False claims of "Ad Hominem" attacks directed at others.

[praise_yeshua]

@JoshebB

We all shall stand before the Judgement seat of Christ to give an account of things done in our bodies whether they be good or BAD.

2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.

Most people have no idea what an "Ad Hominem" actually entails. The charge of "Ad Hominem" requires that I ignore a retort and solely focus a judgement I have of an individual. I never do this.

One of the silliest inventions of the delusional minds of men is the attempt to EXCLUDE THEMSELVES from any and all arguments made against them. I attack responses AND the people who hold them. That is what faithful men have done throughout history.

For example. Jesus Christ didn't exclude naming exactly who was guilty of the words He spoke.

Mat 23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
Mat 23:30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
Mat 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
Mat 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
Mat 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

It would "seem" (what I have to substitute to have a post remain intact. Which requires me to compromise my own beliefs) that Jesus didn't mind charging exclusive groups of men with damnation.

"Some" (not you) would edit the words of Jesus. Which is what some recently have in common when referencing absolutes. If you can't change facts, then just insert your own. Truth is an absolute defense against ANYTHING.

I could go on and on for days with similar examples.

Thusly, use your own judgement against me and pretend you didn't judge me. Go for it.

 

[Studyman]

@JoshebB


Most people have no idea what an "Ad Hominem" actually entails. The charge of "Ad Hominem" requires that I ignore a retort and solely focus a judgement I have of an individual. I never do this.

One of the silliest inventions of the delusional minds of men is the attempt to EXCLUDE THEMSELVES from any and all arguments made against them.

Like you just did

LOL, You can't make this stuff up.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Like you just did

LOL, You can't make this stuff up.

Do you notice the paragraph in-between those statements. I never use "Ad Hominem" attacks.

The second statement is focused upon those who craft the false charges against me.

You do have a comprehension problem. You just provided the proof. I do agree with your statement. Specifically, "You can't make this stuff up". You just need to look in the mirror.

 

[Studyman]

Do you notice the paragraph in-between those statements. I never use "Ad Hominem" attacks.

Ad Hominem

an attack directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining:

EXAM. "You don't love Jesus", "Your woman is a hooker", "you can't please God", "you are a Liar" "you have a comprehension problem" etc.

Why would a person who exhibits these same unsavory traits, continually project them onto to others, but refuses to recognize the same unsavory traits in themselves?

It's a phycological defense mechanism called "Projection".

Projection is the term most commonly used to describe defensive projection—attributing one’s own unacceptable and unsavory traits onto another.

Narcissists who have an inflated sense of self-importance and often struggle with empathy will frequently use projection to maintain their self-image by projecting their own negative traits, insecurities, and vulnerabilities onto others.

Both projection and narcissistic projection involve attributing one’s own unsavory thoughts, feelings, or traits to others; however, when narcissistic projection is combined with the grandiosity, superiority, entitlement, hostility, and a lack of empathy often characteristic of narcissistic individuals, this defense mechanism leads to problematic and potentially dangerous outcomes.

The first step in dealing with this condition is to recognize the problem. There are treatments available and many people who are afflicted with this can turn themselves around with some honest self-reflection and conscious change of habit.

I believe God can help with this if a person would ask Him.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Ad Hominem

an attack directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining:

EXAM. "You don't love Jesus", "Your woman is a hooker", "you can't please God", "you are a Liar" "you have a comprehension problem" etc.

I never said those words without explain why I said them. BTW. I didn't say "your woman is a hooker". I tell liars they're lying and describe how they are lying. You don't love Jesus when you deny WHO He is. YOU are guilty.

How about "you're an unbeliever"? If you're going to apply the standard you just used then YOU are guilty of the same things you claim of me.

Why would a person who exhibits these same unsavory traits, continually project them onto to others, but refuses to recognize the same unsavory traits in themselves?

It's a phycological defense mechanism called "Projection".

Projection is the term most commonly used to describe defensive projection—attributing one’s own unacceptable and unsavory traits onto another.

Narcissists who have an inflated sense of self-importance and often struggle with empathy will frequently use projection to maintain their self-image by projecting their own negative traits, insecurities, and vulnerabilities onto others.

Both projection and narcissistic projection involve attributing one’s own unsavory thoughts, feelings, or traits to others; however, when narcissistic projection is combined with the grandiosity, superiority, entitlement, hostility, and a lack of empathy often characteristic of narcissistic individuals, this defense mechanism leads to problematic and potentially dangerous outcomes.

The first step in dealing with this condition is to recognize the problem. There are treatments available and many people who are afflicted with this can turn themselves around with some honest self-reflection and conscious change of habit.

I believe God can help with this if a person would ask Him.

Why are you doing the same thing?

The charge of a "Ad Hominem" requires solely attacking the individual without establishing why. It is not the absence of an attack. We all attack what others believe. We are what we believe. When you attack my faith, you attack me. When I attack your faith, I attack YOU.

 

[Studyman]

I never said those words without explain why I said them. BTW. I didn't say "your woman is a hooker". I tell liars they're laying and describe how they are lying. You don't love Jesus when you deny WHO He is. YOU are guilty.

How about "you're an unbeliever"? If you're going to apply the standard you just used then YOU are guilty of the same things you claim of me.



Why are you doing the same thing?

The charge of a "Ad Hominem" requires solely attacking the individual without establishing why. It is not the absence of an attack. We all attack what others believe. We are what we believe. When you attack my faith, you attack me. When I attack your faith, I attack YOU.

It's OK PY. Ego and pride are truly difficult traits to rule over. I get how important it is for you to justify your every word.

I will pray for you.

 

[praise_yeshua]

It's OK PY. Ego and pride are truly difficult traits to rule over. I get how important it is for you to justify your every word.

I will pray for you.

Pots and kettles. I've tried to get you to see your own. We all have some sense of ego. It is why I don't promote myself or other men equal with Christ. I praise Jesus Christ for being greater than I am. I wait for Him to change this vile body I have to be just like His glorious body.

Php 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

 

[JoshebB]

@JoshebB


Thusly, use your own judgement against me and pretend you didn't judge me. Go for it.

How about I abide by the tou and NOT do that?

 

[praise_yeshua]

How about I abide by the tou and NOT do that?

I've never tried to stop you. Just arguing the point.

 

[Studyman]

Pots and kettles. I've tried to get you to see your own.

Luke 6:41 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 42 Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, "and then" shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.

It may sound all humble and churchy to admit or confess the beam in one's own eye. But the Jesus "of the Bible" doesn't tell you to just admit you have a beam and then judge everyone else. The Jesus "of the Bible" instructs us to behold the Beam, and then cast it out. It's not enough to "say" you have a beam. It's the actual "BEAM" that causes men not to see clearly. In this exchange, Jesus clearly expects men to identify the sins in our hearts, then cast them out. (Let him that stole, steal no more, etc., "now go and Sin no more", etc.)

There are "many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord, who believe and preach to others that Paul's Words below describes all men.

Rom. 3: 10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. 13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: 14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: 15 Their feet are swift to shed blood: 16 Destruction and misery are in their ways: 17 And the way of peace have they not known: 18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

They have been taught by this world's religious sects that this describes the Body of Christ as well, and that admitting this behavior gives you the power to judge others, and, as you declare, you are now free to "Drag others down to your level" as described above, and you preach to the world all men are on this level with you.

I know through study that Paul was not describing the members of God's Church here in Romans 3:10-18, neither was David, who Paul quoted (Ps. 5, and 14). He was describing again, what he "proved before" about religious men, who professed to know God, but by works deny Him, who slandered him with no cause, and persecuted the Church of God "Whose damnation is just".

You are free to live as Paul describes above and judge all others who don't follow this path you have adopted for yourself if you like. But I would implore you to study Romans 3, Ps. 14, and Ps. 5 apart from what you learned in Sunday school and discover for yourself who both Paul and David were speaking about.

"THEN" you may be able to see clearly enough to show others the deceptions they harbor in their hearts.

We all have some sense of ego.

Ego can only survive if you feed it.

It is why I don't promote myself or other men equal with Christ. I praise Jesus Christ for being greater than I am.

So does Kenneth Copeland. So does the Pope. So does every member of every religious sect on the planet who call Jesus Lord, Lord. I think a man who claims to know Jesus, should be a "Doer" of His Sayings, and honor Him with more than just their lips. I believe this way because the Jesus of the Bible teaches this way.

I wait for Him to change this vile body I have to be just like His glorious body.

Yes, everyone who calls Jesus Lord, Lord, is waiting for Him to change their corruptible body into an un-corruptible body.

2 Pet. 3: 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 14 Wherefore, (Because of this) beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent "that ye may be found of him" in peace, without spot, and blameless.

Php 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Me too PY. We have the road map, the Spiritual race is set before us, and the Instructions of the Christ "of the Bible" have been given. Now if we can just believe Him enough to deny ourselves and become a "doer" of His Sayings, AKA, "have Faith", we shall endure to the end.

Phil. 3: 12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. 13 Brethren, "I count not myself" to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, 14 I press toward the mark "for the prize" of the high calling "of God" (Which is) in Christ Jesus. 15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

2 Cor. 5: 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that "every one" may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

 

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For example. Jesus Christ didn't exclude naming exactly who was guilty

Mat 23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets

thats so true...thank you so much for this...
for since even those olden days satan has conspired to murder us and Christ and bully us
..not new to forums.

Mat 23:30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.

Christ distinguishes us from esau here...

Mat 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

yes... of evil adam and his esaus.

Php 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

yes it is a vile body
and not made by God.