The inadequacy of the law of Moses

[Studyman]

As typical of those who hold your position. You refuse to actually deal with the words of the writer of Hebrews. The writer is not appealing solely to the words found in Jeremiah 31. He is extending the revelation of Jeremiah to include the work of Christ in fulfillment.

It would be the simplest form of common courtesy to answer questions posted to you, in a discussion about a thread you started. Hebrews 7-10 speaks directly to and from the Law and Prophets, and the Sacrificial Laws commanded therein.

I asked a question regarding what covenant the Hebrews Author was speaking to. It seemed an appropriate question for this discussion.

Jer. 7: 22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: 23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.

If you are uncomfortable discussing what covenant Hebrews was speaking to, I understand.

Funny.... It is so difficult to get people to recognize that the very words they quote are the very words that condemn them.
You don't keep the law now. You can't. Your priestly order is gone. Your temple was destroyed. You've intermixed and played the whore among Gentiles to the point that you have no rights to claim a bloodline to Abraham. You're just a gentiles like the rest of the world. There is only One single heir to Abraham. That is Jesus Christ.

While it is true you seem zealous for this religious philosophy you have adopted and are now promoting, it still seems prudent for men to place their trust in the scriptures, especially after the warnings of the Christ "of the Bible" regarding men "who come in His Name, or those who "Call Him Lord, Lord".

I mean seriously... You appeal to a law written on your heart as if you're actually keeping that law.

First of all, you are the one making this personal, not me. I just posted what God actually said which exposed the popular religious philosophy you have adopted and are now promoting, that "God's Law disappeared". Writing them on the hearts of men, would preserve them, not abolish them. Something was made obsolete. But according to scriptures, it wasn't God's Law. It was a covenant God made "because" Israel broke the one HE gave them in Ex. 19.

You even detail what you believe is the reason for the disannually of the covenant as breaking the law..... and don't even realize if what you believe is true....

I am simply choosing to believe what is written, as opposed to adopting the religious philosophies and doctrines promoted by this world's religious businesses and sects.

According to the God who inspired both Jeremiah and the Hebrews author, God's Law, and God's forgiveness for unintentional breaking of God's Law didn't disappear. The manner in which God's Law is preserved, and the manner in which Forgiveness is provided for, "Changed", but neither the Law of God, not His Forgiveness "Disappeared". At least according to Scriptures as you can see if you want to.

Then you're doing the exact same thing. Your circumcision has become uncircumcision. You don't understand the words your quoting.

One of us don't.

Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

Yes, "For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision (Jew) availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision (Gentile), but a new creature.

And again;

Eph. 4: 22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; 23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; 24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

The Jesus "of the Bible" said the same thing. "Be ye perfect, even as your father in heaven is perfect".

This is the same Gospel of Christ, given by the Same Christ before HE became a man.

Ez. 18: 31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Your unbelief in these Words do not make them of none effect, in my view.

 

[praise_yeshua]

It would be the simplest form of common courtesy to answer questions posted to you, in a discussion about a thread you started. Hebrews 7-10 speaks directly to and from the Law and Prophets, and the Sacrificial Laws commanded therein.

I asked a question regarding what covenant the Hebrews Author was speaking to. It seemed an appropriate question for this discussion.

Jer. 7: 22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: 23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.

If you are uncomfortable discussing what covenant Hebrews was speaking to, I understand.

There is ZERO question as to what covenant that I'm referencing. Your question makes no sense whatsoever. Read the verse AGAIN. It contains Made the "first" old. The verse speaks for itself.

While it is true you seem zealous for this religious philosophy you have adopted and are now promoting, it still seems prudent for men to place their trust in the scriptures, especially after the warnings of the Christ "of the Bible" regarding men "who come in His Name, or those who "Call Him Lord, Lord".

It is not religious philosophy. You're attempting to "poison the well".

First of all, you are the one making this personal, not me. I just posted what God actually said which exposed the popular religious philosophy you have adopted and are now promoting, that "God's Law disappeared". Writing them on the hearts of men, would preserve them, not abolish them. Something was made obsolete. But according to scriptures, it wasn't God's Law. It was a covenant God made "because" Israel broke the one HE gave them in Ex. 19.

I just referenced your history. I know that history because I studied the Scriptures. They speak of your ancestors. God gave such to us that we might not repeat your ancestors failures. My ancestors are no better. The issue is with your view of your ancestors. Mine are dirty rotten scoundrel's with just a few "faithful". One of them was a non-conformist. Robert Whitaker from Hampshire. Not that I put much "stock" in such things. What men gain they soon lose. We are ALL the same. You're no better than anyone else. Your issue. Not mine. It hurts people to recognize their failures. You need to do this. It will help you. It will require humility. There is no humility in the law of Moses for those like you. All you do is "slip" every decade or so... Right?

I am simply choosing to believe what is written, as opposed to adopting the religious philosophies and doctrines promoted by this world's religious businesses and sects.

No you're not. You received vain traditions from your fathers. Jesus spoke these. I did too from my ancestors.

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

I'm complete in HIM. I don't need the law of Moses to complete me. I never had it to start with. My ancestors didn't dance naked around a golden calf while Moses was talking to God. Sure, my ancestors did similarly but that was pretty bad wasn't it? Your ancestors said "all that God commands us.... WE WILL DO.... Yeah. Like that worked for your ancestors... Right?

Joshua 1:16 And they answered Joshua, saying, All that thou commandest us we will do, and whithersoever thou sendest us, we will go.

Jesus contrasted such nonsense against....

Luk 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

You need to humbly acknowledge that you continually sin. We know you do. The Scriptures say YOU DO. I don't see humility in any of your responses. Zero.

According to the God who inspired both Jeremiah and the Hebrews author, God's Law, and God's forgiveness for unintentional breaking of God's Law didn't disappear. The manner in which God's Law is preserved, and the manner in which Forgiveness is provided for, "Changed", but neither the Law of God, not His Forgiveness "Disappeared". At least according to Scriptures as you can see if you want to.

There was never forgiveness for sin under the law of Moses. Never.

Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

You don't believe what the book of Hebrews says.

Eph. 4: 22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; 23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; 24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Like I'm not doing this. What you fail to recognize is the very real fact that this is a continual process. I have to do this daily. I have to do this over and over again because I fail. You do too. You're the one failing to recognize this.

There is a reason that Paul demanded that the church of God be tenderhearted. He demanded that we FORGIVE ONE ANOTHER....

You know why????? BECAUSE WE CONTINUALLY SIN. It is Grace that is our refuge. Not the law.

Eph 4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
Eph 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Now I know you're going to say that "I'm bitter". However, I'm not. You are actually the one refusing to be kind and tenderhearted to my inability to cease from sin. You're too good to recognize that right?

The Jesus "of the Bible" said the same thing. "Be ye perfect, even as your father in heaven is perfect".

Sure He did. He gave you an unattainable goal. You know why... Because if you could actually obtain that goal....

You would be just like you are now. Congratulations. You're arrived. You're perfect. Just like the Father. Bravo. Bravo....

 

[Jamie Russell CME]

This back and forth is very interesting. Only non triggered, honest dialogue will do any good.

i agree with reading this as Soyeong and Studyman.

"my covenant they brake"