiles could be saved.
So, that means that He didnt know it in Acts 2, and that means what you dont know you can't preach or teach.

That doesn't make the Gospel different. Jesus had directed the Apostles to only go to the Jews after His ascension, not even to the Samaritans. But later He allowed them to go to the Samaritans. And then He sent PETER to Cornelius (a Gentile) and to bring him and his family into the Church. By the time Paul began his ministry, there were many Gentiles in the Church. Yes, Paul was dedicated almost entirely to the Gentiles, but again, that does not make his Gospel any different from Peter's.

Paul's Gospel is THE Gospel, in the Time of the Gentiles.
If you preach any other, or teach any other, you are this : Galatians 1:8

And this is the same Gospel that Peter preached on Pentecost.

There is only one true Gospel, and Paul preaches it, as "the preaching of the Cross", as "The preaching of the Cross, is the POWER OF GOD>.. unto Salvation", and that is exactly related to : John 14:6.. where Jesus said "im the ONLY WAY to the Father" and that is Paul's Gospel of the Grace of God. as that single NARROW way.

There are MANY more then just one., however that are taught and preached.

Here is one.. "water saves you", that says that in John 3.

So Peter was teaching a false Gospel? (1 Pet 3:21)
And Jesus was teaching a false Gospel? (Mark 16:16, Matt 28:19)
And Paul was teaching a false Gospel? (Rom 6:1-7, Col 2:11-14)

Here is one.. "you must endure to the end".

So Jesus was teaching a false Gospel? (Matt 24:13-14)

So, there are many false Gosples that so called "christian" teach on Forums and from Pulpits.

Paul said that all these false gospels are CURSED = Galatians 1:8

Yes, there are many false Gospels that so called "christian" teach on Forums and from Pulpits. The worst of them is that one can sit in their seat, in their mind accept that the Gospel is true and they are instantly saved right where they are sitting. There is no such message in Scripture anywhere. That "gospel" is cursed, and leaves people right were Jesus said we would find them; with Jesus telling them at Judgement, "I never knew you; leave Me, you who practice lawlessness."

 

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No dispute in any of that. But it is not "Paul's doctrine",

Paul wrote 1 Tim 4:13. (KJV)

"Doctrine"..

Listen, let me show you a doctrine.

1.) "Gift's of the Spirit"........ 9 Spiritual Gifts.

Those are from Paul who taught them to the CHURCH......not Peter, not Jude not any other apostle.

Do you want to know how to choose a PASTOR for your church?

READ PAUL Epistles, as all of this comes from PAUL's Epistles (doctrine for the Church)

That doesn't make the Gospel different.

Paul said that "The Gospel of the Grace of God " is "My Gospel""..3X..... in the NT.

And as of Acts 15, it became Peter's.

, Paul was dedicated almost entirely to the Gentiles, but again, that does not make his Gospel any different from Peter's.

Paul never told anyone to get water baptized
Read His 13 Epistles, and then compare that to Acts 2.

Paul never told a Christian to "confess your sin"..
Paul never confessed a sin in 13 Epistles.

Paul rebuked Peter in Public, because "Peter walked not uprightly according to the TRUTH"..

Paul is the "apostle to the Gentiles", not any of the others., altho Titus and Timothy were also, as they were under Paul's anointing and Ministry.

And this is the same Gospel that Peter preached on Pentecost.

No its not.

So Peter was teaching a false Gospel? (1 Pet 3:21)

That is not any gospel at all.

That is a "Picture" or a "Like figure".. and its talking about water.

That symbolic... =""" figure or Picture."""

Let me show you another SYMBOLIC.

"water saved =Noah" "Noah was saved by water"

Ever read that one?

Yet it didnt.

See, that water was killing everything that was living..........on the outside of that ARK.
Had Noah gotten in that water, with his family, it would have KILLED THEM ALL..

So, that is "Saved by water"... "noah".

See it? That is SYMBOLIC>........as it was the ARK that kept them OUT OF THE WATER.
And what is that Ark?
Its not just a boat, its the symbol of the Cross, as in both cases, they keep us from being JUDGED.......once we go there.

And Jesus was teaching a false Gospel? (Mark 16:16,

Jesus said to " go and make Disciples."

Whereas, becoming a Christian, is to become a SON of God...

A disciple is a Follower........ or as Jesus told the Jews....>"if you keep my words, you are my Disciple, indeed".

But that is not a born again CHRISTian., who is a SON/Daughter of God.. .BORN .. Again.

And Paul was teaching a false Gospel? (Rom 6:1-7, Col 2:11-14)

Here is the Gospel.

A.) The Cross of Christ is why God will accept you, and your faith is Christ is the means of the Acceptance.

If you want study this out.. then go here.

Romans 3:21-28

Also, Colossians is talking about being "IN Christ'.. "In Him" and you have to be born again first to become that one.
And you become born again because you Gave God your FAITH in CHRIST and "faith is counted by God" and then He gives you the New Birth = Born again.

So Jesus was teaching a false Gospel? (Matt 24:13-14)

That is not related to the Cross of Christ.

Do you not realize this?

So, is anyone paying for your sin so the God can accept you, in Matt 24:13? = NO.

So, "without the shedding of Blood there is no Forgiveness".....

Do you see any blood of Jesus being shed on the Cross, in Matt 21:13?

Better Look again carefully, @Doug Brents

. The worst of them is that one can sit in their seat, in their mind accept that the Gospel is true

There is the "coming to the knowledge of the Truth" that is the "mind accepted" .. and then FAITH is the step of TRUST that a person takes whereby they TRUST in Christ vs, just understand the truth.

God SEES that Trust in your heart that is YOUR FAITH In Christ.. and at that exact moment He Gives this BELIEVER the "Gift of Salvation" = Born again.

 

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Paul wrote 1 Tim 4:13. (KJV)

"Doctrine"..

Listen, let me show you a doctrine.

1.) "Gift's of the Spirit"........ 9 Spiritual Gifts.

Those are from Paul who taught them to the CHURCH......not Peter, not Jude not any other apostle.

Do you want to know how to choose a PASTOR for your church?

READ PAUL Epistles, as all of this comes from PAUL's Epistles (doctrine for the Church)

And from whom did Paul learn about the Spiritual gifts? From God. And who else learned about Biblical doctrine from God? The other Apostles. You seem to be worshiping at the church of Paul.

I know exactly how to choose a pastor for a Church. The qualifications are written in 1 Timothy and Titus. These books were penned by Paul, but they were authored by the Holy Spirit, not Paul. These are not "Paul's epistles". They are God's Word.

Paul never told anyone to get water baptized
Read His 13 Epistles, and then compare that to Acts 2.

Sorry, but in Rom 61-7 and in Col 2:11-14, Paul does associate water baptism (the one baptism in the NT Church) with dying to sin, removal of our sins, resurrection of our soul, and union with Christ.

Paul never told a Christian to "confess your sin"..
Paul never confessed a sin in 13 Epistles.

Where do you get "confess your sins" from in this discussion? I certainly never associated it with salvation. I mentioned confession of Jesus as Lord, but not confession of sins. That is not associated with initial salvation anywhere in Scripture.

Paul rebuked Peter in Public, because "Peter walked not uprightly according to the TRUTH"..

Paul is the "apostle to the Gentiles", not any of the others., altho Titus and Timothy were also, as they were under Paul's anointing and Ministry.

So you are saying that Peter did not go and convert Cornelius?

Yes, Peter sinned in his hypocrisy toward the Gentiles when the Jews arrived, and Paul called him out on it. But that had nothing to do with his not having the correct Gospel. God taught the same Gospel to Peter as He taught to Paul.

No its not.

Sorry, you are deceived. Peter taught the same Gospel (the Gospel of Jesus Christ) on Pentecost and to Cornelius that Paul taught on Mars Hill and to the people in every city in which he planted a congregation of the Church.

That is not any gospel at all.

That is a "Picture" or a "Like figure".. and its talking about water.

That symbolic... =""" figure or Picture."""

What was the symbol and what was the "real" thing that the symbol represented in 1 Pet 3:21? Can you tell me that please?

Jesus said to " go and make Disciples."

Whereas, becoming a Christian, is to become a SON of God...

A disciple is a Follower........ or as Jesus told the Jews....>"if you keep my words, you are my Disciple, indeed".

But that is not a born again CHRISTian., who is a SON/Daughter of God.. .BORN .. Again.

Wow, I am amazed that you don't even know the simplest things.
The Apostles were brothers, disciples, followers, students, and servants of Jesus. They were all of those things at the same time. A person may start out as a servant, then become a follower (but he doesn't stop being a servant), then become a student (but he doesn't stop being a servant or follower), then become a brother (but he doesn't stop being a student, servant or follower). Jesus is greater than everyone except the Father, and so everyone, even though we are His brothers, are still his followers, and students (no one knows everything He taught perfectly yet), and servants.

Here is the Gospel.

A.) The Cross of Christ is why God will accept you, and your faith is Christ is the means of the Acceptance.

If you want study this out.. then go here.

Romans 3:21-28

Also, Colossians is talking about being "IN Christ'.. "In Him" and you have to be born again first to become that one.
And you become born again because you Gave God your FAITH in CHRIST and "faith is counted by God" and then He gives you the New Birth = Born again.

The question I have for you then is: How does one become born again? I can tell you, Rom 3:21-28 does not tell you everything that is required to do so. Nor does Colossians.

That is not related to the Cross of Christ.

It's not? You must not have read it clearly, so let's try it again, but lets back up to verse 9.
Matt 24:9-14 - "Then they will hand you over to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. 10 And at that time many will fall away, and they will betray one another and hate one another. 11 And many false prophets will rise up and mislead many people. 12 And because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will become cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end is the one who will be saved. 14 This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come."
Jesus is linking what He just said (the underlined above) to the Gospel. This is part of the ONE Gospel.

Do you not realize this?

So, is anyone paying for your sin so the God can accept you, in Matt 24:13? = NO.

So, "without the shedding of Blood there is no Forgiveness".....

Do you see any blood of Jesus being shed on the Cross, in Matt 21:13?

Better Look again carefully, @Doug Brents

Is the blood of Jesus MENTIONED in Matt 24:13? No. But since it is the ONLY thing that can make us pure and reunite us with Jesus, it must be there doing the saving that is mentioned in that verse. But also, notice that "endurance to the end" is required to lay hold on salvation. It is not given once and then forever held regardless of what the receiver does for the rest of his life. If one does not endure in Christ until the end of life, salvation will not remain his.

There is the "coming to the knowledge of the Truth" that is the "mind accepted" .. and then FAITH is the step of TRUST that a person takes whereby they TRUST in Christ vs, just understand the truth.

God SEES that Trust in your heart that is YOUR FAITH In Christ.. and at that exact moment He Gives this BELIEVER the "Gift of Salvation" = Born again.

Look at all of the stories of supernatural blessing from God on people in the OT. There is not a single case where the receiver was not required to do something to receive the blessing. Yes, God can see the heart, but He also demands physical action that proves/demonstrates/perfects our faith. And He gives His blessing of salvation based on perfected/completed/demonstrated faith, not based on the "mind accepted" truth of the Gospel.

 

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There is not a single case where the receiver was not required to do something to receive the blessing.

Salvation is Jesus on The Cross.

You can't "Do that".. @Doug Brents